Diskeeper

Gianni wrote:
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"Gianni" wrote in message
...
Jose wrote:
On May 19, 6:12 pm, Gianni wrote:
Gerry wrote:
Gianni
When Diskeeper is installed it changes a key in the Windows Registry
thereby disabling the Disk Defragmenter provided by Microsoft with
Windows XP. Uninstalling Diskeeper should reverse the change. There is
a
FAQ on the Diskeeper web site teling how the change can be manually
reversed if the uninstall does not do what it should do.
Thanks.

I was able to remove Diskeeper and
bring up the built-in version.

Diskeeper was bothering me because
it had an icon on the task bar. Now and
then a second icon would appear and
I hadn't used Diskeeper. So it made me
think that there was something running
in the background that I hadn't started.
You can have your cake and eat it too.

It is easy to restore the original XP defrag program to the System
Tools options and still have Diskeeper installed to use whenever you
want. Easy. Is that what you need?

I don't remember all the DK options but when you install it you choose
to have it run automatically (Set it and Forget it), which runs
constantly in the background all the time. (I would not go for this) -
or only on demand. Their installation installs what it thinks you
probably want, but you can change it. Install it, configure it, put
the start icon on your desktop, in some folder or add it to a menu and
run it wherever you get the urge.

If you see a DK icon in the Notification Area (next to the clock) or
in the Quick Launch area (next to the Start button), and it confuses
or bothers you, that can be dealt with easily.

Jose
Yes. You've caught the gist of what
was bothering me and what I wanted to
do.

I have removed Diskeeper. I don't
want it back.

You could have gone into Diskeeper preferences and removed the option to run
in the background..


You have answered another question
that I had about stopping the running
in the background. Thank you.

You could solve the problem altogether by not worrying about defragging.
In most cases, it doesn't help anything.

Gianni wrote:
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"Gianni" wrote in message
...
Jose wrote:
On May 19, 6:12 pm, Gianni wrote:
Gerry wrote:
Gianni
When Diskeeper is installed it changes a key in the Windows Registry
thereby disabling the Disk Defragmenter provided by Microsoft with
Windows XP. Uninstalling Diskeeper should reverse the change. There is
a
FAQ on the Diskeeper web site teling how the change can be manually
reversed if the uninstall does not do what it should do.
Thanks.

I was able to remove Diskeeper and
bring up the built-in version.

Diskeeper was bothering me because
it had an icon on the task bar. Now and
then a second icon would appear and
I hadn't used Diskeeper. So it made me
think that there was something running
in the background that I hadn't started.
You can have your cake and eat it too.

It is easy to restore the original XP defrag program to the System
Tools options and still have Diskeeper installed to use whenever you
want. Easy. Is that what you need?

I don't remember all the DK options but when you install it you choose
to have it run automatically (Set it and Forget it), which runs
constantly in the background all the time. (I would not go for this) -
or only on demand. Their installation installs what it thinks you
probably want, but you can change it. Install it, configure it, put
the start icon on your desktop, in some folder or add it to a menu and
run it wherever you get the urge.

If you see a DK icon in the Notification Area (next to the clock) or
in the Quick Launch area (next to the Start button), and it confuses
or bothers you, that can be dealt with easily.

Jose
Yes. You've caught the gist of what
was bothering me and what I wanted to
do.

I have removed Diskeeper. I don't
want it back.

You could have gone into Diskeeper preferences and removed the option to run
in the background..


You have answered another question
that I had about stopping the running
in the background. Thank you.

You could solve the problem altogether by not worrying about defragging.
In most cases, it doesn't help anything.

