What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

In alt.os.linux arlen holder wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 16:52:19 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:

proxychains + telnet + newsfront.net

Hi owl,

....

Q: What is the relationship of "netfront" to "newsfront.net" in your post?


It was a typo. Should be netfront.



In summary, here's my take on "proxychains" based _only_ on what I gleaned
by about a minute or two of skimming of each of the articles above:

(Preliminary assessment of) Proxychains:
1. The 'idea' of daisychaining proxies is sound, and easily agree on
2. Hence, it's a "nice" solution if you severely limit the platforms

If you "severely limit it" to the undisputed *best* platform (Linux).

2. There's no overt indication (yet) it works on the other platforms yet.

The question that arises is very simple, & very (very) very obvious:
o Does it?


It can, with a bit of preliminaries.

For Mack, it should work out of the box.
For ios, find some app that does similar.
For Windows, use a Linux VM, or find some Windows app that does similar.
For Android, install UserLand linux:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tech.ula

or find some android app that does similar.

In alt.os.linux arlen holder wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 17:06:26 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:

https://imgur.com/fA0VEd9

Hi owl,

This post was posted as...
o NNTP POSTING HOST = 41.141.82.247
o LOCATION = Casablanca, Morocco
o ISP = Maroc Telecom

1. First off, thank you for being an adult in your responses (no bull****).
2. Second, thanks for proposing a "workable" solution for NNTP servers.
3. Third, thanks for _testing_ that workable solution (with proof!)

Here's what you proved, which I completely accept as proof of concept.
anon@lowtide:~$ grep ^socks4 proxychains.conf
socks4 182.75.139.222 4153
anon@lowtide:~$ proxychains telnet freenews.netfront.net 119
ProxyChains-3.1 (http://proxychains.sf.net)
|DNS-response|: lowtide does not exist
|DNS-request| freenews.netfront.net
|S-chain|--182.175.139.222:4153---4.2.2.2.:53--OK
Connected to freenews.netfront.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 news.netfront.net Inter netNews NNRP server INN 2.54.6 (20090602 snapshot) ready (posting ok).
post
340 Ok, recommened ID
From: owl
Subject: PRIVACY What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free
Usenet posts?
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux,comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10
References:

HINT: I'd _love_ to use a proxy; if it worked as well as does VPN.

proxychains + telnet + newsfront.net
.
240 Article posted
quit
205 .
Connection closed by foreign host.
anon@lowtide:~$

Notice that I'm an adult, which means I completely accept your proof of concept.
o Facts are funny that way

FACTS:
1. This proxycahains proof of concept undoubtably works for "nix-like" systems.
2. This proxychains concept is a _nice_ idea for "anonymizing" an IP address.
3. I will test out this nice idea, 1st on Linux; & then, on Windows; & then Android.



It will not work with mixmin, because mixmin requires SSL for posting.
(Testing with `proxychains s_client -connect ...` failed as expected).

In my opinion, the easiest is just to use a paid server such as altopia
(which I use) that does not insert NNTP-Posting-Host or Injection-Info
headers.

https://www.altopia.com/polfaq.html
quote
Q: Why don't posts from your site contain an NNTP-Posting-Host: header?

A: We feel customers have a right to decide whether to be anonymous or not
and so we do not add the NNTP-Posting-Host: header to customers' posts.
/quote

Cheapest account is $6/mo.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 20:07:46 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:

If you "severely limit it" to the undisputed *best* platform (Linux).

o NNTP POSTING HOST = 94.16.113.142
o LOCATION = Dresden, Germany
o ISP = SSP Europe GmbH
o PROTOCOL: UDP & NNTP

Hi owl,

*THANK YOU for proposing the "proxychain" potential solution!*

I am an adult, which means, in part, that I handle FACTS & LOGIC well.
o Hence I don't disagree that "nix" OS's are, by far, the most powerful.

As I had explained, in hundreds of posts (let Cyber count them), if Mike,
Frank, Rene, Dan, Cybe(r), Paul, Carlos, Jasen, et al., have a solution,
their proposed solution should simply pass the 3-word bull**** test:
o Name just one

*Your suggested solution easily & instantly passed a 3-word bull**** test!*

I won't be posting much on this topic until I have more value to add
o Or, if someone else proposes a Windows/Android/iOS solution method

Since we're adults, we can _easily_ & instantly agree on facts & logic:

Desktops come first!
o Linux & Mac are no brainers (I'll test Ubuntu 1st as I research Windows)

Mobile devices come later...
o I have both iOS & Android (where Android always works 1st)

Platform issues:
o I don't forsee _any_ problem on Linux (Ubuntu 18.04 most likely).
o Windows WideCap _already_ failed basic tests (http://widecap.ru/en/)
o Windows FreeCap is, perhaps, the next logical step to explore...

