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Old January 25th 19, 05:39 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Visual Studio 2019 Preview 2 is now available


The second preview of Visual Studio 2019 is now available for download
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/preview/. This release
contains a number of improvements and additions to the core experience
and different development areas, many of which are a result of your
direct feedback https://aka.ms/devcomm. As always, you can check out
the release notes
https://docs.microsoft.com/visualstudio/releases/2019/release-notes-previewfor
more details or read on for the highlights.


https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2019/01/24/visual-studio-2019-preview-2-is-now-available/



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Old January 25th 19, 07:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mike
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Default Visual Studio 2019 Preview 2 is now available

On 1/24/2019 8:39 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

The second preview of Visual Studio 2019 is now available for download
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/preview/. This release
contains a number of improvements and additions to the core experience
and different development areas, many of which are a result of your
direct feedback https://aka.ms/devcomm. As always, you can check out
the release notes


Is there anything of the visual basic 6 philosophy left?
I poked around the site for a while.
The first examples are a command line interface!!!!!

Looks like linux.

I didn't find any examples of creating a graphical user interface
graphically.

To create a user interface, all you gotta do is write 10 lines of
magic code to create a button and fill it with parameters.
Sheesh!

What happened to click, drag/drop a button and have everything
you'd ever need to know in a property selection window?

Or did I just look in the wrong place.

What do we use today for rapid development of simple programs with
graphical user interfaces?
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Old January 25th 19, 08:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Visual Studio 2019 Preview 2 is now available

Mike wrote:
On 1/24/2019 8:39 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

The second preview of Visual Studio 2019 is now available for
download https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/preview/. This
release contains a number of improvements and additions to the core
experience and different development areas, many of which are a
result of your direct feedback https://aka.ms/devcomm. As always,
you can check out the release notes


Is there anything of the visual basic 6 philosophy left?
I poked around the site for a while.
The first examples are a command line interface!!!!!

Looks like linux.

I didn't find any examples of creating a graphical user interface
graphically.

To create a user interface, all you gotta do is write 10 lines of
magic code to create a button and fill it with parameters.
Sheesh!

What happened to click, drag/drop a button and have everything
you'd ever need to know in a property selection window?

Or did I just look in the wrong place.

What do we use today for rapid development of simple programs with
graphical user interfaces?


Somewhere in the process of defining your project, there was
an option for the program type. Whether it's command line
or you wanted a window at startup. There'd be a file with
a preamble in it, suitable for the purpose.

My problem is, I can't show you an example, because I can't
remember which C: drive that's on :-) And it wouldn't have been
VS2019 either, as generally the newer versions aren't focused
on stuff I want to do. I'm not interested in making "Apps"
or UWPs or anything of the sort. I just want to get stuff
done, not make a software ritual out of it.

Paul
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Old January 25th 19, 08:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Visual Studio 2019 Preview 2 is now available

Paul wrote:
Mike wrote:
On 1/24/2019 8:39 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

The second preview of Visual Studio 2019 is now available for
download https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/preview/. This
release contains a number of improvements and additions to the core
experience and different development areas, many of which are a
result of your direct feedback https://aka.ms/devcomm. As always,
you can check out the release notes


Is there anything of the visual basic 6 philosophy left?
I poked around the site for a while.
The first examples are a command line interface!!!!!

Looks like linux.

I didn't find any examples of creating a graphical user interface
graphically.

To create a user interface, all you gotta do is write 10 lines of
magic code to create a button and fill it with parameters.
Sheesh!

What happened to click, drag/drop a button and have everything
you'd ever need to know in a property selection window?

Or did I just look in the wrong place.

What do we use today for rapid development of simple programs with
graphical user interfaces?


Somewhere in the process of defining your project, there was
an option for the program type. Whether it's command line
or you wanted a window at startup. There'd be a file with
a preamble in it, suitable for the purpose.

My problem is, I can't show you an example, because I can't
remember which C: drive that's on :-) And it wouldn't have been
VS2019 either, as generally the newer versions aren't focused
on stuff I want to do. I'm not interested in making "Apps"
or UWPs or anything of the sort. I just want to get stuff
done, not make a software ritual out of it.

