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Old May 25th 18, 01:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Andy[_17_]
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Is it possible to get proof an email has been read?

I have no read receipt capability.

thanks,
Andy

I can get proof I sent it by sending a BCC copy to myself.
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Old May 25th 18, 01:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Shadow
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Default Proof email has been read

On Thu, 24 May 2018 17:13:50 -0700 (PDT), Andy
wrote:

Is it possible to get proof an email has been read?


Yes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_receipt

But only a crazy person would want that in his email client.
Imagine the email spambots getting data saying this or that message
had been read (sign of interest) or deleted unread (flagged as
uninterested).

I'd just ask the recipient to acknowledge he/she had received
it. Or even phone them, if it was important.

You could use the spam trick. Embed an image with an unique
URL in the body, and if the OP does not block loading images, you'd
get a hit when he/she opened the message.

e.g.

http://yourserver.com/john_doe/nice_cat222.png

Wouldn't stand up in court though.
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I have no read receipt capability.

thanks,
Andy

I can get proof I sent it by sending a BCC copy to myself.

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Old May 25th 18, 02:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Andy[_17_]
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Default Proof email has been read

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 7:40:23 PM UTC-5, Shadow wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2018 17:13:50 -0700 (PDT), Andy
wrote:

Is it possible to get proof an email has been read?


Yes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_receipt

But only a crazy person would want that in his email client.
Imagine the email spambots getting data saying this or that message
had been read (sign of interest) or deleted unread (flagged as
uninterested).

I'd just ask the recipient to acknowledge he/she had received
it. Or even phone them, if it was important.

You could use the spam trick. Embed an image with an unique
URL in the body, and if the OP does not block loading images, you'd
get a hit when he/she opened the message.

e.g.

http://yourserver.com/john_doe/nice_cat222.png

Wouldn't stand up in court though.
[]'s


I have no read receipt capability.

thanks,
Andy

I can get proof I sent it by sending a BCC copy to myself.

--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012


Could you give more details on embedding an image with a url?

Thanks.
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Old May 25th 18, 06:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Proof email has been read

In message , Andy
writes:
On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 7:40:23 PM UTC-5, Shadow wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2018 17:13:50 -0700 (PDT), Andy
wrote:

Is it possible to get proof an email has been read?

[]
You could use the spam trick. Embed an image with an unique
URL in the body, and if the OP does not block loading images, you'd
get a hit when he/she opened the message.

[]
Could you give more details on embedding an image with a url?

Thanks.


Basically, you embed a unique link, in your email, to an image (the
image doesn't have to be unique, only the link - i. e. all the links can
link to the same image). It does rely on the recipient having his email
client set to retrieve online images when embedded in emails though; a
lot of people turn that off, either specifically to frustrate such
checking, or because some companies abuse it.

There's at least one company that will provide such monitoring - free
for home use; my blind friend uses it. Unfortunately I can't remember
the name of the company (it had mail in it!); their window and tray icon
looked like a medical capsule. The disadvantage of using such a service
is that they can collect data on all your emails, so if you're paranoid
about that, you can't use them. Basically, it just adds a line that
looks like "### has informed the sender that this email has been read"
to the end of your outgoing emails, where ### is a link to a little
image of an envelope with the company's name on it; if the recipient has
left the fetching of embedded emails turned on, then when they read the
email, when their client fetches the little logo, the monitoring
company's server registers their fetch, and emails you to tell you
they've read it.

Of course, as well as needing them to have fetching images left on and
the concerns about snooping, all it tells you is that the email has been
_opened_; it doesn't tell whether the recipient actually _read_ it (or
read all of it)!

(For that reason alone, what another has said - that it wouldn't hold up
in court - holds.)
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Old May 25th 18, 07:59 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Proof email has been read

Il giorno Fri 25 May 2018 02:13:50a, *Andy* ha inviato su
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general il messaggio news:314d64ec-8794-4e4f-
. Vediamo cosa ha scritto:


Is it possible to get proof an email has been read?



in Italy we have PEC

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posta_...ca_certificata
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certified_email

it works and is valid only if both sender and recipient are using PEC

PEC is mandatory for all companies, not for private users


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Old May 25th 18, 08:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Il giorno Fri 25 May 2018 08:59:16a, *Ammammata* ha inviato su
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general il messaggio
. 67.112. Vediamo cosa ha
scritto:

in Italy we have PEC


also Switzerland and Hong Kong have something similar

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Old May 25th 18, 09:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Proof email has been read

Andy,

Is it possible to get proof an email has been read?


*Proof* ? No.

Why ? Because it depends on cooperation of the email-reader of the
recipient. My email reader for example does not support it (and if it
would I would have disabled it. :-) ).

I have no read receipt capability.


That feature would just just enable you to include a *request* for read
confirmation. It in no way can force it (see above).

I can get proof I sent it by sending a BCC copy to myself.


Proof of what ? Not that the recipient has read your message, thats for
sure.

You see, It just confirms that the (SMTP) server (owned by your ISP ?) you
send your email to has received it. It does not even guarantee that the
message will even reach the recipients (POP3/IMAP/other) server.

Think of it this way: You have a package that you are dropping off at the
postal office, and you get a slip indicating they accepted the package.
Does that proof that whomever you addressed the package to received it ? I
don't think so. :-)


As for the "trick" to send HTML-ed mail including a(n invisible) picture
thats hosted on a server you control (and someone requesting that picture
shows the person has opened your message) ? That also depends on the
recipients email reader cooperating. For example, I read my mails
text-only. That means that I could read your message without making you
any wiser to that fact ...

Besides, being able to detect an embedded image having been loaded does not
proof that the message itself has actually been read.
Anti-virus/malware/etc programs anyone ? (which could easily prefetch
resources, and depending on the contents even quarantine, or even downright
delete messages)

tl;dr:

No. It is not possible to generate any kind of (dependable) proof that an
email message you send has actually been read.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old May 25th 18, 12:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Andy[_17_]
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Default Proof email has been read

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 3:24:55 AM UTC-5, R.Wieser wrote:
Andy,

Is it possible to get proof an email has been read?


*Proof* ? No.

Why ? Because it depends on cooperation of the email-reader of the
recipient. My email reader for example does not support it (and if it
would I would have disabled it. :-) ).

I have no read receipt capability.


That feature would just just enable you to include a *request* for read
confirmation. It in no way can force it (see above).

I can get proof I sent it by sending a BCC copy to myself.


Proof of what ? Not that the recipient has read your message, thats for
sure.

You see, It just confirms that the (SMTP) server (owned by your ISP ?) you
send your email to has received it. It does not even guarantee that the
message will even reach the recipients (POP3/IMAP/other) server.

Think of it this way: You have a package that you are dropping off at the
postal office, and you get a slip indicating they accepted the package.
Does that proof that whomever you addressed the package to received it ? I
don't think so. :-)


As for the "trick" to send HTML-ed mail including a(n invisible) picture
thats hosted on a server you control (and someone requesting that picture
shows the person has opened your message) ? That also depends on the
recipients email reader cooperating. For example, I read my mails
text-only. That means that I could read your message without making you
any wiser to that fact ...

Besides, being able to detect an embedded image having been loaded does not
proof that the message itself has actually been read.
Anti-virus/malware/etc programs anyone ? (which could easily prefetch
resources, and depending on the contents even quarantine, or even downright
delete messages)

tl;dr:

No. It is not possible to generate any kind of (dependable) proof that an
email message you send has actually been read.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


Thanks Rudy for the info.

Andy
 




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