Windows FreeCap vs (SocksCap) vs WideCap????
o https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap
o http://www.freecap.ru/eng?p=download
o https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/tree/master/exe
etc.

FreeCap v3.18:
o https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/freecap.exe
o https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/freecapCon.exe
o https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/freecapConW.exe
o https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/proxy32.dll
o https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/inject.dll

--
As a side note, you'll find that netfront.net:119 has an IP posting limit.
You can exceed that limit _only_ if you change your IP address.

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Carlos E.R. wrote:

[About (123456789's use of) "throwaway Google email address":]
[...]
What do you call "throwaway Google email address"? Does google say they
are throwaway? Or is it just a standard Google email address that you
only use, perhaps temporarily, for the purpose of posting to google groups?

I assume it is the later. In that case, they still are proper mail
addresses to which we can send mail directly. And given justified need,
like a court order, Google can identify the person.

It depends what you *do* with the email address (i.e. do you actually
send/receive any email which can be traced to you) and what Google does
'behind the scenes' (i.e. does Google for example (try to) tie other
activities from the same IP address together), but the Gmail address and
corresponding Google Account *can* be quite anonymous.

As a test, I just created
was already taken! :-)) with *only* this info
(checked after the fact in 'Personal info' of the account):

NAME Santa Claus
BIRTHDAY January 1, 1970 (IIRC that's the Unix Epoc date.)
GENDER Rather not say
PASSWORD ....
EMAIL

While the obvious use of such a "throwaway Google email address" is to
use the address for posting, logging in on accounts, etc., *not* to
send/receive email, you still *can* send/receive email with a "throwaway
Google email address (account)", such as the one I just created.

HTH.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 20:15:09 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:

In my opinion, the easiest is just to use a paid server such as altopia
(which I use) that does not insert NNTP-Posting-Host or Injection-Info
headers.

o NNTP POSTING HOST = 124.197.119.108
o LOCATION = Hyderabad, Telangana, India
o ISP = M1
o PROTOCOL: UDP & NNTP

Hi owl,

FACT + LOGIC.

I'm an adult; hence I instantly comprehend your suggestion:
o A paid server that respects privacy will certainly work - no doubt

Whether or not a "paid server" is the best for "privacy" depends,
a lot, on _how_ you pay for it, does it not?
o However, let's _not_ go there - as that's off topic for this thread.

Also, whether or not a "paid server" is the "easiest" is also up for grabs.
o It's pretty easy to use a free VPN & a free news server too!

The advantage of the current method, is, off the top of my head:
o It's a "glorified proxy" so the IP address is not static & not mine
o It works the same on _all_ five common consumer platforms
o It's free (hence the barrier to "test" it out is zero)
etc.

I LOVE your idea of getting "proxychains" to work on "nix" & Windows.
o I will only post further if I have _value_ to add
o Or, if someone asks an adult question needing clarification.

THANK YOU AGAIN for posting an alternative solution!

Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
A: Proxychain (for 'nix OSs anyway & maybe for Windows with FreeCap!)

--
Yes, I saw your iOS & Android suggestions, but let's desktop first!

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Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 19/02/2019 16.49, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:50:51 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 02/18/2019 8:33 PM, Ken Hart wrote:
On 2/18/19 8:12 PM, arlen holder wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 19:18:59 -0500, Ken Hart wrote:

Google is your friend.

I copied and pasted your question into Google; it came back with "About
481,000 results (0.78 seconds)"

The seventh result down the page was "25 Best Free Web Proxies for Safer
and Anonymous Surfing | SpyAdvice
https://spyadvice.com/free-web-proxies/"
While I didn't check out the cite/site, it does mention "It also
supports Usenet... posting..."

Idiot.
Troll.

That's pretty rude!

You asked a question. I presented your question, in your exact words
(remember 'copied and pasted') to Google- which is why it exists. Google
presented a myriad of answers. Generally, the first page or so of
answers are the best: in this case, the seventh one exactly answered the
question you asked.

And you call me an "Idiot. Troll." I tried to help you, and that's the
thanks I get?
Rude is his middle name , he'll stab you in the back as soon as you
disagree with his stupidity. Ignore him or make fun of the idiot.


