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SD card undelete
Any ideas about this? I've downloaded Kickass,
which is OSS. Right now I'm on my 3rd attempt to try a free commercial product. I'm currently trying Recuva. So far I've tried EaseUS and Minitool. Both were "free". Neither spoke of limitations anywhere I could find. Both found deleted files. But then they announced I could only retrieve 500 MB or 1 GB, respectively, with the "free" version. Buy Now! Buy Now! They're actually both just trialware posing as free. (And not cheap!) These things have become so oily that it's impossible to figure out what's actually free without wasting a lot of time. Surely there must be a known, best-of, free product for recovering deleted file? |
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"Mayayana" wrote in message news Any ideas about this? I've downloaded Kickass, which is OSS. Right now I'm on my 3rd attempt to try a free commercial product. I'm currently trying Recuva. So far I've tried EaseUS and Minitool. Both were "free". Neither spoke of limitations anywhere I could find. Both found deleted files. But then they announced I could only retrieve 500 MB or 1 GB, respectively, with the "free" version. Buy Now! Buy Now! They're actually both just trialware posing as free. (And not cheap!) These things have become so oily that it's impossible to figure out what's actually free without wasting a lot of time. Surely there must be a known, best-of, free product for recovering deleted file? Well, EaseUS has one. Not free but they offer money back if it doesn't recover. They couldn't, they did but only after massive amounts of kicking and screaming. |
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On 27/05/2018 20:37, dadiOH wrote:
"Mayayana" wrote in message news Any ideas about this? I've downloaded Kickass, which is OSS. Right now I'm on my 3rd attempt to try a free commercial product. I'm currently trying Recuva. So far I've tried EaseUS and Minitool. Both were "free". Neither spoke of limitations anywhere I could find. Both found deleted files. But then they announced I could only retrieve 500 MB or 1 GB, respectively, with the "free" version. Buy Now! Buy Now! They're actually both just trialware posing as free. (And not cheap!) These things have become so oily that it's impossible to figure out what's actually free without wasting a lot of time. Surely there must be a known, best-of, free product for recovering deleted file? Well, EaseUS has one. Not free but they offer money back if it doesn't recover. They couldn't, they did but only after massive amounts of kicking and screaming. I use the EasUS one. No problems, works allways. And - if you want something good, you'll have to pay for it. Fokke |
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On Sun, 27 May 2018 14:07:32 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote: Any ideas about this? I've downloaded Kickass, which is OSS. Right now I'm on my 3rd attempt to try a free commercial product. I'm currently trying Recuva. So far I've tried EaseUS and Minitool. Both were "free". Neither spoke of limitations anywhere I could find. Both found deleted files. But then they announced I could only retrieve 500 MB or 1 GB, respectively, with the "free" version. Buy Now! Buy Now! They're actually both just trialware posing as free. (And not cheap!) These things have become so oily that it's impossible to figure out what's actually free without wasting a lot of time. Surely there must be a known, best-of, free product for recovering deleted file? First make a backup of that SD card. USB Imagetool http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtreeview_e.html#download (needs uggh .NET) or PassMark's offering https://www.osforensics.com/tools/write-usb-images.html (you can always do a hex search of the image if the card goes plonk) Both are free. Then (and only then) try Recuva. Good luck. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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"Mayayana" wrote
....... Interesting results here. EaseUS sess all the files, takes a ridiculous amount of time, but will recover up to 500 MB. Con: $70 to do more. YThat seems absurd for a FAT32 analyzer. There must be something else free that can do the same thing. Recuva, Minitool and Kickass all found olny corrupt files. Minitool claimed to save out 1 GB worth but they were all nonsense. So I'm still looking for a highly competent, free undelete. I don't mind paying for important software, but recovering deleted files shouldn't be so expensive and I can't believe that someone hasn't created a free version. On the bright side, I have an SD card to experiment with. Anything that can find all those photos for free wins the contest. |
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On Sun, 27 May 2018 16:30:29 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote: "Mayayana" wrote ...... Interesting results here. EaseUS sess all the files, takes a ridiculous amount of time, but will recover up to 500 MB. Con: $70 to do more. YThat seems absurd for a FAT32 analyzer. There must be something else free that can do the same thing. Recuva, Minitool and Kickass all found olny corrupt files. Minitool claimed to save out 1 GB worth but they were all nonsense. So I'm still looking for a highly competent, free undelete. I don't mind paying for important software, but recovering deleted files shouldn't be so expensive and I can't believe that someone hasn't created a free version. On the bright side, I have an SD card to experiment with. Anything that can find all those photos for free wins the contest. If you made an image of the card you can try all sorts of software, and if they mess up just burn the image back to the SD. Both image softwares I mentioned copy ALL the sectors, even the gibberish ones. If you just deleted, I can't understand why Recuva didn't work. It's never failed me. OTOH, if you deleted and then took more pictures, the original ones are probably overwritten and unreadable. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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Mayayana wrote:
