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  #31  
Old January 4th 10, 10:25 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ophelia
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Default Windows Mail



"Stewart" wrote in message
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"Ophelia" wrote in message
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"Stewart" wrote in message
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Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express
seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are
plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been
able to install OE in W7?


I have given up I am using the default mail. I am getting used to it
but it wasn't easy.

Same thing when they changed everything in Office 2007, after so many
people had grown so accustomed to the original interface and placement of
commands and options.

Efficiencies went out the door.....


I am using Office 2000. Too many changes are just not good yannow)
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  #32  
Old January 4th 10, 01:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Seth
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"Stewart" wrote in message
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"Bert Coules" wrote in message
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Ann wrote:

Check here for 2 files you can download and apply, which should make
winmail
your default email client ...


Ah, thanks very much for that. At the moment, though I have a Vista
installation disk, it's not installed on any of my PCs. I wonder if
there's a way of extracting the Mail program without doing a full
install? I must check around.


In older Win versions, you used to be able to extract compressed files
from the install disk libraries from the command line. I believe it was
the expand command (it's been awhile). You can open up a command prompt
and type it in with a /? to get a list of the options and syntax.

You used to be able to use windows explorer to look at the compressed
library files. Not sure if this is still the case (again, older versions
of windows).



With the newer OS installers from MS, it's an image file that can be mounted
to a folder with IMAGEX.EXE. Now you can browse the folder structure within
the image and copy files out.

  #33  
Old January 4th 10, 02:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stewart[_4_]
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Posts: 64
Default Windows Mail


"Ophelia" wrote in message
...


"Stewart" wrote in message
...

"Ophelia" wrote in message
...


"Stewart" wrote in message
...
Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook
Express seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I
know there are plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available,
but has anyone been able to install OE in W7?

I have given up I am using the default mail. I am getting used
to it but it wasn't easy.

Same thing when they changed everything in Office 2007, after so
many people had grown so accustomed to the original interface and
placement of commands and options.

Efficiencies went out the door.....


I am using Office 2000. Too many changes are just not good
yannow)
--
https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/


Yeah, the human mind is a lot like a computer....after a certain age
the buffer tends to overflow.


  #34  
Old January 4th 10, 02:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stewart[_4_]
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Posts: 64
Default Windows Mail


"Seth" wrote in message
...
"Stewart" wrote in message
...

"Bert Coules" wrote in message
...
Ann wrote:

Check here for 2 files you can download and apply, which should
make winmail
your default email client ...

Ah, thanks very much for that. At the moment, though I have a
Vista installation disk, it's not installed on any of my PCs. I
wonder if there's a way of extracting the Mail program without
doing a full install? I must check around.


In older Win versions, you used to be able to extract compressed
files from the install disk libraries from the command line. I
believe it was the expand command (it's been awhile). You can open
up a command prompt and type it in with a /? to get a list of the
options and syntax.

You used to be able to use windows explorer to look at the
compressed library files. Not sure if this is still the case
(again, older versions of windows).



With the newer OS installers from MS, it's an image file that can be
mounted to a folder with IMAGEX.EXE. Now you can browse the folder
structure within the image and copy files out.


Thanks for the tip. It may be useful for me at some point (if my
personal buffer hasn't overflowed, that is)....


  #35  
Old January 4th 10, 03:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ophelia
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Posts: 325
Default Windows Mail



"Stewart" wrote in message
...

"Ophelia" wrote in message
...


"Stewart" wrote in message
...

"Ophelia" wrote in message
...


"Stewart" wrote in message
...
Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express
seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are
plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been
able to install OE in W7?

I have given up I am using the default mail. I am getting used to it
but it wasn't easy.
Same thing when they changed everything in Office 2007, after so many
people had grown so accustomed to the original interface and placement
of commands and options.

Efficiencies went out the door.....


I am using Office 2000. Too many changes are just not good yannow)


Yeah, the human mind is a lot like a computer....after a certain age the
buffer tends to overflow.


lol indeed

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  #36  
Old January 4th 10, 03:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ophelia
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Posts: 325
Default Windows Mail



"Stewart" wrote in message
...