Please, *don't* make fun of him. He's a troll, and trolls should be
ignored, not responded to.

He should be killfiled. He's killfiled here because I don't want to
read his garbage. But when someone responds to a troll, I have to
read his messages quoted in the responses (unless I also killfile the
responder, which I usually don't want to, but sometimes do if someone
very frequently responds to trolls).

Why don't you simply kill the thread?

Good question, which I also have asked, repeatedly and recently (Feb
19) in this very thread.

Apparent Ken (Blake) would rather repeatedly complain about this
(non-)'problem' than solve it.

As I have posted, in his newsreader - Agent -, he can even killfile
"JohnDoe" and choose as Action "Ignore Thread" to killfile JohnDoe and
any and all responses to JohnDoe's threads once and for all, i.e. a one
time action, instead of having to kill every new thread which JohnDoe
creates.

Because Ken had 'threatened' to killfile people who respond to trolls,
I even morphed to post my advice/solution to him, but even that was not
acknowledged/rejected, nor - apparently - used.

Well, I/we tried. Can do no more.

On 02/21/2019 2:38 PM, arlen holder wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 20:07:46 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:

If you "severely limit it" to the undisputed *best* platform (Linux).

o NNTP POSTING HOST = 94.16.113.142
o LOCATION = Dresden, Germany
o ISP = SSP Europe GmbH
o PROTOCOL: UDP & NNTP

Hi owl,

*THANK YOU for proposing the "proxychain" potential solution!*

I am an adult, which means, in part, that I handle FACTS & LOGIC well.
o Hence I don't disagree that "nix" OS's are, by far, the most powerful.

As I had explained, in hundreds of posts (let Cyber count them), if Mike,
Frank, Rene, Dan, Cybe(r), Paul, Carlos, Jasen, et al., have a solution,
their proposed solution should simply pass the 3-word bull**** test:
o Name just one

*Your suggested solution easily & instantly passed a 3-word bull**** test!*

I won't be posting much on this topic until I have more value to add
o Or, if someone else proposes a Windows/Android/iOS solution method

Since we're adults, we can _easily_ & instantly agree on facts & logic:

Desktops come first!
o Linux & Mac are no brainers (I'll test Ubuntu 1st as I research Windows)

Mobile devices come later...
o I have both iOS & Android (where Android always works 1st)

Platform issues:
o I don't forsee _any_ problem on Linux (Ubuntu 18.04 most likely).
o Windows WideCap _already_ failed basic tests (http://widecap.ru/en/)
o Windows FreeCap is, perhaps, the next logical step to explore...

Windows FreeCap vs (SocksCap) vs WideCap????
o https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap
o http://www.freecap.ru/eng?p=download
o https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/tree/master/exe
etc.

FreeCap v3.18:
o https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/freecap.exe
o https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/freecapCon.exe
o https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/freecapConW.exe
o https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/proxy32.dll
o https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/inject.dll


Is arlen looking for a proxy or a prosti, if the latter hes in the wrong
MG.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 20:15:09 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:

It will not work with mixmin, because mixmin requires SSL for posting.
(Testing with `proxychains s_client -connect ...` failed as expected).

o NNTP POSTING HOST = 58.106.176.150
o LOCATION = Doncaster East, Victoria, Australia
o ISP = Optus
o PROTOCOL: TCP & NNTP

Hi owl,

*I forgot to acknowledge your helpful truthful statement on SSL encryption!*
o Again, I appreciate the advice where it's clear you don't bull****, owl.

It's refreshing to not have to deal with bull****, owl.
o Thank you very much for NOT bull****ting us on the Mixmin SSL.
(We can solve _that_ SSL-encryption problem later.)

Like you, I don't bull**** as I am an adult.
o Adults handle facts & logic like, well, like adults.

The simple test for an adult is the same 3 words I've been asking others:
Q: hat's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
A: Proxychains [Which clearly works on 'nix with unencrypted NNTP.]

What I _love_ is your response PASSES the 3-word BS test:
o Name just one

As far as I remember, out of hundreds of posts (let Cyber count them),
yours is the _only_ suggestion that passed the 3-word bull**** test!

I will try it out on the desktop first - and then on the mobile device.
o Then I will compare to the existing working solution
o Where there are _always_ a variety of pros and cons in every solution!

