The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is finally now released 5/27/2020

Arlen Holder wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:22:56 -0700, T wrote:

ya. everyone else makes a direct dd of their iso's.

I was able to burn the 2004 Win10 to a DVD using ImgBurn (third try).

Don't ask me why it took 3 tries; maybe a bad batch of optical media?
Disc Information:
Sectors: 2,023,520
Size: 4,144,168,960 bytes
MID: CMC MAG. AM3
Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: CMC MAG. AM3
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,220,127
etc.

Moving forward, one question, mainly for Paul, since he "might" know...
a. I can't get a desktop to boot due to this issue
Windows 10 BSOD indicates a hardware problem - but what hardware is the problem?
https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/oL7PTNKu/windows-10-bsod-indicates-a-hardware-problem-but-what-hardware-is-the-problem
b. I haven't yet bought a replacement HDD which I know would work just fine
with the new Windows 10 (which is really my plan).
c. However, I doubt there is anything wrong with the old HDD
d. But I haven't backed it up yet (too big).

Is there any way to "repair" the bad HDD given this circumstance:
1. When I put the bad HDD in the bad desktop, it won't boot.
2. However, when I put the bad HDD in a good desktop, it shows up.
(I did NOT set it as the boot disk though.)
3. How can I 'repair' that bad HDD using this new 2004 Windows 10 disc?

Can I do this?
a. Put the bad HDD in the bad desktop and boot to the 2004 Win10 disc.
b. Then "repair" the bad HDD without losing the data outside of Windows?

If I can't, then I have to buy a new HDD and then I know it will work.

Repair install (lossless) works if the desktop boots.

I think you can see the Catch22 nature of such a Repair capability.
The Repair capability is useless for real work.

The old WinXP way was better, because it could repair something
that didn't boot, yet had the "smell" of an OS to it.

*******

Normally, you'd sneak up on it, but Windows 10 just isn't
conducive to maintenance. It has the bad $MFTMIRR, the bad volume
bitmap, the reparse points, all of which are items that Linux
doesn't like. The $MFTMIRR prevents a volume from being
mounted in Linux. You'll see messages in "dmesg" indicating
you are **** outta luck.

If you boot Windows 7 and do a CHKDSK from there, then the Extended Attribute
processing that Windows 7 has to do, could take an hour to complete. We're
back in the bad old days of disk repair, where certain operations
"took forever".

It's a situation where it's hard to make forward progress.

1) Linux - not likely to afford an easy foothold. Fedora had
the $MFTMIRR commented out at one point. The rest of Linux
just does not care to fix this.

2) Windows 7 - can make progress here. Could attempt to review
partition. Could use TestDisk if the partition table had been
destroyed (but this hardly ever works properly). Could use
disktype, but, that's a long shot too, as getting the code
is the tough first step.

You could run a Seagate or a WDC utility (Windows version) from
the Windows 7 OS of the technician machine, and do some basic
checks.

Or, run HDTune (Version 255 free version), and check SMART and
run a benchmark curve.

But in general terms, you're in a pretty deep hole, and
for the next day or two, all you're going to be doing is
"shoveling". Victory is some distance a way at the moment.

So get your Windows 7 setup going, and plug that disk in
and start work on it. To start, it's mostly a "recognition"
question, rather than a "repair" question. Is it a disk drive ?
Or is it a dead brick ?

Paul

On 2020-05-29 7:27 p.m., Paul wrote:
Arlen Holder wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:22:56 -0700, T wrote:

ya.Â* everyone else makes a direct dd of their iso's.

I was able to burn the 2004 Win10 to a DVD using ImgBurn (third try).

Don't ask me why it took 3 tries; maybe a bad batch of optical media?
Â* Disc Information:
Â* Sectors: 2,023,520
Â* Size: 4,144,168,960 bytes
Â* MID: CMC MAG. AM3
Â* Pre-recorded Information:
Â* Manufacturer ID: CMC MAG. AM3
Â* Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Â* Track Density: 0.74 um/track
Â* First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Â* Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,220,127
Â* etc.

Moving forward, one question, mainly for Paul, since he "might" know...
a. I can't get a desktop to boot due to this issue
Â*Â* Windows 10 BSOD indicates a hardware problem - but what hardware is
the problem?

https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/oL7PTNKu/windows-10-bsod-indicates-a-hardware-problem-but-what-hardware-is-the-problem

b. I haven't yet bought a replacement HDD which I know would work just
fine
with the new Windows 10 (which is really my plan).
c. However, I doubt there is anything wrong with the old HDD
d. But I haven't backed it up yet (too big).

