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  #16  
Old December 15th 18, 11:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mike[_10_]
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Default SSD and surveillance camera?

On 12/15/2018 5:20 AM, Pat wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:35:25 -0800, mike wrote:

On 12/14/2018 12:19 PM, Pat wrote:
One option would be to use a RAM disk. Then just periodically wipe
the files if not needed. I use a RAM disk for camera images and
periodically write them to the SSD. There must be a better way for
you, though. If you don't want or need the files and your software
can't be told to throw the images away, find new software. There are
plenty of camera handling packages available for free. Good luck.


I'd be interested in particular recommendations
for free viewers that don't write to the C: drive, don't put up big
windows with lots of frames and buttons and...,
and don't require capturing a stream. That wastes way too much local
network bandwidth.


Do you need video to be displayed or will a periodic "snapshot" do?
As nospam said, your camera has the ability to send snapshots when
requested to do so. (I also have a few Panasonic cameras). I wrote a
program in C# that requests a snapshot from the camera once per second
and displays it in a borderless window with no other buttons or
controls. In another post you said all you want is "an IPCAM viewer".
By coincidence, I named my program IPCam. If you can program in C#,
you could write something similar (the tools are free). Mine wouldn't
work for you because I get sloppy when writing software for my own use
and I embed all sorts of hard coded network address, passwords, and
such).

Pat


I'm a VB6 kinda programmer. Drag and drop...
Never did like all the declarations and libraries and pragmas, whatever
they are, required just to get to the point you can write the first line
of application code. I wrote ONE C program 20 years ago
when I just couldn't get interpreted basic to run fast enough.

I would be interested in seeing your source code,
if you'd be willing to hack out the passwords and email it. I don't
have a problem with hard coded
stuff.

This thread has gone astray. I started by thinking about
how to implement junctions and hard links in an effort
to get existing programs to send their disk writes
to places other than the SSD.

I'm coming to the conclusion that this problem might
best be solved by digging a phone out of the junk box
and dedicating it as a camera viewer. I could stream
to that easily.
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  #17  
Old December 15th 18, 11:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mike[_10_]
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Default SSD and surveillance camera?

On 12/15/2018 6:12 AM, John Doe wrote:
mike wrote:

SSD and surveillance camera?
On the system I'm migrating from win7 to win10
I have a sidebar gadget called "coconutview" which monitors an IP
surveillance camera and displays the image.

It creates a 22KByte file every second.

If my math is correct, that's about 63GB/year times write
amplification.
Seems like a lot of unnecessary small writes to the SSD.
Multiply that by all the other old programs that had no concept
of SSD limitations and it seems worth looking into.


MicroSD are standard equipment on surveillance cameras.

Yes, but how does that help THIS problem?
  #18  
Old December 15th 18, 11:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mike[_10_]
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Default SSD and surveillance camera?

On 12/14/2018 10:46 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , mike
wrote:

I'd be interested to hear about an IPCAM viewer that
can display a compact window without a lot of overhead.
I can't use anything that captures images from a live stream. That uses
way too much local network bandwidth.


most output an mpeg stream, which uses very little bandwidth, however,
there are cameras that will upload snapshots at a user-defined interval
to a user-defined server (or public) if that's what you want.

I really don't want to download (as in store the image somewhere)
anything. I want to read the image data and render it to the
screen...period. The only reason I care about it being saved is because
of disk clutter and SSD life.


I run bleachbit about once a week. It typically throws away about half
a gigabyte of stuff, mostly in .ie5.

As for the mpeg stream, my network can easily handle the data rate, but
it obscures my ability to watch
internet access going on in the background.


it should have no effect on internet access since it's entirely local.

Read it again. It OBSCURES visibility of internet access by adding a
significant baseline to the graph of network activity.
  #19  
Old December 16th 18, 01:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
nospam
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Default SSD and surveillance camera?

In article , mike
wrote:

As for the mpeg stream, my network can easily handle the data rate, but
it obscures my ability to watch
internet access going on in the background.


it should have no effect on internet access since it's entirely local.

Read it again. It OBSCURES visibility of internet access by adding a
significant baseline to the graph of network activity.


then there's something wrong with your network.
  #20  
Old December 16th 18, 01:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Pat
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Default SSD and surveillance camera?

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:31:02 -0800, mike wrote:

On 12/15/2018 5:20 AM, Pat wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:35:25 -0800, mike wrote:

On 12/14/2018 12:19 PM, Pat wrote:
One option would be to use a RAM disk. Then just periodically wipe
the files if not needed. I use a RAM disk for camera images and
periodically write them to the SSD. There must be a better way for
you, though. If you don't want or need the files and your software
can't be told to throw the images away, find new software. There are
plenty of camera handling packages available for free. Good luck.

