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WOW You guys are OLD! :-)
Did you grow up using an abacus? jk "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in message ... Hey, Jim: http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm -- Michael Solomon MS-MVP Windows Shell/User Backup is a PC User's Best Friend DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a Curta calculator? "wojo" wrote in message ... | You guys are OLD | LOL | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. Did any of you grow up | with an abacus? jk | | "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message | ... | In , | Hemlock typed: | | I believe it was a | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | I remember both those names well, although they were a little | before my time. I never worked on either. I started programming | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | -- | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | |
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Hey, I never said I was old enough to have used it....but um, the flip side
is, I'm so old I can remember doing calculations with pencil and paper!:-) -- Michael Solomon MS-MVP Windows Shell/User Backup is a PC User's Best Friend DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ "wojo" wrote in message ... WOW You guys are OLD! :-) Did you grow up using an abacus? jk "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in message ... Hey, Jim: http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm -- Michael Solomon MS-MVP Windows Shell/User Backup is a PC User's Best Friend DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a Curta calculator? "wojo" wrote in message ... | You guys are OLD | LOL | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. Did any of you grow up | with an abacus? jk | | "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message | ... | In , | Hemlock typed: | | I believe it was a | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | I remember both those names well, although they were a little | before my time. I never worked on either. I started programming | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | -- | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | |
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I remember round cards that were punched by hand, teletypes,
oblong Holerith cards. RCA made a race unit - random access card engine, the data store looked like a punched card with magnetic strip. It was selected pulled by belts and vacuum down a slot to a drum and then read while spinning, then returned to the original location. All this took 10- 20 seconds. Application was for Washington Gaslight Co. 11 and H downtown DC. We were lucky to get one turn around a day. Never could get an abacus to work for me, more than one moving part. smile Hemlock On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:56:07 GMT, "wojo" wrote: WOW You guys are OLD! :-) Did you grow up using an abacus? jk "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in message ... Hey, Jim: http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm -- Michael Solomon MS-MVP Windows Shell/User Backup is a PC User's Best Friend DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a Curta calculator? "wojo" wrote in message ... | You guys are OLD | LOL | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. Did any of you grow up | with an abacus? jk | | "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message | ... | In , | Hemlock typed: | | I believe it was a | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | I remember both those names well, although they were a little | before my time. I never worked on either. I started programming | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | -- | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | |
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Thanks. My dad bought one in the 50s or 60s and after he
died I got it. Case looks like a hand grenade case. Works fine nut TI SR10 was cheaper and faster. I wonder what my dad would think about a TI83 or HP 48? "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in message ... | Hey, Jim: | http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm | | -- | Michael Solomon MS-MVP | Windows Shell/User | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a Curta | calculator? | | | "wojo" wrote in message | ... | | You guys are OLD | | LOL | | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. Did any | of you grow up | | with an abacus? jk | | | | "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote | in message | | ... | | In , | | Hemlock typed: | | | | I believe it was a | | | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | | | | I remember both those names well, although they were a | little | | before my time. I never worked on either. I started | programming | | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | | | -- | | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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I'm only 58, going on 17...as soon as I am 17 legally I can
date teenager girls again, lots more fun 40 years ago before HIV. "wojo" wrote in message ... | WOW You guys are OLD! :-) | Did you grow up using an abacus? jk | | "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in | message ... | Hey, Jim: | http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm | | -- | Michael Solomon MS-MVP | Windows Shell/User | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a Curta | calculator? | | | "wojo" wrote in message | ... | | You guys are OLD | | LOL | | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. Did any | of you grow up | | with an abacus? jk | | | | "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote | in message | | ... | | In , | | Hemlock typed: | | | | I believe it was a | | | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | | | | I remember both those names well, although they were a | little | | before my time. I never worked on either. I started | programming | | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | | | -- | | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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School list for 4th grade includes a calculator!