"Mayayana" wrote ...... Interesting results here. EaseUS sess all the files, takes a ridiculous amount of time, but will recover up to 500 MB. Con: $70 to do more. YThat seems absurd for a FAT32 analyzer. There must be something else free that can do the same thing. Recuva, Minitool and Kickass all found olny corrupt files. Minitool claimed to save out 1 GB worth but they were all nonsense. So I'm still looking for a highly competent, free undelete. I don't mind paying for important software, but recovering deleted files shouldn't be so expensive and I can't believe that someone hasn't created a free version. On the bright side, I have an SD card to experiment with. Anything that can find all those photos for free wins the contest. The claim here, is it works on FAT. No mention of NTFS ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undeletion I tried this one in a simple test, and it worked. But the test case was carefully controlled or contrived, so it couldn't help but get the right result :-) https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec (Doesn't rely on file system) Here is another. https://www.ccleaner.com/recuva Seems to offer a free version. No indication it springs they ole "$39.95 please" trick. In the picture here, the "red" entries indicate cluster overlap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recuva Yes, you can flip the single byte that controls deletion in a FAT entry, but if the cluster numbers in that entry happen to overlap, that means a write done after the deletion, has reused the clusters already. Even if the FAT entry itself is still intact. I had some other tool, which I can't find a reference to now, that has text for each file, with words like "good" indicating no cluster overlap and damage due to subsequent write operations. And this is where programs like Photorec take over. They might not even rely on the FAT, instead scanning for identifying information. But if the files are fragmented, and don't fit a single cluster, then you can't expect the files to make any sense. The information inside a file, probably isn't sufficient to reassemble all the pieces. Only a file format that made some assumptions about storage could do that. Like writing a GUID into every 4KB segment or something. And I'm not aware of any file formats that do that. So if Recuva showed "Red" for everything, or a text listing of files indicates "Bad" or "overlap" or the like, then probably too many writes have been done to the partition, since the event. If I was doing that here, I'd probably "image" the SD to a file and work on the "image" rather than the SD itself. As any scans might work faster. And getting that to work, would be its own little project, since the typical imaging situation only captures "visible" files when imaging. If using Macrium, Smart Copy would have to be turned off, and I've been let down by tools and their "dumb copy" option before. If a dumb copy takes two hours normally, and some tool does it in only ten minutes, then you know the tool doesn't actually work properly. Paul |
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"Mayayana" wrote:
Interesting results here. EaseUS sess all the files, takes a ridiculous amount of time, but will recover up to 500 MB. Con: $70 to do more. YThat seems absurd for a FAT32 analyzer. There must be something else free that can do the same thing. If the files were deleted normally the chain of pointers to clusters in the file allocation table will have been zeroed and all you will have is the erased directory entry which contains the first cluster number of the file. So, providing the drive has not been subsequently written to, you can only be sure of recovering the contents of the first cluster of each file. If file_size = cluster_size then you can recover the whole file. Otherwise, if the file was fragmented (not stored in contiguous clusters) you won't be able to recover the pieces automatically. Recuva, Minitool and Kickass all found olny corrupt files. Minitool claimed to save out 1 GB worth but they were all nonsense. As you can see, there's no guarantee you will get them back. I do know that Win 2000 corrupted one of the bits (or bytes) of the first cluster number in the deleted directory entry so that made it more tricky. I don't know if later OS's corrected this. So I'm still looking for a highly competent, free undelete. I don't mind paying for important software, but recovering deleted files shouldn't be so expensive and I can't believe that someone hasn't created a free version. On the bright side, I have an SD card to experiment with. Anything that can find all those photos for free wins the contest. In the old days I used Norton Utilities 4.5 to recover a whole FAT 16 hard disk (probably about 20 MB) manually. It had recently been defragmented so I succeeded but it took ages because I checked that every recovered file was valid. |
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"Shadow" wrote
| If you just deleted, I can't understand why Recuva didn't | work. It's never failed me. OTOH, if you deleted and then took more | pictures, the original ones are probably overwritten and unreadable. They were only deleted. I don't understand that myself. The only thing I could think was that maybe EaseUS somehow affected the layout so that other software got confused. But I don't see any reason it might do that. The images were just copied, then deleted, then the card wasn't used again. |
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"Apd" wrote
| If the files were deleted normally the chain of pointers to clusters | in the file allocation table will have been zeroed and all you will | have is the erased directory entry which contains the first cluster | number of the file. So, providing the drive has not been subsequently | written to, you can only be sure of recovering the contents of the | first cluster of each file. Makes sense. Yet the files are mostly 5-6 MB, much bigger than clusters. And EaseUS successfully recovered all of the most recently saved files -- about 1 GB worth. Yet none of the other programs did. | In the old days I used Norton Utilities 4.5 to recover a | whole FAT 16 hard disk (probably about 20 MB) manually. | It had recently been defragmented so I succeeded but it took | ages because I checked that every recovered file was valid. | That usually seems to work well. But isn't that just a matter of finding the partition boundaries, while the file allocation table is still intact? |