"Seth" wrote in message
...
"Stewart" wrote in message
...

"Bert Coules" wrote in message
...
Ann wrote:

Check here for 2 files you can download and apply, which should make
winmail
your default email client ...

Ah, thanks very much for that. At the moment, though I have a Vista
installation disk, it's not installed on any of my PCs. I wonder if
there's a way of extracting the Mail program without doing a full
install? I must check around.


In older Win versions, you used to be able to extract compressed files
from the install disk libraries from the command line. I believe it was
the expand command (it's been awhile). You can open up a command prompt
and type it in with a /? to get a list of the options and syntax.

You used to be able to use windows explorer to look at the compressed
library files. Not sure if this is still the case (again, older
versions of windows).



With the newer OS installers from MS, it's an image file that can be
mounted to a folder with IMAGEX.EXE. Now you can browse the folder
structure within the image and copy files out.


Thanks for the tip. It may be useful for me at some point (if my personal
buffer hasn't overflowed, that is)....


Yep! Gotta keep them there personal buffers from overflowing...



--
https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

  #38  
Old January 6th 10, 06:43 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
The Central Scrutinizer
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Default Windows Mail

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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I am using it for news only. Like OE, it can check for new messages and
download them without having to Sync manually. Nice to be able to just
glance over and see if there are new messages. Can't do that with WLMail.
I don't understand why they did away with that.


I do not sync manually. WLMail works just like OE only better as far as I
can tell.

--




  #39  
Old January 6th 10, 07:01 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Bruce Hagen
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Posts: 1,235
Default Windows Mail


"The Central Scrutinizer" wrote in message
...
"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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I am using it for news only. Like OE, it can check for new messages and
download them without having to Sync manually. Nice to be able to just
glance over and see if there are new messages. Can't do that with
WLMail. I don't understand why they did away with that.


I do not sync manually. WLMail works just like OE only better as far as
I can tell.

--




It is not the same.

If you use OE or WinMail for news, it can be set to download new messages
whenever check for new messages is set for. (5 minutes. 10 minutes. etc.).
With WLMail, you can do the same, but no newsgroup will show a new message
count, or turn BOLD until you physically go to that group.

IOW, if you're sitting on the couch and watching the monitor from a
distance waiting for a group to signify a new message has arrived, you are
going to be disappointed.
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

  #40  
Old January 6th 10, 07:37 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stewart[_4_]
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Default Windows Mail


"The Central Scrutinizer" wrote in message
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Use Windows Live mail. It is not windows mail.


No matter what it's called, IMO it is terrible.

--


"Stewart" wrote in message
...
Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook
Express seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know
there are plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but
has anyone been able to install OE in W7?





  #41  
Old January 6th 10, 03:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
R. C. White
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Default Windows Mail

Hi, Stewart.

It's not a matter of "what it's called". Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail
are entirely separate programs.

Windows Mail is an integral part of Windows Vista - and isn't supported on
any other Windows version.

Windows Live Mail is NOT an integral part of ANY Windows version. But it
can be downloaded (http://download.live.com ) and installed into any Windows
version. (Well, any recent version; I don't know about Windows for
Workgroups. ;^} )

Since Windows 7 does not include any mail or news client at all, we Win7
users are free to choose any such programs that we like, either from
Microsoft or from third parties. The "path of least resistance" is to use
WLM, it seems. That is what I use, largely because it seems much like a
near-natural progression: MSIMN OE through OE6 WM WLM ??

While I have my gripes about WLM (pastel UI, hidden Menu Bar, etc.) like
nearly every other user, I'm mostly happy with it - until the next step in
the evolution.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

"Stewart" wrote in message
...

"The Central Scrutinizer" wrote in message
...
Use Windows Live mail. It is not windows mail.


No matter what it's called, IMO it is terrible.

--


"Stewart" wrote in message
...
Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express
seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are
plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been
able to install OE in W7?


  #42  
Old January 7th 10, 04:48 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stewart[_4_]
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Posts: 64
Default Windows Mail


"R. C. White" wrote in message
...
Hi, Stewart.

It's not a matter of "what it's called". Windows Mail and Windows
Live Mail are entirely separate programs.