LOL "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in message ... Hey, I never said I was old enough to have used it....but um, the flip side is, I'm so old I can remember doing calculations with pencil and paper!:-) -- Michael Solomon MS-MVP Windows Shell/User Backup is a PC User's Best Friend DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ "wojo" wrote in message ... WOW You guys are OLD! :-) Did you grow up using an abacus? jk "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in message ... Hey, Jim: http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm -- Michael Solomon MS-MVP Windows Shell/User Backup is a PC User's Best Friend DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a Curta calculator? "wojo" wrote in message ... | You guys are OLD | LOL | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. Did any of you grow up | with an abacus? jk | | "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message | ... | In , | Hemlock typed: | | I believe it was a | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | I remember both those names well, although they were a little | before my time. I never worked on either. I started programming | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | -- | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | |
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I remember those from history class
"Hemlock" wrote in message ... I remember round cards that were punched by hand, teletypes, oblong Holerith cards. RCA made a race unit - random access card engine, the data store looked like a punched card with magnetic strip. It was selected pulled by belts and vacuum down a slot to a drum and then read while spinning, then returned to the original location. All this took 10- 20 seconds. Application was for Washington Gaslight Co. 11 and H downtown DC. We were lucky to get one turn around a day. Never could get an abacus to work for me, more than one moving part. smile Hemlock On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:56:07 GMT, "wojo" wrote: WOW You guys are OLD! :-) Did you grow up using an abacus? jk "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in message ... Hey, Jim: http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm -- Michael Solomon MS-MVP Windows Shell/User Backup is a PC User's Best Friend DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a Curta calculator? "wojo" wrote in message ... | You guys are OLD | LOL | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. Did any of you grow up | with an abacus? jk | | "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message | ... | In , | Hemlock typed: | | I believe it was a | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | I remember both those names well, although they were a little | before my time. I never worked on either. I started programming | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | -- | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | |
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I'm 35 going on 21. Don't want to give up legally drinking etc...
Dating teenage girls is scary. They make them different than when we were all kids. Can't tell the difference w/o carding them 1st! "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... I'm only 58, going on 17...as soon as I am 17 legally I can date teenager girls again, lots more fun 40 years ago before HIV. "wojo" wrote in message ... | WOW You guys are OLD! :-) | Did you grow up using an abacus? jk | | "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in | message ... | Hey, Jim: | http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm | | -- | Michael Solomon MS-MVP | Windows Shell/User | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a Curta | calculator? | | | "wojo" wrote in message | ... | | You guys are OLD | | LOL | | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. Did any | of you grow up | | with an abacus? jk | | | | "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote | in message | | ... | | In , | | Hemlock typed: | | | | I believe it was a | | | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | | | | I remember both those names well, although they were a | little | | before my time. I never worked on either. I started | programming | | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | | | -- | | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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You're welcome, Jim.
They were a little before my time but not much. I saw one in a museum like display. As I recall, someone demonstrated it to me and I was allowed to try to see if I could make it work. I may have done so at the time but if you put one in front of me now, I wouldn't have the foggiest. Hey, I was in the group that used to proudly brag and sophomorically giggle about how I was going to do my homework on my "Wang." -- Michael Solomon MS-MVP Windows Shell/User Backup is a PC User's Best Friend DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... Thanks. My dad bought one in the 50s or 60s and after he died I got it. Case looks like a hand grenade case. Works fine nut TI SR10 was cheaper and faster. I wonder what my dad would think about a TI83 or HP 48? "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in message ... | Hey, Jim: | http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm | | -- | Michael Solomon MS-MVP | Windows Shell/User | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a Curta | calculator? | | | "wojo" wrote in message | ... | | You guys are OLD | | LOL | | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. Did any | of you grow up | | with an abacus? jk | | | | "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote | in message | | ... | | In , | | Hemlock typed: | | | | I believe it was a | | | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | | | | I remember both those names well, although they were a | little | | before my time. I never worked on either. I started | programming | | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | | | -- | | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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Uh, yeah, well, you see, I have this problem with regard to girls who didn't
