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Visual Studio 2019 Preview 2 is now available
The second preview of Visual Studio 2019 is now available for download https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/preview/. This release contains a number of improvements and additions to the core experience and different development areas, many of which are a result of your direct feedback https://aka.ms/devcomm. As always, you can check out the release notes https://docs.microsoft.com/visualstudio/releases/2019/release-notes-previewfor more details or read on for the highlights. https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2019/01/24/visual-studio-2019-preview-2-is-now-available/ -- With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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Visual Studio 2019 Preview 2 is now available
On 1/24/2019 8:39 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
The second preview of Visual Studio 2019 is now available for download https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/preview/. This release contains a number of improvements and additions to the core experience and different development areas, many of which are a result of your direct feedback https://aka.ms/devcomm. As always, you can check out the release notes Is there anything of the visual basic 6 philosophy left? I poked around the site for a while. The first examples are a command line interface!!!!! Looks like linux. I didn't find any examples of creating a graphical user interface graphically. To create a user interface, all you gotta do is write 10 lines of magic code to create a button and fill it with parameters. Sheesh! What happened to click, drag/drop a button and have everything you'd ever need to know in a property selection window? Or did I just look in the wrong place. What do we use today for rapid development of simple programs with graphical user interfaces? |
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Visual Studio 2019 Preview 2 is now available
Mike wrote:
On 1/24/2019 8:39 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote: The second preview of Visual Studio 2019 is now available for download https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/preview/. This release contains a number of improvements and additions to the core experience and different development areas, many of which are a result of your direct feedback https://aka.ms/devcomm. As always, you can check out the release notes Is there anything of the visual basic 6 philosophy left? I poked around the site for a while. The first examples are a command line interface!!!!! Looks like linux. I didn't find any examples of creating a graphical user interface graphically. To create a user interface, all you gotta do is write 10 lines of magic code to create a button and fill it with parameters. Sheesh! What happened to click, drag/drop a button and have everything you'd ever need to know in a property selection window? Or did I just look in the wrong place. What do we use today for rapid development of simple programs with graphical user interfaces? Somewhere in the process of defining your project, there was an option for the program type. Whether it's command line or you wanted a window at startup. There'd be a file with a preamble in it, suitable for the purpose. My problem is, I can't show you an example, because I can't remember which C: drive that's on :-) And it wouldn't have been VS2019 either, as generally the newer versions aren't focused on stuff I want to do. I'm not interested in making "Apps" or UWPs or anything of the sort. I just want to get stuff done, not make a software ritual out of it. Paul |
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Visual Studio 2019 Preview 2 is now available
Paul wrote:
Mike wrote: On 1/24/2019 8:39 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote: The second preview of Visual Studio 2019 is now available for download https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/preview/. This release contains a number of improvements and additions to the core experience and different development areas, many of which are a result of your direct feedback https://aka.ms/devcomm. As always, you can check out the release notes Is there anything of the visual basic 6 philosophy left? I poked around the site for a while. The first examples are a command line interface!!!!! Looks like linux. I didn't find any examples of creating a graphical user interface graphically. To create a user interface, all you gotta do is write 10 lines of magic code to create a button and fill it with parameters. Sheesh! What happened to click, drag/drop a button and have everything you'd ever need to know in a property selection window? Or did I just look in the wrong place. What do we use today for rapid development of simple programs with graphical user interfaces? Somewhere in the process of defining your project, there was an option for the program type. Whether it's command line or you wanted a window at startup. There'd be a file with a preamble in it, suitable for the purpose. My problem is, I can't show you an example, because I can't remember which C: drive that's on :-) And it wouldn't have been VS2019 either, as generally the newer versions aren't focused on stuff I want to do. I'm not interested in making "Apps" or UWPs or anything of the sort. I just want to get stuff done, not make a software ritual out of it. Paul This demonstrates a setting exists, but the thing I was using might have been a bit before this part. http://hdrlab.org.nz/articles/window...visual-studio/ Paul |
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Visual Studio 2019 Preview 2 is now available
"Mike" wrote
| | Is there anything of the visual basic 6 philosophy left? | I poked around the site for a while. | The first examples are a command line interface!!!!! | I think you can assume they've done a good job, it's very usable, and it's deeply tied to the products they want you to use. Azure "DevOps" seems to be a big focus. And no doubt you can make Metro trinkets. But the minimal version is $45/month! Why wouldn't you just get VS Express for free if you want to write software? Either way, they don't really want to push anyone doing desktop software. That's not where Microsoft wants you to go today. Part of the problem for people writing actual compiled software is that the market is not lucrative for MS or anyone else. In the early days, the more people wrote Windows software, the more Windows cemented its monopoly. So they tried to make it easy. Then they started pushing .Net, to get people out of the desktop and into Java-esque trinket apps and commercial server back-end software. It was the early push to cash in on web services. Except .Net web services never happened. Today they're looking at apps. They want you to make an ad-supported phone app or set up a commercial Azure- based service. They want things where they can take a cut of your profits. I don't know much about what's running on Azure, but I know it's been successful. And that's a service. Giving you Azure tools is like giving you a free ride to their supermarket. You pay rent to them in order to host your online service. Case in point: I still use VB6 and it can still do almost anything but drivers, supported on all Windows systems. But recently Google broke one of my programs. I'd written a Google maps program using the REST API. My software calls the Google server and gets maps, streetview, satellite, directions. I incorporated it all into a single desktop program so there'd be no need to visit Google Maps or allow javascript online. Google's license said as long as it's free and I add their logo, it's OK. This past summer, Google changed the deal. Now they require a credit card and account. If my software goes over the free limit I'd be charged. No option anymore to just block access for the rest of the day. And they're not really recognizing the existence of desktop software anymore. They assume anyone using their maps is running an ad-supported phone app and should therefore be giving Google a cut. In a world that's all services you're a franchisee. I've switched my program to Microsoft's Bing. Bing is at least as good except that they won't let me have streetside photos. That's reserved for phone apps and Win10 Metro trinkets. You can't use the REST/Internet API to get them. You have to use their kiddie software tools and make a Metro app. For now, Bing lets me get maps with only an ID key that's easy to get. But their licensing is very telling. They have numerous categories of licensing and it was hard to figure out which parts applied to desktop software. Like Google, they assume most software now is ad-supported and they want a cut of that. It's understandable. Why let Ed's Restaurant Adviser App rake in money on Microsoft's platform without taking a cut? But that trend is gradually pushing production software (as opposed to consumer software) out of the picture. | | What do we use today for rapid development of simple programs with | graphical user interfaces? VB6 is still very good for most things. .Net is probably the standard for commercial, quickie stuff. And up-to-date versions will have better support for the latest GUI techno-kitsch. And of course, C++ is and always has been the main standard, but not so "rapid". I think .Net mainly fills the intended VB niche: Quickie, in-house, corporate software. Most Windows software is still C++. I know someone who's a software tester for a medical software product. It's actually a webpage, scripted thing, with all sorts of javascript big guns and probably compiled stuff on the back end. They update it at least once per week. Crazy stuff. Very different from traditional compiled software. Some people might think using VB6 seems silly, but VB6 and VC6 are probably the most widely supported products at this point. Every version of C++ requires a new, hefty runtime package. And those are versioned to the point of absurdity, so that you can end up with dozens of different VC runtimes installed. Yet the VB6 and VC6 runtimes are small and pre-installed on virtually every existing Windows machine. It's dependency-free operation everywhere. The reason it runs on Win10? Because a lot of custom, corporate in use is still VB6. |
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