Ian D wrote:
"Jose" wrote in message
...
On May 19, 4:31 pm, Gianni wrote:
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

"Gianni" wrote in message
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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"Gianni" wrote in message
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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"Gianni" wrote in message
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ColTom2 wrote:
Hi:
Diskeeper is a separate application from Windows Defragmenter. To
access
Windows Defragmenter go to StartAll ProgramsAccessoriesSystem
ToolsDisk
Defragmenter. Or Run dfrg.msc.
ColTom2
I just tried dfrg.msc and it
brought me into Diskeeper
again.
What do I do now?
Uninstall Diskeeper in ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS and the original XP
defragmenter
will reappear..
The Microsoft Support message
Disk Defragmenter MMC is based on the
full retail version of Executive
Software Diskeeper. The version that is
included with Windows XP and later
provides limited functionality in
maintaining disk performance by
defragmenting volumes that use the FAT,
FAT32, or NTFS file system.
seems to indicate that Diskeeper is the
original XP defragmenter.
The defragger in Windows XP is loosely based on Diskeeper..
When Diskeeper is installed, it sees itself as an UPGRADE to the XP
defragger, disables it, and takes over all defrag duties.
If you uninstall the Diskeeper that appears in add/remove programs,
you
will
be left with the defragger which comes as part of XP..
Please read the three paragraphs above until you you finally
understand..
Mike,
Thank you. I just posted the question that
you answered so well. I can follow the logic
although I may not agree with it.
Which part do you not agree with?
I don't agree with hiding the basic version
that comes with Windows. They should both
be available just as IE is available if
I use
another browser.

Here is my .02...

You do not say how you want to use the XP defragmenter, but let's say
you are going to Start, Programs, Accessories, System Tools, and
running Disk Defragmenter.

Right Click Disk Defragmenter, and choose Properties, does the Target
field look like this:

%SystemRoot%\System32\dfrg.msc

dfrg.msc is the built in XP defragmenter. See how it is in the
System32 folder with all the other XP stuff?

When you get to your disk(s) through My Computer... Properties, Tools
it also runs dfrg.msc.

I don't use DK, so I suspect if it gets installed and choose Disk
Defragmenter and DK runs instead of the XP verision, DK changed these
Targets to run the DK version instead of dfrg.msc. That would be a
quick and easy, sneaky change. Nothing gets deleted, nothing gets
hidden, nothing gets renamed. Only the Targets get changed. All the
XP stuff is still there, but now when you choose a defrag operation,
DK runs instead of dfrg.msc.

You can also go to Start, Run and enter dfrg.msc to always run the XP
defragmenter (or lots of programs).

If you want to use DK, go ahead! You can choose to not have it start
automatically and if it replaces dfrg.msc in your Tools Target, change
it back. Is there a "make this by default defragmenter" option
perhaps? Run DK whenever you feel the need. Some people swear by
DK. Some people swear at it.

Since I don't use DK, if somebody has it installed, they can check if
those options launch DK instead of dfrg.msc and check the Properties
to see if DK changed them. It is easy to make a change to run any
program you want when you choose Disk Defragmenter.

You can certainly have more than 1 browser installed and still use
IE. I prefer Firefox and you can make it your "default" browser so
every time you click a link it will run FF instead of IE, but you can
change it back anytime you want (but you probably won't want to make
IE your default anymore).

There are times you must run IE - not surprisingly, some Microsoft
pages don't work with Firefox, so I would never uninstall IE and
installing FF will leave IE just fine for when you need it.

Now I have to add defragmenter to my spelling dictionary.

Jose

I have Diskeeper. Even if you type dfrg.msc, or double click
dfrg.msc in system32, Diskeeper starts. The dfrg.msc file is
intact, but the call is redirected to Diskeeper at the registry
level. The reason for this, Diskeeper uses more advanced
defragmentation algorithms for better system performance,
and mixing in use of the XP defragmenter would interfere
with this.


Jose,

My experience was the same as Ian's. No
matter how I ran
the defragmenter, I always ended up with
Diskeeper. Someone
explained that Diskeeper was considered
an upgrade from
the Window's default.

I removed Diskeeper and I have the
default defragmenter now.

