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  #31  
Old September 20th 18, 12:08 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

VanguardLH WROTE:

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

And Outlook-Quotefix


I left that out deliberately. It's a bad kludge. As I recall, you
had to install AutoHotkey because the "fix" relies on a hotkey
triggering a macro defined in AutoHotkey. Once the user opens a new
write window to compose a new message (even for a reply), the user
must remember to hit the AutoHotkey before clicking on the Send
button. Install software, remember to run macro before Send.
Kludge setup.


I'm pretty sure I'd have remembered if I had to do anything like that. I
installed it on the work machine, since that's where I had to use
Outlook, and they were fussy about letting anything extra work - I was
surprised to get O-Q to. But you might be right - it's so long since
work was using a version (of Outlook) where O-Q would work, I might have
forgotten.


Oops, the part about needing AutoHotkey was wrong. See:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/mac...QuoteFixMacro/
(Used to be at http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/)

It is a VBA macro installed into Outlook. It was still a manual
operation: the user had to remember to run the macro before.

It used, before a certain version, to _appear_ to do news:


Nope, never in Outlook, only in Outlook Express (which was Microsoft's
renaming of Internet Mail and News hence the filename of msimn.exe -
Microsoft likes to [re]name products with confusing names, even when the
filename doesn't change). The only way to get Outlook to support NNTP
was to install an add-on, like:

Newshound add-on
http://www.shorelinesoftware.com (but they disappeared a while ago)

MapiLab's NNTP add-on
https://www.mapilab.com/outlook/nntp/

I forget the details, but it actually called the OE that it knew would
be there.


Oh yeah, I remember something like that. There was a "Go News" menu bar
entry that all it did was call msimn.exe to open in its own window to do
newsgroups. There was a command-line switch to load OE only it
newsgroups mode. The menu entry in Outlook (to separately run OE) got
dropped back in Outlook 2003, so it was available only in prior
versions.

https://www.outlook-tips.net/how-to/go-news-is-missing/

Outlook didn't do newsgroups. It merely had a menu-ized link to an
external program (msimn.exe aka OE) to do newsgroups. Well, having a
desktop or taskbar toolbar shortcut or a key shortcut to msimn.exe was
just as easy. OE first came bundled with IE version 3. Microsoft
dropped OE from IE7 (OE6 was last available in IE6), so there was no
guaranteed msimn.was was on the host and Microsoft dropped the hardcoded
link in Outlook that might point to an executable that doesn't exist.
Windows XP came with IE6 as the base version of that program (although
it could get updated up to IE8). Plus Outlook wasn't doing newsgroups,
anyway.

In e-mail, top-posting is the de facto norm in replies.


De facto is right, unfortunately.


And HTML formatting, too, despite the entire message might only require
plain text.

For awhile, e-mail providers were not including both MIME parts (text
and HTML) for text-only e-mails. I remember when Hotmail (when using
its webmail client), would format outbound e-mails in HTML, add the MIME
part for HTML, but omit the MIME part for the text versions. The result
is that switching to plain-text only in some e-mail clients resulted in
see the HTML code since there was no text MIME part to grab and render.
Some clients would try to render the sole HTML MIME part as text but
sometimes that rendering would not be the same as if a text MIME part
had been included in the message.
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Old September 20th 18, 12:54 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

You know what's worse? People who post just
to whine about stuff they don't like.

I hate it when people do that.

You are Tom Lehrer and I claim my $5 ... (-:


Wow, now that brings back ancient memories: Tom Lehrer. He did some
comical songs, didn't he? I had to go look him up. Ah, now I remember:

[]
But I don't remember what of his had to do with "I claim my $5".


From his spoken introduction to (I think) "National Brotherhood Week":

"I know there _are_ people in this world who _do not like_ their fellow
man.

(Pause)

I _hate_ people like that."

