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Messenger Plus! - Let's focus on another Sacred Cow for a while
"Patchou" wrote in message
om And Sandy, Its Sandi thanks Patchou. why don't you stop updating your article to post your answers and start posting them in your own newsgroup thread? It isn't *my* newsgroup thread. I didn't start it, and the only post I have made to it apart from this one is a request for more information about supposed 'technical inaccuracy' which I see has gone unanswered. I have provided an email address for correspondence if you choose to use it. -- Hyperlinks are used to ensure advice remains current _______________________________________ Sandi - Microsoft MVP since 1999 (IE/OE) http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/ |
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Well well, what a discussion. A discussion that I would never expect
to see. It's another fact that people don't check the sources and just copy (or should I say "quote") people directly. I've been using Messenger Plus! now for a long time. Yes, in the beginning I was a click-o-matic as well, which means I just clicked the 'Next' button as soon as possible. And yes, I screwed up my PC as well with Adaware trying to remove the C2Media software. I blamed Patchou (sorry ;-)) aswell for this. Although, you shouldn't blame Patchou, you should blame yourself. He gives you lots of new features for MSN and the only thing you have to do is read the Sponsor agreement. You like it? Install the software and everyone is happy! You don't? Don't install the software and everyone is happy aswell! As an owner of a MSN website I can tell you that there will never be another (free?) addon for MSN Messenger that will be this popular as Messenger Plus! is. Some people are trying/try it (MessengerDiscovery? Messenger:Mate which is not free) but they will never get the same respect as that Patchou has build in the last past years. Alexander, webmaster of Scito.nl |
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Messenger Plus! - Let's focus on another Sacred Cow for a while
Sandi,
I just took a new look at your page and I see that you're continuing to update your "article" with single line quotes taken from 2 page posts and false information given to you by someone who has no clue of what he's talking about. You even put a big "oh BOY" next to your assumption, how nice is that. Hey, I have an idea, why do you wait for people to give you something to quote if you don't care about the facts behind it? I guess it would be quicker to just go one step above and manufacture everything from A to Z by saying that the information you're posting has not been confirmed or corroborated.. oh wait, you already do that in your most recent updates, congratulations! Sandi, you're despicable and go ahead, quote me on that if you wish. Once again, I encourage anyone who would read her site to wonder how she gets all these formidable conclusions and why she just continue to post updates on her own web site instead of replying to a newsgroup such as this one. I won't lower myself to your level by continuing to reply to your web updates, anyone who read these posts and your site with an open mind will quickly realise what a fraud you are. While I'm at it, I'd like to point out something about the Google Toolbar that you so fiercely defend in your recent update: instead of testing their installer, why not testing the installer of their clients? Take a look at the setup of DivX and have fun making comparisons with my own. I've been insulted many times since I added C2Media's package in my software but your way of giving "information" is just way out of line. I'm not posting these messages to defend my software but to make other readers realise how easy and disgusting it is to make this kind of page. I can only wish Microsoft would take a look at this and remove you from the MVP program, you're a disgrace to all of us. To all: don't be fooled with editorials such as Sandi's and always ask yourself if the reason behind the author is really to be a hero of justice or just try to increase his/her own "popularity". Any of you could write the exactsame page about any other software, Sandi being an MVP doesn't make her different than all of you. Patchou "PA Bear" wrote in message ... Enough about the 'End of Free Hotmail' already. Let's dissect Messenger Plus! now... Sandi's take on Messenger Plus! http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/messenger_plus.htm Ready, steady, GO! -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE), AH-VSOP WinXP SP2: What's New for Internet Explorer and Outlook Express http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...eoverview.mspx What You Should Know About Spyware http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...ssoftware.mspx "There is no 'silver bullet' solution." http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=33131 |
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Information about Patchou's alleged income that was posted to this newsgroup
