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Recording desktop actions
This was talked about some time ago, but I've forgotten what was said.
In OS X, the Quick Time player is able to record your mouse and desktop movements. Very simple operation. The Windows version doe not. :-( I need to do the same thing for Windows. I'm just recording mouse movements, clicking on buttons, etc. for presentations on how to actually use the computer rather than floundering around until something works. Wouldn't mind if it autoloaded during bootup, may something that can be enabled and disabled in msconfig. Also, invoked with a keyboard shortcut. Suggestions? -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 42.0 Thunderbird 38.0.1 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 20/12/15 01:40, Ken Springer wrote:
I need to do the same thing for Windows. I'm just recording mouse movements, clicking on buttons, etc. for presentations on how to actually use the computer rather than floundering around until something works. Wouldn't mind if it autoloaded during bootup, may something that can be enabled and disabled in msconfig. Also, invoked with a keyboard shortcut. Suggestions? Ken, it is called screen recording and just for you, one of our regular octogenarians, I will make a suggestions for you for this Christmas. My suggestion is to use this softwa http://screencast-o-matic.com/screen_recorder You can read all about it at this link: http://screencast-o-matic.com/home Hope this is going to help you before you die as most octogenarians die for reasons we can't discuss here. Lord Janner dies, aged 87, after long illness cid Jimmy Hill: Former Match of the Day presenter dies aged 87 cid Conductor Kurt Masur dies at 88 cid Merry Christmas. |
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On 20/12/15 01:40, Ken Springer wrote:
I need to do the same thing for Windows. I'm just recording mouse movements, clicking on buttons, etc. for presentations on how to actually use the computer rather than floundering around until something works. Wouldn't mind if it autoloaded during bootup, may something that can be enabled and disabled in msconfig. Also, invoked with a keyboard shortcut. Suggestions? Ken, it is called screen recording and just for you, one of our regular octogenarians, I will make a suggestions for you for this Christmas. My suggestion is to use this softwa http://screencast-o-matic.com/screen_recorder You can read all about it at this link: http://screencast-o-matic.com/home Hope this is going to help you before you die as most octogenarians die for reasons we can't discuss here. Lord Janner dies, aged 87, after long illness http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35142675 Jimmy Hill: Former Match of the Day presenter dies aged 87 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35141430 Conductor Kurt Masur dies at 88 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35142738 Merry Christmas. |
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On 20/12/15 01:40, Ken Springer wrote:
I need to do the same thing for Windows. I'm just recording mouse movements, clicking on buttons, etc. for presentations on how to actually use the computer rather than floundering around until something works. Suggestions? Ken, it is called screen recording and just for you, one of our regular octogenarians, I will make a suggestions for you for this Christmas. My suggestion is to use this softwa http://screencast-o-matic.com/screen_recorder You can read all about it at this link: http://screencast-o-matic.com/home Hope this is going to help you before you die as most octogenarians die for reasons we can't discuss here. Lord Janner dies, aged 87, after long illness cid Jimmy Hill: Former Match of the Day presenter dies aged 87 cid Conductor Kurt Masur dies at 88 cid Merry Christmas. |
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Ken Springer wrote:
This was talked about some time ago, but I've forgotten what was said. In OS X, the Quick Time player is able to record your mouse and desktop movements. Very simple operation. The Windows version doe not. :-( I need to do the same thing for Windows. I'm just recording mouse movements, clicking on buttons, etc. for presentations on how to actually use the computer rather than floundering around until something works. Wouldn't mind if it autoloaded during bootup, may something that can be enabled and disabled in msconfig. Also, invoked with a keyboard shortcut. Suggestions? For some of the titles here, you'll want to run them through Wikipedia for Adware warnings. Wikipedia, for example, has a section on CamStudio, including the Adware that was added to it at some point. http://www.videohelp.com/software/se...screen-capture OK, an example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camstudio