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Mayayana wrote:
"Shadow" wrote | If you just deleted, I can't understand why Recuva didn't | work. It's never failed me. OTOH, if you deleted and then took more | pictures, the original ones are probably overwritten and unreadable. They were only deleted. I don't understand that myself. The only thing I could think was that maybe EaseUS somehow affected the layout so that other software got confused. But I don't see any reason it might do that. The images were just copied, then deleted, then the card wasn't used again. This is why I like to make sector-by-sector copies of stuff needing repair, if I can. This might be able to convert a "dd" copy to another more usable format. This tool is packed with something so I'd need WINE to take it apart for a look. Really, this is the sort of thing that should be command-line. http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...onverter.shtml Paul |
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Mayayana wrote:
"Shadow" wrote | If you just deleted, I can't understand why Recuva didn't | work. It's never failed me. OTOH, if you deleted and then took more | pictures, the original ones are probably overwritten and unreadable. They were only deleted. I don't understand that myself. The only thing I could think was that maybe EaseUS somehow affected the layout so that other software got confused. But I don't see any reason it might do that. The images were just copied, then deleted, then the card wasn't used again. https://download.cnet.com/EaseUS-Dat...-75184619.html "This software doesn't work. It will "recover" your file (but only the file name) and corrupt it beyond repair. You'll never get it open, even if you use other software to recover raw deleted data to piece it back together." So at least one reviewer there, seems to feel it has side effects. Normally, for data recovery, the source volume would be treated read-only. It would require some testing with a clean setup, to see what it had done to the file it was working on. Paul |
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"Mayayana" wrote:
"Apd" wrote | In the old days I used Norton Utilities 4.5 to recover a | whole FAT 16 hard disk (probably about 20 MB) manually. | It had recently been defragmented so I succeeded but it took | ages because I checked that every recovered file was valid. | That usually seems to work well. But isn't that just a matter of finding the partition boundaries, while the file allocation table is still intact? The FAT isn't intact when the file is deleted - the cluster chain for that file is zeroed. All you have is the first cluster number in the old directory entry. Unless it offers you a manual method, all an undelete utility can do is assume the file was not fragmented and keep adding next available clusters (from its starting cluster) until the size (also in the old dir entry) plus slack space is reached. If you made a backup of the FAT before deleting and the utility is able to make use of it then you have no problem. FAT 32 does keep a second copy of the FAT but normal deletion will zero that also. The Norton advanced recovery would step through each erased directory entry allowing you to add clusters automatically or select them yourself. In either case, before saving, you could inspect the contents of each one and try alternatives if the file didn't look right. |
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On Sun, 27 May 2018 17:45:01 -0400, Paul
wrote: If I was doing that here, I'd probably "image" the SD to a file and work on the "image" rather than the SD itself. Why I recommended using PassMark's portable tool to make a backup byte by byte image before trying anything else. https://www.osforensics.com/tools/write-usb-images.html You can write it back to the card (or another one if the first one is failing) without messing up the original. I've never tried mounting the image, but it should be possible. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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"Paul" wrote
| | https://download.cnet.com/EaseUS-Dat...-75184619.html | | "This software doesn't work. It will "recover" your file | (but only the file name) and corrupt it beyond repair. | You'll never get it open, even if you use other software | to recover raw deleted data to piece it back together." | | So at least one reviewer there, seems to feel it has side effects. | I take those things with a grain of salt. Like someone who's never boiled water reviewing a special frying pan: "Junk! It burns everything!" EaseUS did find all the images and easily retrieved the recent ones.... within the demo limitations. But it's good to know. On the other hand, it seems like there are two likely conclusions: Only EaseUS works really well, or EaseUS corrupted the data so that I'd have to buy the product in order to get the images. The second possibility seems farfetched. It's hard to imagine them getting away with that. (Though I didn't check the EULA to see whether it says,"By using this product you agree that we will hold your data hostage and ruin your disks." .....So who knows?) I don't really get why you and Shadow both talk about backing up a byte-by-byte image. I suppose that never hurts, but I was really just interested in something that can retrieve deleted files. Either they can be accessed or they can't. I'm still hoping to find the ultimate, super-duper, OSS option to test that on the SD card before using it again. I'm finding it hard to believe that such basic operations as retrieving deleted files can only be done by one $70 program. | Normally, for data recovery, the source volume would be treated | read-only. | | It would require some testing with a clean setup, to see | what it had done to the file it was working on. | That would be beyond my expertise or curiosity. There's not enough longterm usefulness for me to buckle down and start learning how to analyze storage bytes and master FAT32 formatting. But if you do it, please let us know. |
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