has already been removed from my web page, together with the bold font warning that it could not be corroborated. My first thinking was that the information is in the public domain anyway and available via Google, which gets far more hits than my page, but it wasn't right to put it in there, hence the removal. I went past simply reporting on MP and the Sponsor Programme. For that I apologise. -- Hyperlinks are used to ensure advice remains current _______________________________________ Sandi - Microsoft MVP since 1999 (IE/OE) http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/ "Patchou" wrote in message om Sandi, I just took a new look at your page and I see that you're continuing to update your "article" with single line quotes taken from 2 page posts and false information given to you by someone who has no clue of what he's talking about. You even put a big "oh BOY" next to your assumption, how nice is that. Hey, I have an idea, why do you wait for people to give you something to quote if you don't care about the facts behind it? I guess it would be quicker to just go one step above and manufacture everything from A to Z by saying that the information you're posting has not been confirmed or corroborated.. oh wait, you already do that in your most recent updates, congratulations! Sandi, you're despicable and go ahead, quote me on that if you wish. Once again, I encourage anyone who would read her site to wonder how she gets all these formidable conclusions and why she just continue to post updates on her own web site instead of replying to a newsgroup such as this one. I won't lower myself to your level by continuing to reply to your web updates, anyone who read these posts and your site with an open mind will quickly realise what a fraud you are. While I'm at it, I'd like to point out something about the Google Toolbar that you so fiercely defend in your recent update: instead of testing their installer, why not testing the installer of their clients? Take a look at the setup of DivX and have fun making comparisons with my own. I've been insulted many times since I added C2Media's package in my software but your way of giving "information" is just way out of line. I'm not posting these messages to defend my software but to make other readers realise how easy and disgusting it is to make this kind of page. I can only wish Microsoft would take a look at this and remove you from the MVP program, you're a disgrace to all of us. To all: don't be fooled with editorials such as Sandi's and always ask yourself if the reason behind the author is really to be a hero of justice or just try to increase his/her own "popularity". Any of you could write the exactsame page about any other software, Sandi being an MVP doesn't make her different than all of you. Patchou "PA Bear" wrote in message ... Enough about the 'End of Free Hotmail' already. Let's dissect Messenger Plus! now... Sandi's take on Messenger Plus! http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/messenger_plus.htm Ready, steady, GO! -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE), AH-VSOP WinXP SP2: What's New for Internet Explorer and Outlook Express http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...eoverview.mspx What You Should Know About Spyware http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...ssoftware.mspx "There is no 'silver bullet' solution." http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=33131 |
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"Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in message ... Information about Patchou's alleged income that was posted to this newsgroup has already been removed from my web page I see you're at it again Sandi. Update of 15th October. ========== A person by the name of P, Cyril - (***the email address has been changed to protect P. Cyril from spam and flamemail***) is, at the date of writing this segment (15 October 2004), the name behind www.msgplus.net ========== Now while this is all well and good, during your synopsis you repost the edited email address and then on the same line you inform people what to replce your edited portion with in order to make it a valid address. Slightly hypocrytical, wouldn't you say? ========== Synopsis: Secure Software, Inc = Cyril Paciullo/Paciullo Cyril, Alex Shamash and Jason Lucas www.msgplus net = P, Cyril - edited address - replace popularemailprovider.com with ************** [removed actual provider with FAR too many stars]) ========== Another thing, you keep going on about the useage statistics that MsgPlus sends back to Patchou like it's a crime to see what features are being used the most, so that he knows what to focus on for future releases. I'm sure I've seen similar tick boxes on Messenger itself, as well as Windows Media Player. It's ok for M$ to request stats on users habits, but when Patchou request similar kinds of info (more than likely, it's less intrusive than what WMP or MSN requests), it's not allowed? Also, the option for user data for MSN and WMP is ON by default. I know this as I've just done a system rebuild with XP and I had to turn these 'useage data' tick boxes off myself after installing both Messenger (MSN and Windows versions) and WMP10. Oops, another point of your argument against MsgPlus out the window. For crying out loud, grow up, download version 3.25 and see for yourself what Patchou has done to try to keep the SIX MILLION people that use his software add-on happy. Regards, Brian! |
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Messenger Plus! - Let's focus on another Sacred Cow for a whil
The MSN Messenger "Usage data" option was *not* turned on by default when I
installed messenger on my machine. On one hand you say, "I'm sure I've seen similar tick boxes on Messenger itself" (you don't sound too certain there) then in the next breath you say, "I know this as I've just done a system rebuild with XP and I had to turn these 'useage data' tick boxes off myself after installing both Messenger (MSN and Windows versions)" Um so which is it?? "Brian!" wrote: "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in message ... Information about Patchou's alleged income that was posted to this newsgroup has already been removed from my web page I see you're at it again Sandi. Update of 15th October. ========== A person by the name of P, Cyril - (***the email address has been changed to protect P. Cyril from spam and flamemail***) is, at the date of writing this segment (15 October 2004), the name behind www.msgplus.net ========== Now while this is all well and good, during your synopsis you repost the edited email address and then on the same line you inform people what to replce your edited portion