Now, is CamStudio open source ? Yes, sorta. I spent a week trying to build my own Visual Studio project file to compile it, only to discover there is a file missing from the source. So you cannot compile your own EXE from source. "Malicious software In January 2014, the binary on the webpage www.camstudio.org was reported to be infected with the trojan, Artemis!0FEA2B12900D ... As of beginning of 2015 CamStudio installation is still distributing a malicious software, though the prior uninfected installers can be obtained from SourceForge. The installer appears to use the infamous SourceForge DevShare program, which is also responsible for bundling adware with nmap, GIMP, and FileZilla." CamStudio also happens to have a 4GB output file limit, implying it doesn't know how to generate AVI2 (OpenDML) files. And is limited to the original AVI. This is fine if you select a high compression codec - if you do that, there will be some color fringing on the capture. If you were to use a codec that doesn't compress, you could run out of storage space pretty quickly. On my current machine, the "desired FPS" was set to 200FPS in the interface. But if you examine the movie generated later, it captures at 7FPS. The rest of the frames are economically copied by the tool, to fill out the movie (about 30 identical frames in a row just copied). A couple Google developers worked on it, but they were interested in peripheral issues. I think one person worked on multi-monitor support, so it could capture a larger desktop area. I think the implementation has some nice features, but there are also glaring limitations. ******* I use ffmpeg "GDIGRAB" filter, but this has issues too. I prefer this method because of the command line interface and ability to try goofy things. For example, I was trying to do uncompressed capture, just to see what kind of framerate could be sustained. Although that worked, the capture jitter was terrible. So the more you push that tool, the worse the extremes of capture jitter become. You will find a lot of tools are asynchronous to the screen, and don't take advantage of the hardware equivalent of VSYNC. And with the jitter issue, you may find downstream quality issues when working with your capture in an editor. Some tools "fake" the cursor. They use separate calls to get the cursor coordinates, then "add back" the mouse arrow as a composite. I expect other tools that appear to be properly capturing your screen, they could be cheating too. ******* If you purchase a ~$100 video capture card and stuff it in a second PC, you can do captures that way. The video cards in the next tier up, do "passthru" capture, and have an input HDMI and output HDMI port. This allows you to do what you would have expected to do in the first place, which is actually use the thing. In the case of the $100 cards that do capture, but without passthru, on those you put the device under test in "mirror" mode, and make the machine produce two identical video outputs. One feeds the capture card, one feeds the monitor. The cheap capture cards are limited to 1080i60 instead of 1080p60 and they also don't have HDCP keys in them - if you send a screen protected with HDCP to the capture card, you get snow. And that would be what your Hollywood movie playback would encourage, is the usage of HDCP. A video capture card is synchronous, so if you play a 24FPS Youtube video on your 60Hz LCD monitor, the video capture card will record 60FPS, even if it is i60 and interleaved. Instead of progressive. None of these hardware capture cards are ready for primetime, and they're more suited to people who like to tinker with stuff. On a good product, you find just one capture codec works, the card captures a black screen if the screen resolution changes part way through the capture. And so on. Rough edges. Promises of updates and fixes. The usual baloney. But to their credit, the price is lower. At one time, a quality "screen capture box" cost $2000 and was wimpy. Now, you can get cards with a chip or two on them, which do the equivalent of that $2000 box. Some of the cards have home-made compressors (FPGA and custom design code), while some others use commercial compressor chips. ******* On the videohelp page, you'll notice the IceCream capture program is listed. The download is pretty large, but inside, it's the bloat of various open source libraries that accounts for the size. Unfortunately, I didn't have the guts to install it. It's very difficult to determine what their business model is. The web page makes it look free (and we all know that serious developers don't do this stuff for nothing). One web page hinted at a free and a Pro version, yet I couldn't find a price or feature comparison anywhere. The videohelp site claims that product is a "trial". Which means it could stop working after a while. The company headquarters is in Cyprus. http://icecreamapps.com/download/scr...rder_setup.exe When unpacked with WINE, this is what the file set looks like. It uses Qt5 and LibAV, and one of the huge file components handles localization (different languages for the interface). Icecream Screen Recorder: -rw-rw-r-- 1 10016768 Jul 2 09:23 avcodec-56.