I'd be interested in particular recommendations
for free viewers that don't write to the C: drive, don't put up big
windows with lots of frames and buttons and...,
and don't require capturing a stream. That wastes way too much local
network bandwidth.


Do you need video to be displayed or will a periodic "snapshot" do?
As nospam said, your camera has the ability to send snapshots when
requested to do so. (I also have a few Panasonic cameras). I wrote a
program in C# that requests a snapshot from the camera once per second
and displays it in a borderless window with no other buttons or
controls. In another post you said all you want is "an IPCAM viewer".
By coincidence, I named my program IPCam. If you can program in C#,
you could write something similar (the tools are free). Mine wouldn't
work for you because I get sloppy when writing software for my own use
and I embed all sorts of hard coded network address, passwords, and
such).

Pat


I'm a VB6 kinda programmer. Drag and drop...
Never did like all the declarations and libraries and pragmas, whatever
they are, required just to get to the point you can write the first line
of application code. I wrote ONE C program 20 years ago
when I just couldn't get interpreted basic to run fast enough.

I would be interested in seeing your source code,
if you'd be willing to hack out the passwords and email it. I don't
have a problem with hard coded
stuff.

This thread has gone astray. I started by thinking about
how to implement junctions and hard links in an effort
to get existing programs to send their disk writes
to places other than the SSD.

I'm coming to the conclusion that this problem might
best be solved by digging a phone out of the junk box
and dedicating it as a camera viewer. I could stream
to that easily.


I'll email you something in the next few days. I assume your email
address shown above ) is correct. Let me know if
it's not.

Pat
  #21  
Old December 16th 18, 02:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.spam
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Default SSD and surveillance camera?

The poster should do a little research and not expect to be spoonfed.

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On 12/15/2018 6:12 AM, John Doe wrote:
mike ham789 netzero.net wrote:

SSD and surveillance camera?
On the system I'm migrating from win7 to win10
I have a sidebar gadget called "coconutview" which monitors an IP
surveillance camera and displays the image.

It creates a 22KByte file every second.

If my math is correct, that's about 63GB/year times write
amplification.
Seems like a lot of unnecessary small writes to the SSD.
Multiply that by all the other old programs that had no concept
of SSD limitations and it seems worth looking into.


MicroSD are standard equipment on surveillance cameras.

Yes, but how does that help THIS problem?



  #22  
Old December 16th 18, 02:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mike[_10_]
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Default SSD and surveillance camera?

On 12/15/2018 4:48 PM, Pat wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:31:02 -0800, mike wrote:

On 12/15/2018 5:20 AM, Pat wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:35:25 -0800, mike wrote:

On 12/14/2018 12:19 PM, Pat wrote:
One option would be to use a RAM disk. Then just periodically wipe
the files if not needed. I use a RAM disk for camera images and
periodically write them to the SSD. There must be a better way for
you, though. If you don't want or need the files and your software
can't be told to throw the images away, find new software. There are
plenty of camera handling packages available for free. Good luck.

I'd be interested in particular recommendations
for free viewers that don't write to the C: drive, don't put up big
windows with lots of frames and buttons and...,
and don't require capturing a stream. That wastes way too much local
network bandwidth.


Do you need video to be displayed or will a periodic "snapshot" do?
As nospam said, your camera has the ability to send snapshots when
requested to do so. (I also have a few Panasonic cameras). I wrote a
program in C# that requests a snapshot from the camera once per second
and displays it in a borderless window with no other buttons or
controls. In another post you said all you want is "an IPCAM viewer".
By coincidence, I named my program IPCam. If you can program in C#,
you could write something similar (the tools are free). Mine wouldn't
work for you because I get sloppy when writing software for my own use
and I embed all sorts of hard coded network address, passwords, and
such).

Pat


I'm a VB6 kinda programmer. Drag and drop...
Never did like all the declarations and libraries and pragmas, whatever
they are, required just to get to the point you can write the first line
of application code. I wrote ONE C program 20 years ago
when I just couldn't get interpreted basic to run fast enough.

I would be interested in seeing your source code,
if you'd be willing to hack out the passwords and email it. I don't
have a problem with hard coded
stuff.

This thread has gone astray. I started by thinking about
how to implement junctions and hard links in an effort
to get existing programs to send their disk writes
to places other than the SSD.