with in order to make it a valid address. Slightly hypocrytical, wouldn't you say? ========== Synopsis: Secure Software, Inc = Cyril Paciullo/Paciullo Cyril, Alex Shamash and Jason Lucas www.msgplus net = P, Cyril - edited address - replace popularemailprovider.com with ************** [removed actual provider with FAR too many stars]) ========== Another thing, you keep going on about the useage statistics that MsgPlus sends back to Patchou like it's a crime to see what features are being used the most, so that he knows what to focus on for future releases. I'm sure I've seen similar tick boxes on Messenger itself, as well as Windows Media Player. It's ok for M$ to request stats on users habits, but when Patchou request similar kinds of info (more than likely, it's less intrusive than what WMP or MSN requests), it's not allowed? Also, the option for user data for MSN and WMP is ON by default. I know this as I've just done a system rebuild with XP and I had to turn these 'useage data' tick boxes off myself after installing both Messenger (MSN and Windows versions) and WMP10. Oops, another point of your argument against MsgPlus out the window. For crying out loud, grow up, download version 3.25 and see for yourself what Patchou has done to try to keep the SIX MILLION people that use his software add-on happy. Regards, Brian! |
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Yo Jack
The word is 'libel'.. "Jack D. Russell, Sr." wrote in message ... ================================================== ==================== * Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. * Newsgroup:microsoft.public.msn.messenger,microsoft .public.windowsxp.messenger,microsoft.public.msn.d iscussion * Reply to: All; "Brian!" * Date:Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:28:34 -0500 * Subj: Messenger Plus! - Let's focus on another Sacred Cow for a while ================================================== ==================== Although I've never used Messenger Plus or MSN Messenger (wouldn't put any intrusive (to the point of being Spyware) MSN crapware on my machines for love nor money!), if Messenger plus has 6 million users and you aren't making at least $1 US per user (even for freeware), then you have a lot bigger things to worry about than an impotent Microsoft MVP's liable attempts. Don't sweat Sandi. Her reputation among experienced computer user groups precludes her ability to harm you, your program or anything else. Have a good one. -- Jack "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in message B ... Information about Patchou's alleged income that was posted to this B newsgroup has already been removed from my web page B I see you're at it again Sandi. Update of 15th October. B ========== B A person by the name of P, Cyril B - (***the email address has B been changed to protect P. Cyril from spam and flamemail***) is, at B the date of writing this segment (15 October 2004), the name behind B www.msgplus.net B ========== B Now while this is all well and good, during your synopsis you B repost the edited email address and then on the same line you B inform people what to replce your edited portion with in order to B make it a valid address. B Slightly hypocrytical, wouldn't you say? B ========== B Synopsis: B Secure Software, Inc = Cyril Paciullo/Paciullo Cyril, Alex Shamash B and Jason Lucas B www.msgplus net = P, Cyril B - edited address - replace popularemailprovider.com with B ************** [removed actual provider with FAR too many stars]) B ========== B Another thing, you keep going on about the useage statistics that B MsgPlus sends back to Patchou like it's a crime to see what B features are being used the most, so that he knows what to focus on B for future releases. B I'm sure I've seen similar tick boxes on Messenger itself, as well B as Windows Media Player. It's ok for M$ to request stats on users B habits, but when Patchou request similar kinds of info (more than B likely, it's less intrusive than what WMP or MSN requests), it's B not allowed? Also, the option for user data for MSN and WMP is ON B by default. I know this as I've just done a system rebuild with XP B and I had to turn these 'useage data' tick boxes off myself after B installing both Messenger (MSN and Windows versions) and WMP10. B Oops, another point of your argument against MsgPlus out the B window. B For crying out loud, grow up, download version 3.25 and see for B yourself what Patchou has done to try to keep the SIX MILLION B people that use his software add-on happy. B Regards, B Brian! |
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"anonymous" The MSN Messenger "Usage data" option was *not* turned on by default when I installed messenger on my machine. Um so which is it?? That is a good question. I just install XPPro SP2, WMP, and Messenger. They were all turn off by default and I had to turn them on. Could the problem be that you are running an older version then I? Maybe you don't use it or running a leak unfinished version. -- Be Safe JDProud MVP Photos www.msmvps.com/msnvision/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.777 / Virus Database: 524 - Release Date: 10/14/2004 |
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That would be 'too'
"Jack D. Russell, Sr." wrote in message ... ================================================== ==================== * Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. * Newsgroup:microsoft.public.msn.messenger,microsoft .public.windowsxp.messenger,microsoft.public.msn.d iscussion * Reply to: All; "Mike Hall" * Date:Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:31:57 -0500 * Subj: Messenger Plus! - Let's focus on another Sacred Cow for a while ================================================== ==================== Yo, not to bright, I typed what I meant. Maybe you and JD could get a group rate. http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?Liable -- Jack MH Yo Jack MH The word is 'libel'.. MH "Jack D. Russell, Sr." wrote in message MH ... Although I've never used Messenger Plus or MSN Messenger (wouldn't put any intrusive (to the point of being Spyware) MSN crapware on my machines for love nor money!), if Messenger plus has 6 million users and you aren't making at least $1 US per user (even for freeware), then you have a lot bigger things to worry about than an impotent Microsoft MVP's liable attempts. Don't sweat Sandi. Her reputation among experienced computer user groups precludes her ability to harm you, your program or anything else. Have a good one. |