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 243200 Jul 2 09:24 avdevice-56.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 1330688 Jul 2 09:24 avfilter-5.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 1985536 Jul 2 09:24 avformat-56.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 637952 Jul 2 08:01 avutil-54.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 138240 Aug 8 2014 CrashRpt1403.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 8214 Oct 13 2013 crashrpt_lang.ini -rw-rw-r-- 1 104960 Aug 8 2014 CrashRptProbe1403.dll -rwxrwxr-x 1 945152 Aug 8 2014 CrashSender1403.exe -rw-rw-r-- 1 1256080 Jul 16 2014 dbghelp.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 23507968 Jan 15 2014 icudt52.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 1798656 Jan 15 2014 icuin52.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 1304064 Jan 15 2014 icuuc52.dll drwxrwxr-x 2 4096 Dec 2 11:31 imageformats -rw-rw-r-- 1 421200 Jun 10 2011 msvcp100.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 773968 Jun 10 2011 msvcr100.dll drwxrwxr-x 2 4096 Dec 2 11:31 platforms -rw-rw-r-- 1 4111872 Nov 16 2014 Qt5Core.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 4342272 May 15 2014 Qt5Gui.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 849408 May 15 2014 Qt5Network.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 4370944 May 15 2014 Qt5Widgets.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 190976 May 15 2014 Qt5WinExtras.dll -rwxrwxr-x 1 116736 Jun 30 21:44 quickshot.exe -rwxrwxr-x 1 1841152 Aug 20 09:02 recorder.exe -rw-rw-r-- 1 256512 Jul 2 09:22 swresample-1.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 691712 Jul 2 08:01 swscale-3.dll drwxrwxr-x 2 4096 Dec 2 11:31 translations -rw-rw-r-- 1 25573 Dec 2 11:31 unins000.dat -rwxrwxr-x 1 1559753 Dec 2 11:31 unins000.exe Icecream Screen Recorder/imageformats: -rw-rw-r-- 1 32256 May 15 2014 qdds.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 21504 May 15 2014 qgif.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 27648 May 15 2014 qicns.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 20992 May 15 2014 qico.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 381952 May 15 2014 qjp2.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 204800 May 15 2014 qjpeg.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 218112 May 15 2014 qmng.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 15872 May 15 2014 qsvg.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 15360 May 15 2014 qtga.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 307712 May 15 2014 qtiff.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 14848 May 15 2014 qwbmp.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 252928 May 15 2014 qwebp.dll Icecream Screen Recorder/platforms: -rw-rw-r-- 1 261336 Aug 13 14:47 promo.bmp -rw-rw-r-- 1 24576 May 15 2014 qminimal.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 432640 May 15 2014 qoffscreen.dll -rw-rw-r-- 1 875008 May 15 2014 qwindows.dll Icecream Screen Recorder/translations: .... -rw-rw-r-- 1 23362 Aug 7 12:49 lang_en.qm I didn't see anything in the list that screams "Adware", and the purpose of showing that list, is to show how a screen capture program needs a 35MB download. The CamStudio code is quite a bit smaller. Even "CrashRpt1403" is open source and goes by that name on the web. So you can track that one down too. The Icecream developers still have to do some work, as they have to command avcodec and friends to do the capture. (This would be the same as doing it with FFMPEG roughly.) ******* You can do screen capture with VLC. But I don't know what versions support this. http://www.wikihow.com/Screen-Capture-to-File-Using-VLC Paul |
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writes: Ken Springer wrote: This was talked about some time ago, but I've forgotten what was said. In OS X, the Quick Time player is able to record your mouse and desktop movements. Very simple operation. The Windows version doe not. :-( I need to do the same thing for Windows. I'm just recording mouse movements, clicking on buttons, etc. for presentations on how to actually use the computer rather than floundering around until something works. Wouldn't mind if it autoloaded during bootup, may something that can be enabled and disabled in msconfig. Also, invoked with a keyboard shortcut. Suggestions? For some of the titles here, you'll want to run them through Wikipedia for Adware warnings. Wikipedia, for [_Very_ comprehensive answer snipped!] Although Ken did say he was wanting it for presentations, so maybe screen-capture videos _is_ the answer that suits him, at first I thought he wanted to "record your mouse and desktop movements", to be able to play them back (and have them actually do what they did when recorded). I remember - can't remember if it was under Windows 3.1 or Windows 9x - some functionality similar to that was available, I think under the name macro recording, as part of the OS. I have the feeling it fell by the wayside some while back, though I think there were at least for a little while third-party options (maybe free, maybe not). Is anything similar still there, hidden away perhaps? If not, any suitable third-party? (I don't at the moment have a great need for such, but Ken's question - or at least my interpretation of it - made me wonder.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf once described by Eccentrica Golumbits as the best bang since the big one ... (first series, fit the second) |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Although Ken did say he was wanting it for presentations, so maybe screen-capture videos _is_ the answer that suits him, at first I thought he wanted to "record your mouse and desktop movements", to be able to play them back (and have them actually do what they did when recorded). I remember - can't remember if it was under Windows 3.1 or Windows 9x - some functionality similar to that was available, I think under the name macro recording, as part of the OS. I have the feeling it fell by the wayside some while back, though I think there were at least for a little while third-party options (maybe free, maybe not). Is anything similar still there, hidden away perhaps? If not, any suitable third-party? (I don't at the moment have a great need for such, but Ken's question - or at least my interpretation of it - made me wonder.) You're probably thinking of "macro-recording", where a tool records what you're doing, so it can be played back later. Photoshop, for example, had its own macro-recorder, which I used to use with my scanner. If I scanned a B&W document, and the noise characteristics of each sheet of paper were predictable, I would record a macro in Photoshop, and apply the same post-process to each scanned sheet. It meant I could click a button and go on walk-about for 2 minutes, until the thing was finished and I could put the next sheet of paper in the scanner. The whole process was maddening. But I wasn't about to go nuts and put an autofeeder on my scanner (it had an optional accessory for that). I didn't scan enough documents to make it worthwhile. Processing a 50 page document, meant walking in circles for 100 minutes, talking to yourself :-) Paul |
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In message , Paul
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: Although Ken did say he was wanting it for presentations, so maybe screen-capture videos _is_ the answer that suits him, at first I thought he wanted to "record your mouse and desktop movements", to be able to play them back (and have them actually do what they did when recorded). I remember - can't remember if it was under Windows 3.1 or Windows 9x - some functionality similar to that was available, I think under the name macro recording, as part of the OS. I have the feeling it fell by the wayside some while back, though I think there were at least for a little while third-party options (maybe free, maybe not). Is anything similar still there, hidden away perhaps? If not, any suitable third-party? (I don't at the moment have a great need for such, but Ken's question - or at least my interpretation of it - made me wonder.) You're probably thinking of "macro-recording", Yes, when I said "I think under the name macro recording", I probably am ... (-: where a tool records what you're doing, so it can be played back later. I'd forgotten that some tools have their own variations on the theme. But I'm sure I remember seeing it as part of the OS, though I think it might have been way back in the days of Windows 3.1 (or 3.11), or possibly '9x. I was wondering if it's still there, buried away (or a third-party app.), though I can't think of many cases where I'd use it ATM. Photoshop, for example, had its own macro-recorder, which I used to use with my scanner. If I scanned a B&W document, and the noise characteristics of each sheet of paper were predictable, I would record a macro in Photoshop, and apply the same post-process to each scanned sheet. It meant I could click a button and go on walk-about for 2 minutes, until the thing was finished and I could put the next sheet of paper in the scanner. The whole process was maddening. But I wasn't about to go nuts and put an autofeeder on my scanner (it had an optional