Paul


This demonstrates a setting exists, but the thing I was using might
have been a bit before this part.

http://hdrlab.org.nz/articles/window...visual-studio/

Paul
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Old January 25th 19, 03:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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Default Visual Studio 2019 Preview 2 is now available

"Mike" wrote

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| Is there anything of the visual basic 6 philosophy left?
| I poked around the site for a while.
| The first examples are a command line interface!!!!!
|

I think you can assume they've done a good job, it's
very usable, and it's deeply tied to the products they
want you to use. Azure "DevOps" seems to be a big focus.
And no doubt you can make Metro trinkets. But the
minimal version is $45/month! Why wouldn't you just
get VS Express for free if you want to write software?

Either way, they don't really want to push anyone
doing desktop software. That's not where Microsoft
wants you to go today.

Part of the problem for people writing actual compiled
software is that the market is not lucrative for MS or
anyone else. In the early days, the more people wrote
Windows software, the more Windows cemented its
monopoly. So they tried to make it easy.

Then they started pushing .Net, to get people out of
the desktop and into Java-esque trinket apps and
commercial server back-end software. It was the early
push to cash in on web services. Except .Net web
services never happened.

Today they're looking at apps. They want you to make
an ad-supported phone app or set up a commercial Azure-
based service. They want things where they can take a
cut of your profits. I don't know much about what's running
on Azure, but I know it's been successful. And that's a
service. Giving you Azure tools is like giving you a free
ride to their supermarket. You pay rent to them in order
to host your online service.

Case in point: I still use VB6 and it can still do almost
anything but drivers, supported on all Windows systems.
But recently Google broke one of my programs. I'd written
a Google maps program using the REST API. My software
calls the Google server and gets maps, streetview, satellite,
directions. I incorporated it all into a single desktop program
so there'd be no need to visit Google Maps or allow
javascript online. Google's license said as long as it's free
and I add their logo, it's OK.

This past summer, Google changed the deal. Now they
require a credit card and account. If my software goes over
the free limit I'd be charged. No option anymore to just
block access for the rest of the day. And they're not really
recognizing the existence of desktop software anymore.
They assume anyone using their maps is running an
ad-supported phone app and should therefore be giving
Google a cut. In a world that's all services you're a
franchisee.

I've switched my program to Microsoft's Bing. Bing is
at least as good except that they won't let me have
streetside photos. That's reserved for phone apps and
Win10 Metro trinkets. You can't use the REST/Internet
API to get them. You have to use their kiddie software
tools and make a Metro app.
For now, Bing lets me get maps with only
an ID key that's easy to get. But their licensing is very
telling. They have numerous categories of licensing and
it was hard to figure out which parts applied to desktop
software. Like Google, they assume most software now
is ad-supported and they want a cut of that. It's
understandable. Why let Ed's Restaurant Adviser App
rake in money on Microsoft's platform without taking
a cut? But that trend is gradually pushing production
software (as opposed to consumer software) out of the
picture.

|
| What do we use today for rapid development of simple programs with
| graphical user interfaces?

VB6 is still very good for most things. .Net is probably
the standard for commercial, quickie stuff. And up-to-date
versions will have better support for the latest GUI
techno-kitsch. And of course, C++ is and always has
been the main standard, but not so "rapid". I think .Net
mainly fills the intended VB niche: Quickie, in-house,
corporate software. Most Windows software is still
C++.

I know someone who's a software tester for a medical
software product. It's actually a webpage, scripted
thing, with all sorts of javascript big guns and probably
compiled stuff on the back end. They update it at least
once per week. Crazy stuff. Very different from traditional
compiled software.

Some people might think using VB6 seems silly, but
VB6 and VC6 are probably the most widely supported
products at this point. Every version of C++ requires a
new, hefty runtime package. And those are versioned
to the point of absurdity, so that you can end up with
dozens of different VC runtimes installed. Yet the VB6
and VC6 runtimes are small and pre-installed on virtually
every existing Windows machine. It's dependency-free
operation everywhere. The reason it runs on Win10?
Because a lot of custom, corporate in use is still VB6.


 




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