live through the 60s, the two Kennedy assassinations and Martin Luther King. I don't feel as though I have anything in common with a girl who didn't live through that stuff. On the other hand, even when I was 17, I tended to like more mature women; the only difference today....I've caught up with them!VBG -- Michael Solomon MS-MVP Windows Shell/User Backup is a PC User's Best Friend DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... I'm only 58, going on 17...as soon as I am 17 legally I can date teenager girls again, lots more fun 40 years ago before HIV. "wojo" wrote in message ... | WOW You guys are OLD! :-) | Did you grow up using an abacus? jk | | "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in | message ... | Hey, Jim: | http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm | | -- | Michael Solomon MS-MVP | Windows Shell/User | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a Curta | calculator? | | | "wojo" wrote in message | ... | | You guys are OLD | | LOL | | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. Did any | of you grow up | | with an abacus? jk | | | | "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote | in message | | ... | | In , | | Hemlock typed: | | | | I believe it was a | | | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | | | | I remember both those names well, although they were a | little | | before my time. I never worked on either. I started | programming | | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | | | -- | | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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Think of yourself as a teacher, explain about a total US
budget of $101 Billion that JFK submitted and caused an outrage because it was so high in peace-time. About buying a new car for $1,400 and filling the tank cost $5... about not hearing about the news from around the world for 24-48 hours later. About how amazed we were to see the moon launches and how every TV network gave 24/7 coverage. Until Apollo 12. But how they went 24/7 for Apollo 13 only after it had the accident. About how Walter Crankcase personally decided that the US had lost the war in VN and CBS made sure he was right. BTW, Aural sex is the only safe sex. "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in message ... | Uh, yeah, well, you see, I have this problem with regard to girls who didn't | live through the 60s, the two Kennedy assassinations and Martin Luther King. | I don't feel as though I have anything in common with a girl who didn't live | through that stuff. | | On the other hand, even when I was 17, I tended to like more mature women; | the only difference today....I've caught up with them!VBG | | -- | Michael Solomon MS-MVP | Windows Shell/User | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | I'm only 58, going on 17...as soon as I am 17 legally I can | date teenager girls again, lots more fun 40 years ago before | HIV. | | | "wojo" wrote in message | ... | | WOW You guys are OLD! :-) | | Did you grow up using an abacus? jk | | | | "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" | wrote in | | message ... | | Hey, Jim: | | http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm | | | | -- | | Michael Solomon MS-MVP | | Windows Shell/User | | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend | | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ | | | | "Jim Macklin" | wrote in message | | ... | | slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a | Curta | | calculator? | | | | | | "wojo" wrote in message | | ... | | | You guys are OLD | | | LOL | | | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. | Did any | | of you grow up | | | with an abacus? jk | | | | | | "Ken Blake, MVP" | wrote | | in message | | | ... | | | In | , | | | Hemlock typed: | | | | | | I believe it was a | | | | | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | | | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | | | | | | | I remember both those names well, although they | were a | | little | | | before my time. I never worked on either. I | started | | programming | | | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | | | | | -- | | | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | | | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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The girls are 12 going on 21. The one who ARE 35 are trying
to look 21 by dressing 12. "wojo" wrote in message ... | I'm 35 going on 21. Don't want to give up legally drinking etc... | Dating teenage girls is scary. They make them different than when we were | all kids. Can't tell the difference w/o carding them 1st! | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | I'm only 58, going on 17...as soon as I am 17 legally I can | date teenager girls again, lots more fun 40 years ago before | HIV. | | | "wojo" wrote in message | ... | | WOW You guys are OLD! :-) | | Did you grow up using an abacus? jk | | | | "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" | wrote in | | message ... | | Hey, Jim: | | http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm | | | | -- | | Michael Solomon MS-MVP | | Windows Shell/User | | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend | | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ | | | | "Jim Macklin" | wrote in message | | ... | | slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a | Curta | | calculator? | | | | | | "wojo" wrote in message | | ... | | | You guys are OLD | | | LOL | | | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. | Did any | | of you grow up | | | with an abacus? jk | | | | | | "Ken Blake, MVP" | wrote | | in message | | | ... | | | In | , | | | Hemlock typed: | | | | | | I believe it was a | | | | | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | | | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | | | | | | | I remember both those names well, although they | were a | | little | | | before my time. I never worked on either. I | started | | programming | | | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | | | | | -- | | | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | | | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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Bill Clinton used his wang too much.
