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Old February 9th 19, 03:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't
be used:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...er/ba-p/331732

As with most Microsoft writing, it's poorly written, in a
conversational but quasi-technical style with clunky,
made-up terms thrown in.
For example, "technical debt" means existing reasons you
need to use IE. "Endpoints" means websites. I wish MS
would provide basic English classes for their employees.

The author is not pointing to the security
problems at all. He only points out that MS broke IE11
in terms of backward compatibility, paints that as a
good thing, and doesn't want you to blame MS for IE11
not working as expected. Of course, if IE11 was standards
compliant and still supported quirks mode by default, it
would be universally compatible. Instead, IE11 does neither.

Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge.
So the official MS position now is, "please don't use our
browsers online"! No problem, folks.


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Old February 9th 19, 03:49 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Woops. This is even weirder than I realized. Tech sites are
posting headlines that MS wants you to stop using IE. But
when I got into the blog comments I realized that what the
author is pushing is actually a new level of Rube Goldberg
design:

They broke quirks mode in IE11. Therefore they broke
many websites unless you set an exception by hand. Now
what they're saying is you should use their tools to create
a listing of the webpages you visit, and once you go through
all that (plus keep it updated) you'll get back a semblance
of quirks mode in IE for sites that need it, while using another
browser as your default. Only Microsoft could define inpossible
complication as a fix.


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Old February 9th 19, 04:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Wolf K" wrote

| I wish MS
| would provide basic English classes for their employees.
| [...]
|
| The rot set in when universities dropped the Eng Lit requirement for all
| degrees, and substituted "composition" classes.
|

So most bachelor's degrees don't require any
actual English writing training? I guess I'm not
surprised. My ladyfriend supervises early childhood
education candidates. College degrees, but many
write like a child, while the rest often write like
marketers. I suspect they also can't spell, but
they all use MS Word, so they don't need that skill.


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Old February 9th 19, 07:00 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Mayayana" on Sat, 9 Feb 2019 10:19:10 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"Wolf K" wrote

| I wish MS
| would provide basic English classes for their employees.
| [...]
|
| The rot set in when universities dropped the Eng Lit requirement for all
| degrees, and substituted "composition" classes.
|

So most bachelor's degrees don't require any
actual English writing training? I guess I'm not
surprised. My ladyfriend supervises early childhood
education candidates. College degrees, but many
write like a child, while the rest often write like
marketers. I suspect they also can't spell, but
they all use MS Word, so they don't need that skill.


They cant spell, sow they donut know if the word right, joust that
it be spelt rite.

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Old February 9th 19, 07:00 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Mayayana" on Sat, 9 Feb 2019 09:38:19 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't
be used:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...er/ba-p/331732

As with most Microsoft writing, it's poorly written, in a
conversational but quasi-technical style with clunky,
made-up terms thrown in.
For example, "technical debt" means existing reasons you
need to use IE. "Endpoints" means websites. I wish MS
would provide basic English classes for their employees.

The author is not pointing to the security
problems at all. He only points out that MS broke IE11
in terms of backward compatibility, paints that as a
good thing, and doesn't want you to blame MS for IE11
not working as expected. Of course, if IE11 was standards
compliant and still supported quirks mode by default, it
would be universally compatible. Instead, IE11 does neither.

Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge.
So the official MS position now is, "please don't use our
browsers online"! No problem, folks.


Weird it is.

I was a regular customer of TaxAct, till last year when it had to
have IE 11 installed or it would not work. Nope, wouldn't be prudent,
not gonna do it.

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Old February 9th 19, 07:07 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-02-09 09:38, Mayayana wrote:
[...]
I wish MS
would provide basic English classes for their employees.

[...]

The rot set in when universities dropped the Eng Lit requirement for all
degrees, and substituted "composition" classes.


I thought the distinction here was that "English Literature", per se, was to
acquaint you with the works of various authors, whereas "English
Composition", per se, was to teach you basic writing skills (incl. grammar,
spelling, and composition). That said, one could ask how can you learn the
latter, if you've never been exposed to the forme (English Literature) in
the first place.

I don't think it's my imagination, but I think student skills have been
slipping in both English and Math, over the past half century or so. In the
old days, I think one could be expected to write a decent resume, even after
graduating from high school. And students came out knowing their times
tables and basic (if not intermediate) algebra, but that was before the New
Math came into vogue.


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Old February 9th 19, 07:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 09:38:19 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't
be used:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...er/ba-p/331732

As with most Microsoft writing, it's poorly written, in a
conversational but quasi-technical style with clunky,
made-up terms thrown in.
For example, "technical debt" means existing reasons you
need to use IE. "Endpoints" means websites. I wish MS
would provide basic English classes for their employees.

The author is not pointing to the security
problems at all. He only points out that MS broke IE11
in terms of backward compatibility, paints that as a
good thing, and doesn't want you to blame MS for IE11
not working as expected. Of course, if IE11 was standards
compliant and still supported quirks mode by default, it
would be universally compatible. Instead, IE11 does neither.

Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge.
So the official MS position now is, "please don't use our
browsers online"! No problem, folks.