To be clear, the existing solution is "pretty good"
o But I'm always seeking BETTER solutions which this may very well be!

The existing solution:
o Has almost zero hurdle to use on all 5 common consumer platforms
o All it needs is a free config file & a free VPN client (both abound)
o That provides access to over six thousand IP addresses around the world

I think this proxychains method will work nicely, and, if desired
o We may even be able to dovetail proxychains _with_ VPN (who knows?)

The test sequence is obvious to adults:
1. First get the 'nix solution to work (where I foresee zero hurdles)
2. Then get the Windows solution to work (hurdles _may_ exist)
3. Then get the mobile devices to work (Android always first)

It's refreshing to not have to deal with bull****, owl.
o Thank you very much for NOT bull****ting us on the Mixmin SSL.
(We can solve _that_ SSL-encryption problem later.)

No need to respond, where I THANK you for being an adult, owl.
o Adults make statements that pass the simple 3-word BS test

*Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?*
*A: Proxychains (for the 'nix operating systems, for sure!)*

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owl wrote:
In alt.os.linux arlen holder wrote:
[...]
If you "severely limit it" to the undisputed *best* platform (Linux).

2. There's no overt indication (yet) it works on the other platforms yet.

The question that arises is very simple, & very (very) very obvious:
o Does it?

It can, with a bit of preliminaries.

For Mack, it should work out of the box.
For ios, find some app that does similar.
For Windows, use a Linux VM, or find some Windows app that does similar.

Unless it (proxychains) does some very exotic stuff, it's quite likely
that it can be built (from source, etc.) under Cygwin. Perhaps there
even is already a ready-built Cygwin package.

For Android, install UserLand linux:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tech.ula

or find some android app that does similar.

On 21/02/2019 21.59, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 19/02/2019 16.49, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:50:51 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

....


Why don't you simply kill the thread?

Good question, which I also have asked, repeatedly and recently (Feb
19) in this very thread.

Apparent Ken (Blake) would rather repeatedly complain about this
(non-)'problem' than solve it.

As I have posted, in his newsreader - Agent -, he can even killfile
"JohnDoe" and choose as Action "Ignore Thread" to killfile JohnDoe and
any and all responses to JohnDoe's threads once and for all, i.e. a one
time action, instead of having to kill every new thread which JohnDoe
creates.

And Thunderbird can do the same. Well, it can ignore the entire thread
or just the subthread (which I prefer when I use that action).


Because Ken had 'threatened' to killfile people who respond to trolls,
I even morphed to post my advice/solution to him, but even that was not
acknowledged/rejected, nor - apparently - used.

Well, I/we tried. Can do no more.

I haven't bothered to morph. If he doesn't want to read me, that's his
prerogative.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 21/02/2019 21.45, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:

[About (123456789's use of) "throwaway Google email address":]
[...]
What do you call "throwaway Google email address"? Does google say they
are throwaway? Or is it just a standard Google email address that you
only use, perhaps temporarily, for the purpose of posting to google groups?

I assume it is the later. In that case, they still are proper mail
addresses to which we can send mail directly. And given justified need,
like a court order, Google can identify the person.

It depends what you *do* with the email address (i.e. do you actually
send/receive any email which can be traced to you) and what Google does
'behind the scenes' (i.e. does Google for example (try to) tie other
activities from the same IP address together), but the Gmail address and
corresponding Google Account *can* be quite anonymous.

As a test, I just created
was already taken! :-)) with *only* this info
(checked after the fact in 'Personal info' of the account):

NAME Santa Claus
BIRTHDAY January 1, 1970 (IIRC that's the Unix Epoc date.)
GENDER Rather not say
PASSWORD ....
EMAIL

While the obvious use of such a "throwaway Google email address" is to
use the address for posting, logging in on accounts, etc., *not* to
send/receive email, you still *can* send/receive email with a "throwaway
Google email address (account)", such as the one I just created.

That's how I thought it would be :-)


If you are up to be sufficiently naughty, I'm sure that Google logs the
IP you used to connect every time you connect and login (they say so,
and if you try to login from a geographically distant IP it complains).
So if you are naughty they can give that info to the authorities and
eventually find you.

There was a high profile case in the USA, some whistle blower, that used
TOR to connect somewhere and post information. But once he connected
without TOR, so they investigated that IP and found him.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

If you are up to be sufficiently naughty, I'm sure that Google logs the
IP you used to connect every time you connect and login (they say so,
and if you try to login from a geographically distant IP it complains).
So if you are naughty they can give that info to the authorities and
eventually find you.

unless it's obfuscated.