"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in message ... | You're welcome, Jim. | | They were a little before my time but not much. I saw one in a museum like | display. As I recall, someone demonstrated it to me and I was allowed to | try to see if I could make it work. I may have done so at the time but if | you put one in front of me now, I wouldn't have the foggiest. | | Hey, I was in the group that used to proudly brag and sophomorically giggle | about how I was going to do my homework on my "Wang." | | -- | Michael Solomon MS-MVP | Windows Shell/User | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | Thanks. My dad bought one in the 50s or 60s and after he | died I got it. Case looks like a hand grenade case. Works | fine nut TI SR10 was cheaper and faster. | | I wonder what my dad would think about a TI83 or HP 48? | | | "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" | wrote in message | ... | | Hey, Jim: | | http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm | | | | -- | | Michael Solomon MS-MVP | | Windows Shell/User | | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend | | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ | | | | "Jim Macklin" wrote | in message | | ... | | slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a Curta | | calculator? | | | | | | "wojo" wrote in message | | ... | | | You guys are OLD | | | LOL | | | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. Did | any | | of you grow up | | | with an abacus? jk | | | | | | "Ken Blake, MVP" | wrote | | in message | | | ... | | | In , | | | Hemlock typed: | | | | | | I believe it was a | | | | | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | | | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | | | | | | | I remember both those names well, although they were | a | | little | | | before my time. I never worked on either. I started | | programming | | | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | | | | | -- | | | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | | | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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Scary isn't it.
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... The girls are 12 going on 21. The one who ARE 35 are trying to look 21 by dressing 12. "wojo" wrote in message ... | I'm 35 going on 21. Don't want to give up legally drinking etc... | Dating teenage girls is scary. They make them different than when we were | all kids. Can't tell the difference w/o carding them 1st! | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | I'm only 58, going on 17...as soon as I am 17 legally I can | date teenager girls again, lots more fun 40 years ago before | HIV. | | | "wojo" wrote in message | ... | | WOW You guys are OLD! :-) | | Did you grow up using an abacus? jk | | | | "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" | wrote in | | message ... | | Hey, Jim: | | http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm | | | | -- | | Michael Solomon MS-MVP | | Windows Shell/User | | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend | | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ | | | | "Jim Macklin" | wrote in message | | ... | | slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a | Curta | | calculator? | | | | | | "wojo" wrote in message | | ... | | | You guys are OLD | | | LOL | | | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. | Did any | | of you grow up | | | with an abacus? jk | | | | | | "Ken Blake, MVP" | wrote | | in message | | | ... | | | In | , | | | Hemlock typed: | | | | | | I believe it was a | | | | | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | | | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | | | | | | | I remember both those names well, although they | were a | | little | | | before my time. I never worked on either. I | started | | programming | | | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | | | | | -- | | | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | | | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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So now you have to date women that are 112. Then they'll still be more
mature "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in message ... Uh, yeah, well, you see, I have this problem with regard to girls who didn't live through the 60s, the two Kennedy assassinations and Martin Luther King. I don't feel as though I have anything in common with a girl who didn't live through that stuff. On the other hand, even when I was 17, I tended to like more mature women; the only difference today....I've caught up with them!VBG -- Michael Solomon MS-MVP Windows Shell/User Backup is a PC User's Best Friend DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... I'm only 58, going on 17...as soon as I am 17 legally I can date teenager girls again, lots more fun 40 years ago before HIV. "wojo" wrote in message ... | WOW You guys are OLD! :-) | Did you grow up using an abacus? jk | | "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in | message ... | Hey, Jim: | http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm | | -- | Michael Solomon MS-MVP | Windows Shell/User | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/ | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | slate tablets and wooden slide rules. Ever seen a Curta | calculator? | | | "wojo" wrote in message | ... | | You guys are OLD | | LOL | | I go back as far as the tape drives and that's it. Did any | of you grow up | | with an abacus? jk | | | | "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote | in message | | ... | | In , | | Hemlock typed: | | | | I believe it was a | | | | IBM RAMAC 305 in 1956 | | It might have been an IBM 650 | | | | | | I remember both those names well, although they were a | little | | before my time. I never worked on either. I started | programming | | an IBM 1401 in 1962. | | | | -- | | Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User | | Please reply to the newsgroup | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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