Yes, I understand that. I just forgot to add the "live" part in my
posts.


Windows Mail is an integral part of Windows Vista - and isn't
supported on any other Windows version.

Windows Live Mail is NOT an integral part of ANY Windows version.
But it can be downloaded (http://download.live.com ) and installed
into any Windows version. (Well, any recent version; I don't know
about Windows for Workgroups. ;^} )

Since Windows 7 does not include any mail or news client at all, we
Win7 users are free to choose any such programs that we like, either
from Microsoft or from third parties. The "path of least
resistance" is to use WLM, it seems. That is what I use, largely
because it seems much like a near-natural progression: MSIMN OE
through OE6 WM WLM ??


I actually prefer OE. I used it for a long time, and was very
familiar with navigating with it. What would have been the harm of
supplying a version of it for Win 7? Just like the decided change of
the HI in office 2007 without allowing the user to revert back to the
original HI. It automatically made most users less efficient.

While I have my gripes about WLM (pastel UI, hidden Menu Bar, etc.)
like nearly every other user, I'm mostly happy with it - until the
next step in the evolution.


Well, I use it grudgingly at the moment. I've tried a few others, and
many have good features, but I have not found one that I prefer much
more than any other. But I will keep trying.


RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

"Stewart" wrote in message
...

"The Central Scrutinizer" wrote in message
...
Use Windows Live mail. It is not windows mail.


No matter what it's called, IMO it is terrible.

--


"Stewart" wrote in message
...
Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook
Express seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I
know there are plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available,
but has anyone been able to install OE in W7?






  #43  
Old January 7th 10, 04:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ophelia
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Posts: 325
Default Windows Mail



"Stewart" wrote in message
...

I actually prefer OE. I used it for a long time, and was very familiar
with navigating with it. What would have been the harm of supplying a
version of it for Win 7? Just like the decided change of the HI in office
2007 without allowing the user to revert back to the original HI. It
automatically made most users less efficient.


Hear! hear!

While I have my gripes about WLM (pastel UI, hidden Menu Bar, etc.) like
nearly every other user, I'm mostly happy with it - until the next step
in the evolution.


Well, I use it grudgingly at the moment. I've tried a few others, and
many have good features, but I have not found one that I prefer much more
than any other. But I will keep trying.


I know just what you mean. I really, really, really object to being
dictated to about what I am allowed to have... grrrrrrrrrrrrr
We ARE the customers here!!!
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  #44  
Old January 7th 10, 05:01 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Gordon
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"Ophelia" wrote in message
...
I know just what you mean. I really, really, really object to being
dictated to about what I am allowed to have... grrrrrrrrrrrrr
We ARE the customers here!!!


So you think that by using the built-in mail client that MS decided to
include that you are NOT being dictated to? Sheeeesh - I wouldn't want to
know when you ARE being dictated to!
The whole point of NOT having an email client in Windows 7 is PERSONAL
CHOICE!!!!!!!
There are at LEAST half a dozen free email clients out there that YOU can
choose from - or are you SO used to accepting blindly what MS provides that
you are incapable of making any choices any more?

  #45  
Old January 8th 10, 05:33 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stewart[_4_]
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Posts: 64
Default Windows Mail


"Ophelia" wrote in message
...


"Stewart" wrote in message
...

I actually prefer OE. I used it for a long time, and was very
familiar with navigating with it. What would have been the harm of
supplying a version of it for Win 7? Just like the decided change
of the HI in office 2007 without allowing the user to revert back
to the original HI. It automatically made most users less
efficient.


Hear! hear!

While I have my gripes about WLM (pastel UI, hidden Menu Bar,
etc.) like nearly every other user, I'm mostly happy with it -
until the next step in the evolution.


Well, I use it grudgingly at the moment. I've tried a few others,
and many have good features, but I have not found one that I prefer
much more than any other. But I will keep trying.


I know just what you mean. I really, really, really object to being
dictated to about what I am allowed to have... grrrrrrrrrrrrr
We ARE the customers here!!!
--
--
https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/


Well, sometimes it feels more like an abused user....


 




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