Gianni

Ian D wrote:
"Jose" wrote in message
...
On May 19, 4:31 pm, Gianni wrote:
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

"Gianni" wrote in message
...
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"Gianni" wrote in message
...
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"Gianni" wrote in message
...
ColTom2 wrote:
Hi:
Diskeeper is a separate application from Windows Defragmenter. To
access
Windows Defragmenter go to StartAll ProgramsAccessoriesSystem
ToolsDisk
Defragmenter. Or Run dfrg.msc.
ColTom2
I just tried dfrg.msc and it
brought me into Diskeeper
again.
What do I do now?
Uninstall Diskeeper in ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS and the original XP
defragmenter
will reappear..
The Microsoft Support message
Disk Defragmenter MMC is based on the
full retail version of Executive
Software Diskeeper. The version that is
included with Windows XP and later
provides limited functionality in
maintaining disk performance by
defragmenting volumes that use the FAT,
FAT32, or NTFS file system.
seems to indicate that Diskeeper is the
original XP defragmenter.
The defragger in Windows XP is loosely based on Diskeeper..
When Diskeeper is installed, it sees itself as an UPGRADE to the XP
defragger, disables it, and takes over all defrag duties.
If you uninstall the Diskeeper that appears in add/remove programs,
you
will
be left with the defragger which comes as part of XP..
Please read the three paragraphs above until you you finally
understand..
Mike,
Thank you. I just posted the question that
you answered so well. I can follow the logic
although I may not agree with it.
Which part do you not agree with?
I don't agree with hiding the basic version
that comes with Windows. They should both
be available just as IE is available if
I use
another browser.

Here is my .02...

You do not say how you want to use the XP defragmenter, but let's say
you are going to Start, Programs, Accessories, System Tools, and
running Disk Defragmenter.

Right Click Disk Defragmenter, and choose Properties, does the Target
field look like this:

%SystemRoot%\System32\dfrg.msc

dfrg.msc is the built in XP defragmenter. See how it is in the
System32 folder with all the other XP stuff?

When you get to your disk(s) through My Computer... Properties, Tools
it also runs dfrg.msc.

I don't use DK, so I suspect if it gets installed and choose Disk
Defragmenter and DK runs instead of the XP verision, DK changed these
Targets to run the DK version instead of dfrg.msc. That would be a
quick and easy, sneaky change. Nothing gets deleted, nothing gets
hidden, nothing gets renamed. Only the Targets get changed. All the
XP stuff is still there, but now when you choose a defrag operation,
DK runs instead of dfrg.msc.

You can also go to Start, Run and enter dfrg.msc to always run the XP
defragmenter (or lots of programs).

If you want to use DK, go ahead! You can choose to not have it start
automatically and if it replaces dfrg.msc in your Tools Target, change
it back. Is there a "make this by default defragmenter" option
perhaps? Run DK whenever you feel the need. Some people swear by
DK. Some people swear at it.

Since I don't use DK, if somebody has it installed, they can check if
those options launch DK instead of dfrg.msc and check the Properties
to see if DK changed them. It is easy to make a change to run any
program you want when you choose Disk Defragmenter.

You can certainly have more than 1 browser installed and still use
IE. I prefer Firefox and you can make it your "default" browser so
every time you click a link it will run FF instead of IE, but you can
change it back anytime you want (but you probably won't want to make
IE your default anymore).

There are times you must run IE - not surprisingly, some Microsoft
pages don't work with Firefox, so I would never uninstall IE and
installing FF will leave IE just fine for when you need it.

Now I have to add defragmenter to my spelling dictionary.

Jose

I have Diskeeper. Even if you type dfrg.msc, or double click
dfrg.msc in system32, Diskeeper starts. The dfrg.msc file is
intact, but the call is redirected to Diskeeper at the registry
level. The reason for this, Diskeeper uses more advanced
defragmentation algorithms for better system performance,
and mixing in use of the XP defragmenter would interfere
with this.


Jose,

My experience was the same as Ian's. No
matter how I ran
the defragmenter, I always ended up with
Diskeeper. Someone
explained that Diskeeper was considered
an upgrade from
the Window's default.

I removed Diskeeper and I have the
default defragmenter now.

Gianni