accessory for that). I didn't scan enough documents to make it worthwhile. Processing a 50 page document, meant walking in circles for 100 minutes, talking to yourself :-) In terms of just actions to be performed on images, IrfanView has quite a versatile batch processing capability; I've not explored it in much depth. (Obviously you'd need to scan the pages unmodified then set it on them afterwards.) Paul -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "I'm not against women. Not often enough, anyway." - Groucho Marx |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In terms of just actions to be performed on images, IrfanView has quite a versatile batch processing capability; I've not explored it in much depth. (Obviously you'd need to scan the pages unmodified then set it on them afterwards.) Photoshop used to drive my scanner. The scanner came with a Photoshop plugin (it was one of the best features of the whole scanner in fact). So you could place a sheet of paper on the scanner, have your macro loaded, and it would do the whole process for you. But since the time to process the page was short, you really couldn't do anything else except (slowly) feed sheets of paper, while you cursed and swore and walked in circles :-) I really really needed an autofeeder. So the software solution was all-in-one. The one program did everything for you. If I was using IrfanView, that would be a separate step later (which I suppose wouldn't be all that bad). The problem with Photoshop, was the undo buffer and scratch disk idea. Which would take eons for the simplest of workflows. At least half of your time was wasted on the creaky workflow within Photoshop. At the time, I wasn't about to run out and build a RAID array for the scratch disk for this. The whole thing "just called for more money". I'm sure you've run into projects where it says "shovel more money into this hole for better results". And the hole is infinitely deep. Paul |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 01:59:02 -0500, Paul wrote:
"Malicious software In January 2014, the binary on the webpage www.camstudio.org was reported to be infected with the trojan, Artemis!0FEA2B12900D ... As of beginning of 2015 CamStudio installation is still distributing a malicious software, though the prior uninfected installers can be obtained from SourceForge. Howtogeek reports that, since somebody bought Sourceforge, it is now bundling foistware into many downloads, like Downloads.com. They recommend against using either one. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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On 12/20/15 2:18 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul writes: Ken Springer wrote: This was talked about some time ago, but I've forgotten what was said. In OS X, the Quick Time player is able to record your mouse and desktop movements. Very simple operation. The Windows version doe not. :-( I need to do the same thing for Windows. I'm just recording mouse movements, clicking on buttons, etc. for presentations on how to actually use the computer rather than floundering around until something works. Wouldn't mind if it autoloaded during bootup, may something that can be enabled and disabled in msconfig. Also, invoked with a keyboard shortcut. Suggestions? For some of the titles here, you'll want to run them through Wikipedia for Adware warnings. Wikipedia, for [_Very_ comprehensive answer snipped!] Although Ken did say he was wanting it for presentations, so maybe screen-capture videos _is_ the answer that suits him, at first I thought he wanted to "record your mouse and desktop movements", to be able to play them back (and have them actually do what they did when recorded). Screen capture videos is exactly what I'm after. Not a macro recorder. I remember - can't remember if it was under Windows 3.1 or Windows 9x - some functionality similar to that was available, I think under the name macro recording, as part of the OS. I have the feeling it fell by the wayside some while back, though I think there were at least for a little while third-party options (maybe free, maybe not). It was in both, dropped for W98. Although it was possible to simply copy the correct files from W95 to W98 and it would work. Is anything similar still there, hidden away perhaps? If not, any suitable third-party? (I don't at the moment have a great need for such, but Ken's question - or at least my interpretation of it - made me wonder.) Nothing hidden that I know of, other than one built into software like Word, that only work s in Word, of course. There are some macro recorders out there but I've not used any of them. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 42.0 Thunderbird 38.0.1 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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