I'm coming to the conclusion that this problem might
best be solved by digging a phone out of the junk box
and dedicating it as a camera viewer. I could stream
to that easily.


I'll email you something in the next few days. I assume your email
address shown above ) is correct. Let me know if
it's not.

Pat

Yep,it's a valid address. Just don't know how big a file it will allow.
If that doesn't work, I have alternatives.
Thanks,
mike
  #23  
Old December 16th 18, 02:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.spam
mike[_10_]
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Default SSD and surveillance camera?

On 12/15/2018 5:00 PM, John Doe wrote:
The poster should do a little research and not expect to be spoonfed.


Merry Christmas to you too.
May you get all you deserve...
  #24  
Old December 16th 18, 02:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mike[_10_]
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Default SSD and surveillance camera?

On 12/15/2018 4:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , mike
wrote:

As for the mpeg stream, my network can easily handle the data rate, but
it obscures my ability to watch
internet access going on in the background.

it should have no effect on internet access since it's entirely local.

Read it again. It OBSCURES visibility of internet access by adding a
significant baseline to the graph of network activity.


then there's something wrong with your network.


Thanks for the input. Getting my network fixed
would be great.
Please recommend an app that can graph internet/web activity in real
time while ignoring local network traffic.
I'm currently using rainmeter, but it doesn't distinguish between types
of traffic.
  #25  
Old December 16th 18, 03:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.spam
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On 12/15/2018 5:00 PM, John Doe wrote:
The poster should do a little research and not expect to be spoonfed.


Merry Christmas to you too.
May you get all you deserve...



  #26  
Old December 16th 18, 06:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default SSD and surveillance camera?

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:59:22 -0800, mike wrote:

On 12/15/2018 4:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , mike
wrote:

As for the mpeg stream, my network can easily handle the data rate, but
it obscures my ability to watch
internet access going on in the background.

it should have no effect on internet access since it's entirely local.

Read it again. It OBSCURES visibility of internet access by adding a
significant baseline to the graph of network activity.


then there's something wrong with your network.


Thanks for the input. Getting my network fixed
would be great.
Please recommend an app that can graph internet/web activity in real
time while ignoring local network traffic.


dd-wrt (alternative router firmware) can do that, but I use a host-based
utility called Bandwidth Monitor (http://www.bwmonitor.com/index.htm)
that I've configured to show Internet traffic and LAN traffic
separately, so that would also do what you want. The utility is free for
30 days, then expensive to buy. (I was able to expense it quite a few
years ago or I would have looked elsewhere.) Looks like the cost is
still $24.95 for a single license, or $49.95 for 5 licenses.

I'm currently using rainmeter, but it doesn't distinguish between types
of traffic.


Check out item #4 in the Top 11 Benefits of Bandwidth Monitor at the
link above. One of the things it can do is show WAN and LAN traffic
separately, along with a simultaneous aggregated LAN+WAN view.

BWMonitor is rather expensive at a time when everyone expects things to
be free, but I think it's completely worth it and its existence might
indicate that other cheaper alternatives are out there, waiting to be
found.

  #27  
Old December 16th 18, 12:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mike[_10_]
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Default SSD and surveillance camera?

On 12/15/2018 9:05 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:59:22 -0800, mike wrote:

On 12/15/2018 4:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , mike
wrote:

As for the mpeg stream, my network can easily handle the data rate, but
it obscures my ability to watch
internet access going on in the background.

it should have no effect on internet access since it's entirely local.

Read it again. It OBSCURES visibility of internet access by adding a
significant baseline to the graph of network activity.

then there's something wrong with your network.


Thanks for the input. Getting my network fixed
would be great.
Please recommend an app that can graph internet/web activity in real
time while ignoring local network traffic.


dd-wrt (alternative router firmware) can do that,

I have a dd-wrt router or two in the junkbox. Wasn't aware that I could
get real-time on-screen monitoring of sorted network bandwidth out of it
without running a browser.
but I use a host-based
utility called Bandwidth Monitor (http://www.bwmonitor.com/index.htm)
that I've configured to show Internet traffic and LAN traffic
separately, so that would also do what you want. The utility is free for
30 days, then expensive to buy. (I was able to expense it quite a few
years ago or I would have looked elsewhere.) Looks like the cost is
still $24.95 for a single license, or $49.95 for 5 licenses.

I'm currently using rainmeter, but it doesn't distinguish between types
of traffic.