The "ICM5P" may have been a British only thing: In, I think it might
have been, the 1930s, one of the national newspapers had a member of
staff who visited, incognito, various tourist spots; anyone who
recognised him was supposed to say "You are Lobby Ludd and I claim my
five pounds" (quite an appreciable sum in those days). It became a meme,
such that if anyone did something characteristic of someone else, the
response "you are xxx and I claim my five yyy" was common - still is in
a few limited circles. Let me just check ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobby_Lud; OK, I got some of the details
wrong. Does appear to have been mostly a British (English, even) thing.


Getting old is only for the brave. If the young knew what was awaiting
for them, they'd commit suicide by 50, maybe 40.

"Getting Old" by George Calin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT3nEDN9elI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPFCn3itBFE
- Geez, "caregiver" instead of "unregistered nurse" or "non-medical
helper" or "a family member stuck with tending to their aged".
- Timemark: 4:46 - I laughed remembering me and sis waiting in the for
my aunt to come out of the pharmacy but getting in the wrong car. I
pounded on the closed door window to warn her before she got in but
sis said, "Hush, let's see what happens." She didn't realize she got
in the wrong car until a soft voice by an even older lady came from
the back seat saying, "Sorry, dear, I think you got in the wrong car."
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Old September 20th 18, 10:48 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[Outlook]
It used, before a certain version, to _appear_ to do news:


Nope, never in Outlook, only in Outlook Express (which was Microsoft's


That's why I said "appear".
[]
I forget the details, but it actually called the OE that it knew would
be there.


Oh yeah, I remember something like that. There was a "Go News" menu bar
entry that all it did was call msimn.exe to open in its own window to do
newsgroups. There was a command-line switch to load OE only it
newsgroups mode. The menu entry in Outlook (to separately run OE) got
dropped back in Outlook 2003, so it was available only in prior
versions.

https://www.outlook-tips.net/how-to/go-news-is-missing/

Outlook didn't do newsgroups. It merely had a menu-ized link to an
external program (msimn.exe aka OE) to do newsgroups. Well, having a
desktop or taskbar toolbar shortcut or a key shortcut to msimn.exe was
just as easy. OE first came bundled with IE version 3. Microsoft
dropped OE from IE7 (OE6 was last available in IE6), so there was no
guaranteed msimn.was was on the host and Microsoft dropped the hardcoded
link in Outlook that might point to an executable that doesn't exist.


Which makes sense.
[]
In e-mail, top-posting is the de facto norm in replies.


De facto is right, unfortunately.


And HTML formatting, too, despite the entire message might only require
plain text.


Indeed.

For awhile, e-mail providers were not including both MIME parts (text
and HTML) for text-only e-mails. I remember when Hotmail (when using
its webmail client), would format outbound e-mails in HTML, add the MIME
part for HTML, but omit the MIME part for the text versions. The result
is that switching to plain-text only in some e-mail clients resulted in
see the HTML code since there was no text MIME part to grab and render.
Some clients would try to render the sole HTML MIME part as text but
sometimes that rendering would not be the same as if a text MIME part
had been included in the message.


Nowadays, some email systems - I don't say clients, as so far I've only
come across it in emails from companies (though including some quite
small ones) - _do_ include a text and an HTML part, but the text part
doesn't contain what the HTML part does (not even the text part); one I
get often just says something like "we tried to send you this email in
HTML (text and pictures) ..." in the text part. [_Without_ then adding
the _text_ of what they were trying to say.]
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Never make the same mistake twice...there are so many new ones to make!
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Old September 22nd 18, 09:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:51:35 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

OP was asking for a free one. The only place he's likely to find a free
one is in a yard sale. Just after the seller has decided to pack up and
put all the unsold crap in a dumpster.

Hence the "good luck."


I totally missed that part. :-o

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Old September 25th 18, 07:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:16:01 -0400, Paul wrote:

Regarding ImgBurn...

And a first time user tip - turn down the
audio volume on your computer, before running
Imgburn. The program developer has a sense of
humor, and it comes out of your speakers on
occasion. Turning down the volume is to avoid
scaring you right out of your chair. His sound
effects are a little too loud.


I just checked two PCs here and both had the ImgBurn sound effects
disabled (Settings, Sounds panel, uncheck the boxes). Surely that's
something that I did, many moons ago, for the reason you suggested.

--

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