There was a high profile case in the USA, some whistle blower, that used
TOR to connect somewhere and post information. But once he connected
without TOR, so they investigated that IP and found him.

if that's the case i'm thinking of, he wasn't found by tracking his ip,
but rather that he made a threat to a school and there was a single tor
connection from that school at the same time as the threat was made.

it doesn't take a lot to figure out that those were related.

they knocked on his door and he confessed.

In message owl wrote:
If you "severely limit it" to the undisputed *best* platform (Linux).

Hahahaha! A new front runner in "dumbest things said by a human"
contest.

--
Amazingly Beautiful Creatures Dancing Excites the Forest Glade, in my
Heart how I do Jump like the Kudo Listen to the Music so Nice the Organ
Plays. Quietly Rests the Sleepy Tiger Under the Vine tree at the Water's
side and X marks the spot 'neath the Yellow moon where the Zulu king and
I did hide.

below all the meta descussion you ask some understandable technical
questions, if you can read that far you might find some useful answers.

On 2019-02-21, arlen holder wrote:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 12:09:01 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

Using a VPN as a method of concealing his own IP connectivity is one
strategy for solving his dilemma, but I don't think it is an ideal one.

I'm a man of action, so, I ask you a simple 3-word bull**** test:
o Name just one

It's the "three word bull****" again.. name just one what?

you get tho choose between the free VPN service operated by the FBI, the
one operated by the KGB, and the one operated by the "direct marketeer",
can you guess which is which?

I also ask that you stop incessantly assuming I beat my wife, Mike.

You brought it up. and in aycase you hve no authority to tell anone
what to think. (perhaps you mean something different)

o Just stop with the nefarious bull****
o If the only way your argument works is that I'm a pedophile, Mike
o Then you have no argument, Mike.


I can see him quoting out of context "I beat my wife, Mike." , "I'm a pedophile, Mike"

*Please assume only one thing & one thing only: PRIVACY*

Think about that.

please assume only privacy? It leaves me wondering why you posted it
to usenet. I think it probably needs more words.

And you know I don't handle bull**** well, Mike.

indeed that is very evident.

o It's all people like Jasen, Frank, Dan et al., _can_ do, Mike.

I look at understanding your bull**** as a challenge. if you were to
stop bull****ting I would stop responding to it.

I can't make you comprehend the simplest of PRIVACY Mike.

you need to use more words to explain the tings you want understood

o I can just give you the simplest of EXAMPLES, Mike.

Here is the simplest of the simplest of the simplest of tests:
1. Post using Netfront (like I am doing right now, Mike).
2. Tell me how to _change_ the resulting NNTP posting host to anything

_you_ can't change it to anything they control its content.

3. The goal is to not be static, and not to be mine (it's simple, Mike)

what would be yours and what would be not-yours? if you rent a VPS is
it yours or not yours?

That's the _simplest_ I can explain the problem set, Mike.
o If you can't solve _that_ problem, then you are spewing bull****.

Here's the NNTP Posting Host, Mike:
o 187.182.172.64 (bbb6ac40.virtua.com.br)
o Serviços de Comunicação S.A. (AS28573),
o NET Virtua, City: Guarulhos, Sao Paulo, Brazil
o https://www.whois.com/whois/187.182.172.64
etc.

HINT: I'd _love_ to use a proxy; if it worked as well as does VPN.
o Name just one

If a VPN gives acceptable privacy use a VPN. just be aware that the
free ones are probably in the business of snooping on their customers.

If there's a better way to arbitrarily change the posting host to any
of thousands of choices at any moment in time, then, Mike:
o *Name just one*

There's no way to do that. even a VPN provider doesn't give you much
diversity, all their IP addresses are typically in the same block
and they're often identified as VPN in geoip databases.

--
When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.

On 21/02/2019 17:12, Mike Easter wrote:
arlen holder wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:

Notice that you did NOT include free or any privacy consideration
between you and the nntp admin.

Hi Mike,


You type too much and say too little which is useful for a discussion of
the issues.

I have no suggestions for how you should address that affliction of
yours, except that the first step is to own it - recognize that you DO it.

The other problem with your messages is that they tend to be rude or
offensive toward your discussant.

Both of the above behaviors would tend to cause those who would
potentially contribute to your conversations to kf or ignore what you
post or threads which you participate.

IAWTP

--
David B.
Devon, UK