Check out item #4 in the Top 11 Benefits of Bandwidth Monitor at the
link above. One of the things it can do is show WAN and LAN traffic
separately, along with a simultaneous aggregated LAN+WAN view.

BWMonitor is rather expensive at a time when everyone expects things to
be free, but I think it's completely worth it and its existence might
indicate that other cheaper alternatives are out there, waiting to be
found.

Thanks, but it's more than twice the cost of the SSD I'm trying to
lighten the load on.

This thread keeps goin' astray. Yes, I could modify a bunch of stuff,
but I really wanted to fix the problem that needed fixing so I wouldn't
have to do that.

I dug out an old tablet and that seems to view the camera just fine.
Maybe that's the best option.
  #28  
Old December 16th 18, 04:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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mike wrote:
[...]
Please recommend an app that can graph internet/web activity in real
time while ignoring local network traffic.
I'm currently using rainmeter, but it doesn't distinguish between types
of traffic.


I use NetWorx. Highly recommended, but since 1 January 2017 it's
payware at $25 for 5 devices. ( I still have the free version.)

https://www.softperfect.com/products/networx
  #29  
Old December 16th 18, 05:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default SSD and surveillance camera?

On 12/16/2018 5:29 AM, mike wrote:


Thanks, but it's more than twice the cost of the SSD I'm trying to
lighten the load on.


It seems you are trying to lighten the load on the SSD when it may not
be necessary.

Given how much you plan to write to the SSD, how soon do you expect it
to fail?

Even if the SSD is only rated for 50 TBW, writing 65GB/yr will take
forever to wear it out.

Writing 650 TB/year will take 75 years to wear it out.

You'd have to find the specs for the SSD you are using, but it is likely
wearing it out by storing lots little files is unlikely.










  #30  
Old December 16th 18, 09:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default SSD and surveillance camera?

joe wrote:
On 12/16/2018 5:29 AM, mike wrote:


Thanks, but it's more than twice the cost of the SSD I'm trying to
lighten the load on.


It seems you are trying to lighten the load on the SSD when it may not
be necessary.

Given how much you plan to write to the SSD, how soon do you expect it
to fail?

Even if the SSD is only rated for 50 TBW, writing 65GB/yr will take
forever to wear it out.

Writing 650 TB/year will take 75 years to wear it out.

You'd have to find the specs for the SSD you are using, but it is likely
wearing it out by storing lots little files is unlikely.


Due to variances in write amplification, writing small files
may cause more wear life than if an equivalent amount of
"bulk" storage was used. Storing a single gigabyte file on
an SSD, is easier on it than storing a million 1KB files.
The "percent life remaining" indicator in SMART, will
tick down faster in the second case.

The TBW rating of a drive, is only a guideline and might well
be a rating based on "nice file storage" of the big files.

Doing occasional TRIM commands, may help reduce the amount
of housekeeping the drive is doing internally when it's
getting full, or the drive thinks that "most sectors
contain used information". TRIM tells the drive exactly
which clusters don't need to be represented in Flash.

*******

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...7-a76c0b450818

"To change the location of the Internet Temp folder, follow the steps given below.

Note: That Internet Explorer moves cookies to the new folder and
the old folder is removed. Additionally, the following message
is displayed when you attempt to move the Temporary Internet Files folder:

Warning: Moving the location of your Temporary Internet Files
folder will delete all your subscription data.

1. Create a new folder to store the files. For example, if you want to
store the files in a folder named Ietemp on drive D, create the
following folder:

D:\Ietemp

For information about how to create a folder, click Start, click Help, click the Index tab, type new folder, and then double-click the "New Folders" topic.

1. Start Internet Explorer.
2. On the Tools menu, click Internet Options.
3. On the General tab, click Settings.
4. Click Move Folder.
5. Click the folder you created in Step 1.
6. Click OK, click OK, and then click OK again.
7. Restart your computer
"

For storage, you can set up a small RAM drive.

The free version of this one, is limited to 1GB in size.
Which is sufficient for an IE temp.

http://memory.dataram.com/products-a...ftware/ramdisk

You don't need it to be persistent. It can be set up to
load an "empty" image of a file system at start. (So the
freshly created RAMDrive at boot will have a drive letter,
before the rubber hits the road.)

The only trick is, dealing with cases where it didn't
start in time perhaps, and then there is no D: when the
rest of the OS was expecting such.

That one behaves well most of the time. However, a Windows 10
OS upgrade, requires the user to go into Programs and Features
and "repair" the RAMDisk install for it to work again. (I have
the paid version of that program.)

Paul

 




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