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  #61  
Old January 9th 10, 01:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Roy Smith[_6_]
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On 1/7/2010 10:34 PM, Stewart wrote:
"Gordon" wrote in message
...

"Ophelia" wrote in message
...
I know just what you mean. I really, really, really object to
being dictated to about what I am allowed to have... grrrrrrrrrrrrr
We ARE the customers here!!!


So you think that by using the built-in mail client that MS decided
to include that you are NOT being dictated to? Sheeeesh - I wouldn't
want to know when you ARE being dictated to!
The whole point of NOT having an email client in Windows 7 is
PERSONAL CHOICE!!!!!!!
There are at LEAST half a dozen free email clients out there that
YOU can choose from - or are you SO used to accepting blindly what
MS provides that you are incapable of making any choices any more?


There was nothing wrong with OE. They could have just left it alone,
and we would have had better choices.


Oh but there are things that are wrong with OE. For example:

Outlook Express does not correctly handle MIME, and will not display the
body of signed messages inline. Users get a blank e-mail and two
attachments (one of the message text and one of the signature) and
therefore need to open an attachment to see the e-mail. If the email has
been forwarded several times, users need to open attached email messages
one inside the other multiple times till they reach the parent e-mail
message. This bug has still not been rectified. The proper behavior is
described in RFC1847.

This defect was carried forward to Windows Mail, and is still present in
Windows Live Mail. Also canceling sending an email while it is being
sent does not effectively prevent it from being sent. Also, when
importing .PST files, cancelling the import while it is in progress
merely cancels the import of the current folder and the import resumes
with the next folder.

--

Roy Smith
Windows 7

Timestamp: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:10:51 PM
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  #62  
Old January 10th 10, 06:51 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stewart[_4_]
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"Gordon" wrote in message
...

"Ophelia" wrote in message
...

... and it was OUR choice.


So I bet you didn't TRY anything else - you just blindly went with
whatever MS decided to give you - just like most people blindly use
IE and don't try any other browser...


Quite the contrary...I have tried a few others, and OE worked best for
me. I also use Chrome and Firefox, IE only if I have to.


  #63  
Old January 10th 10, 06:58 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stewart[_4_]
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"SC Tom" wrote in message
...

"Gordon" wrote in message
...

"Ophelia" wrote in message
...

... and it was OUR choice.


So I bet you didn't TRY anything else - you just blindly went with
whatever MS decided to give you - just like most people blindly use
IE and don't try any other browser...


I don't see it as "blindly using" or being "dictated to" when an OS
contains certain accessories. The people (like you and I and many
others) who WANT to try other things, or feel the urge to
experiment, or are always looking for a better and easier way to do
something will always continue on the way we are- try it, don't like
it, discard it; try it, like it, keep it; try it, like it, maybe
discard first "like it". I can't count how many mail clients, news
clients, mail and news clients, and browsers I've tried over the
decades. But I generally (but not always) end up using a MS product
mostly because I like the feel of it and it plays nicely with my OS.
Windows started bundling email clients and browsers with their OS's
because of ease of use and the attractiveness of having all that
together in one package (kind of like the Office suites). The
average Joe ate it up and bought it up, so they continued. Toward
the later days of XP and into Vista, there were so many other tried
and true choices, I think they just decided not waste the valuable
resources of programming and implementation by including it in
Windows 7.


I would have to disagree to some of that, as they did take the
resources for the WLM interface and offer it for free DL and
integrates into their hotmail service (which competes with Google).


I'm kinda surprised they didn't include the most basic of browser
with it and leave the choice of a full blown one to the users.
I've always felt that their time and resources would have been
better spent on the OS itself without the fluff, but hey, I don't
work for them, I just buy from them. I think their premise is the
same as most everyone else now- "If you don't like what we offer,
get something else and see where you are." And people are trying
those other things. Are the "other things" going to dethrone MS?
Maybe someday, but probably not any time real soon. Are some people
going to continue to try other things? You betcha, until this
country and the rest of the world succumbs to sloth and loses its
drive to experiment.
So whether or not an OS comes with an email client, or a browser, or
even a calculator, that doesn't mean something else can't be tried.
And if the owner/user of that OS decides not to use a different
email client, or browser, or even a calculator, that doesn't
necessarily mean they are blindly following the MS road. That just
means they didn't like the alternatives, or they didn't feel it
necessary to try an alternative.
Just my HAWO :-)
--
SC Tom





  #64  
Old January 10th 10, 07:01 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stewart[_4_]
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Posts: 64
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"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
On 1/7/2010 10:34 PM, Stewart wrote:
"Gordon" wrote in message
...

"Ophelia" wrote in message
...
I know just what you mean. I really, really, really object to
being dictated to about what I am allowed to have...
grrrrrrrrrrrrr
We ARE the customers here!!!

So you think that by using the built-in mail client that MS
decided
to include that you are NOT being dictated to? Sheeeesh - I
wouldn't
want to know when you ARE being dictated to!
The whole point of NOT having an email client in Windows 7 is
PERSONAL CHOICE!!!!!!!
There are at LEAST half a dozen free email clients out there that
YOU can choose from - or are you SO used to accepting blindly what
MS provides that you are incapable of making any choices any more?


There was nothing wrong with OE. They could have just left it
alone,
and we would have had better choices.


Oh but there are things that are wrong with OE. For example:

Outlook Express does not correctly handle MIME, and will not display
the
body of signed messages inline. Users get a blank e-mail and two
attachments (one of the message text and one of the signature) and
therefore need to open an attachment to see the e-mail. If the email
has
been forwarded several times, users need to open attached email
messages
one inside the other multiple times till they reach the parent
e-mail
message. This bug has still not been rectified. The proper behavior
is
described in RFC1847.

This defect was carried forward to Windows Mail, and is still
present in
Windows Live Mail. Also canceling sending an email while it is
being
sent does not effectively prevent it from being sent. Also, when
importing .PST files, cancelling the import while it is in progress
merely cancels the import of the current folder and the import
resumes
with the next folder.

--

Roy Smith
Windows 7

Timestamp: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:10:51 PM


Let me rephrase....there was nothing wrong with OE for me.

Of course, I'm sure that some people were affected by these issues,
but since they carried it forward they have done no better when they
had the opportunity.


 




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