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"anonymous" wrote in message
... The MSN Messenger "Usage data" option was *not* turned on by default when I installed messenger on my machine. Then you have an install problem: http://www.msgplus.net/changelog.php "A new option has been added in the preferences panel to allow sending periodic statistics to the msgplus.net server. These statistics are just a couple of numerical data such as "Quick Text was used" or "Plus! icon was clicked". Obviously, nothing personal (such as chat logs or contact emails) is sent. The data collected will help me concentrate on the features that are used the most in the future updates. The option is on by default and can be turned off permanently in the "General Options\Local Settings" section of the preferences. Last note about this: no statistic is send during the first week of use, that way, you have plenty of time to discover the option and turn it of if you desire. " -- _______________________________________ Hyperlinks used to ensure advice is current Sandi - Microsoft MVP since 1999 (IE/OE) http://inetexplorer.mvps.org |
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"James Donnelly [MVP]" JDProud(AT)msn.com wrote in message
... That is a good question. I just install XPPro SP2, WMP, and Messenger. They were all turn off by default and I had to turn them on. Could the problem be that you are running an older version then I? Maybe you don't use it or running a leak unfinished version. Same here. Also, according to http://messenger.ninemsn.com.au/Help/ceip.aspx How can I join? Your participation in the Customer Experience Improvement Program is completely voluntary. To join 1.. Click the Tools menu on the MSN Messenger main window. 2.. Click Options, and then click the General tab. 3.. Select the Allow Microsoft to collect anonymous information... check box. -- _______________________________________ Hyperlinks used to ensure advice is current Sandi - Microsoft MVP since 1999 (IE/OE) http://inetexplorer.mvps.org |
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wow.. no corrections needed this time.. way to go..
"Jack D. Russell, Sr." wrote in message ... ================================================== ==================== * Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. * Newsgroup:microsoft.public.msn.messenger,microsoft .public.windowsxp.messenger,microsoft.public.msn.d iscussion * Reply to: All; "Mike Hall" * Date:Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:28:45 -0500 * Subj: Messenger Plus! - Let's focus on another Sacred Cow for a while ================================================== ==================== ...now, roll over and bark like a dog. -- Jack MH That would be 'too' |
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Sandi - Microsoft MVP wrote:
"anonymous" wrote in message ... The MSN Messenger "Usage data" option was *not* turned on by default when I installed messenger on my machine. Then you have an install problem: http://www.msgplus.net/changelog.php "A new option has been added in the preferences panel to allow sending periodic statistics to the msgplus.net server. These statistics are just a couple of numerical data such as "Quick Text was used" or "Plus! icon was clicked". Obviously, nothing personal (such as chat logs or contact emails) is sent. The data collected will help me concentrate on the features that are used the most in the future updates. The option is on by default and can be turned off permanently in the "General Options\Local Settings" section of the preferences. Last note about this: no statistic is send during the first week of use, that way, you have plenty of time to discover the option and turn it of if you desire. " No he doesn't have an install problem, Sandi. "anonymous" is talking about MSN Messenger, not Messenger Plus!... Cookie Microsoft MVP - MSN Messenger |
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Sandi - Microsoft MVP wrote:
"James Donnelly [MVP]" JDProud(AT)msn.com wrote in message ... That is a good question. I just install XPPro SP2, WMP, and Messenger. They were all turn off by default and I had to turn them on. Could the problem be that you are running an older version then I? Maybe you don't use it or running a leak unfinished version. Same here. Also, according to http://messenger.ninemsn.com.au/Help/ceip.aspx How can I join? Your participation in the Customer Experience Improvement Program is completely voluntary. To join 1.. Click the Tools menu on the MSN Messenger main window. 2.. Click Options, and then click the General tab. 3.. Select the Allow Microsoft to collect anonymous information... check box. Sandi, that source doesn't say anything about the option being on or off by default. It only says how to participate in the CEIP and obviously that would be by ticking the option. And if you thought the word "voluntary" means that the option is off by default, then again, that isn't what it means. It means that you can choose if you want to participate or not... In other words: don't use such sources to backup arguments. PS: The option is not ticked by default, but this source is not valid at all to back this up! Cookie Microsoft MVP - MSN Messenger |
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