At work, they introduced Win 10 64 pro. Well, Edge keeps on crashing
and IT department refuses to install Firefox and have installed Google
Chrome.
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Old February 9th 19, 09:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 14:18:03 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:


BTW, the New Math was/is an attempt to teach math as a langauge, which
it is. Unfortunately, most people think that arithmetic is math. It
ain't.



I disagree. Arithmetic is far from being all of what mathematics is,
but it *is* a component of mathematics, even though it's the lowest
and easiest component.


Arithmetic is what the calculator does. Math is knowing which
buttons to push. Of course arithmetic skills are necessary to doing well
at math, but they are not sufficient.




I agree with that.
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Old February 9th 19, 10:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Dan" wrote

| At work, they introduced Win 10 64 pro. Well, Edge keeps on crashing
| and IT department refuses to install Firefox and have installed Google
| Chrome.

I wonder why that is. I would think Chrome would be
a corporate privacy issue. Do they install it because it's
what they use personally?


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Old February 9th 19, 10:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mayayana wrote:

Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't
be used:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...er/ba-p/331732

As with most Microsoft writing, it's poorly written, in a
conversational but quasi-technical style with clunky,
made-up terms thrown in.


It wasn't obvious to you that this was a *blog*? It is not a
journalistic report nor an official announcement. You think your posts
here would stand up to your same scrutiny?

For example, "technical debt" means existing reasons you
need to use IE. "Endpoints" means websites. I wish MS
would provide basic English classes for their employees.


As for "endpoints", IE is obviously a web browser that requires
networking and the hosts in a connection are often called endpoints
since, ahem, the hosts are the endpoints of the connection. Just saying
hosts for a connection can be confusing even more because those could
include the hosts in the routing of the connection (called hops).

I'm not familiar with the "technical debt" term; however, I don't
participate in that community and lingo is often related to the
community wherein it is used. I was sitting at a table with a bunch of
friends that were microbiologists or neurosurgeons, yep, they'd sound
like foreigners with all the terms they would bandy that is germaine to
their expertise. I've been told that when my friends and I are talking
around others not so into computers that we sound like foreigners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_debt

Looks like Chris (Principal Program Manager in the Experiences and
Devices Group) is using terms common within programmer circles.

Even you use terminology that is peculiar to the audience you address.

The author is not pointing to the security
problems at all. He only points out that MS broke IE11
in terms of backward compatibility, paints that as a
good thing, and doesn't want you to blame MS for IE11
not working as expected. Of course, if IE11 was standards
compliant and still supported quirks mode by default, it
would be universally compatible. Instead, IE11 does neither.

Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge.


BTW, Edge is moving to the Chromium engine.

https://www.techradar.com/news/micro...ng-to-chromium
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Old February 9th 19, 10:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Wolf K wrote:

The rot set in when universities dropped the Eng Lit requirement for all
degrees, and substituted "composition" classes.


Sorry, but you don't learn how to write in today's language by reading
Shakespeare. English Literature wasn't about teaching how to write.
Many people could read Dickens but they still couldn't write worth a
damn.

Even teaching grammar is insufficient if you want to understand English.
Grammar is just a set of common rules with lots of exceptions.
Linguistics taught you how the language worked; however, as I recall,
linguistics was not required in college, just the composition classes.
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Old February 9th 19, 10:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/9/2019 4:12 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Dan" wrote

| At work, they introduced Win 10 64 pro. Well, Edge keeps on crashing
| and IT department refuses to install Firefox and have installed Google
| Chrome.

I wonder why that is. I would think Chrome would be
a corporate privacy issue. Do they install it because it's
what they use personally?


Could be that they chose it because they understand that many major
browsers have adapted the underlying workings of Chrome rather than
stick with their own structure. We're in a downward spiral as a result
of the general acceptance of Google's proposed revised structure for the
internet.

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Old February 10th 19, 12:00 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 13:21:11 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 14:18:03 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:


BTW, the New Math was/is an attempt to teach math as a langauge, which
it is. Unfortunately, most people think that arithmetic is math. It
ain't.



I disagree. Arithmetic is far from being all of what mathematics is,
but it *is* a component of mathematics, even though it's the lowest
and easiest component.


Read all this again. You are not disagreeing with him.


Arithmetic is what the calculator does. Math is knowing which
buttons to push. Of course arithmetic skills are necessary to doing well
at math, but they are not sufficient.




I agree with that.


Because you also agreed with what he was at first saying.
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Old February 10th 19, 11:31 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 16:33:00 -0500, Neil
wrote:

On 2/9/2019 4:12 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Dan" wrote

| At work, they introduced Win 10 64 pro. Well, Edge keeps on crashing
| and IT department refuses to install Firefox and have installed Google
| Chrome.

I wonder why that is. I would think Chrome would be
a corporate privacy issue. Do they install it because it's
what they use personally?


Could be that they chose it because they understand that many major
browsers have adapted the underlying workings of Chrome rather than
stick with their own structure. We're in a downward spiral as a result
of the general acceptance of Google's proposed revised structure for the
internet.



Could be, since Firefox at leaet for me has been stable, so far. No or
very little tracking issues. I do use a lot of plug ins.
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Old February 10th 19, 01:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 19:46:42 -0500, Wolf K wrote:

IMO, Strunk & White's _Elements of Style_ is still the best short
guide to writing well available.


Yes no doubt it's Lee Child's bedtime reading.
 




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