Is there any way to "repair" the bad HDD given this circumstance:
1. When I put the bad HDD in the bad desktop, it won't boot.
2. However, when I put the bad HDD in a good desktop, it shows up.
Â*Â* (I did NOT set it as the boot disk though.)
3. How can I 'repair' that bad HDD using this new 2004 Windows 10 disc?

Can I do this?
a. Put the bad HDD in the bad desktop and boot to the 2004 Win10 disc.
b. Then "repair" the bad HDD without losing the data outside of Windows?

If I can't, then I have to buy a new HDD and then I know it will work.

Repair install (lossless) works if the desktop boots.

I think you can see the Catch22 nature of such a Repair capability.
The Repair capability is useless for real work.

The old WinXP way was better, because it could repair something
that didn't boot, yet had the "smell" of an OS to it.

*******

Normally, you'd sneak up on it, but Windows 10 just isn't
conducive to maintenance. It has the bad $MFTMIRR, the bad volume
bitmap, the reparse points, all of which are items that Linux
doesn't like. The $MFTMIRR prevents a volume from being
mounted in Linux. You'll see messages in "dmesg" indicating
you are **** outta luck.

If you boot Windows 7 and do a CHKDSK from there, then the Extended
Attribute
processing that Windows 7 has to do, could take an hour to complete. We're
back in the bad old days of disk repair, where certain operations
"took forever".

It's a situation where it's hard to make forward progress.

1) Linux - not likely to afford an easy foothold. Fedora had
Â*Â* the $MFTMIRR commented out at one point. The rest of Linux
Â*Â* just does not care to fix this.

2) Windows 7 - can make progress here. Could attempt to review
Â*Â* partition. Could use TestDisk if the partition table had been
Â*Â* destroyed (but this hardly ever works properly). Could use
Â*Â* disktype, but, that's a long shot too, as getting the code
Â*Â* is the tough first step.

Â*Â* You could run a Seagate or a WDC utility (Windows version) from
Â*Â* the Windows 7 OS of the technician machine, and do some basic
Â*Â* checks.

Â*Â* Or, run HDTune (Version 255 free version), and check SMART and
Â*Â* run a benchmark curve.

But in general terms, you're in a pretty deep hole, and
for the next day or two, all you're going to be doing is
"shoveling". Victory is some distance a way at the moment.

So get your Windows 7 setup going, and plug that disk in
and start work on it. To start, it's mostly a "recognition"
question, rather than a "repair" question. Is it a disk drive ?
Or is it a dead brick ?

Â*Â* Paul

So far The new 2004 (OS build 19041.264) is working fine, the only
thing it lost was a couple of Windows 7 old games which I quickly
recovered with Winaero Tweaker.

I removed Windows.old with disk cleanup which brings my C:\ Windows
drive back to 36.4 GB, and Did a Macrium Backup as usual.

The one feature which I immediately liked was the new configurable text
cursor, Size, Color and appearance.

This was only a first look, I'm sure I will find other improvements as
time goes on.

Rene

On 5/29/20 4:22 PM, T wrote:

[snip]

ya.Â* everyone else makes a direct dd of their iso's.
but not m$

a flash drive is about 10 times faster

I have Win10 in a VM, so did not need to burn or create flash drive
boot. I just needed to copy the ISO to the machine with the VM and tell
VirtualBox to insert it into the virtual drive.

BTW, they seem to still be updating MSEdge (it's not Chromium Edge).

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On 2020-05-30 07:37, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
The one feature which I immediately liked was the new configurable text
cursor,Â*Â*Size,Â*ColorÂ*andÂ*appearance.

How about a choice of something other that those
obnoxious please wait circling balls?

On 2020-05-30 09:17, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 5/29/20 4:22 PM, T wrote:

[snip]

ya.Â* everyone else makes a direct dd of their iso's.
but not m$

a flash drive is about 10 times faster

I have Win10 in a VM, so did not need to burn or create flash drive
boot. I just needed to copy the ISO to the machine with the VM and tell
VirtualBox to insert it into the virtual drive.

I did the same thing with qemu-kvm. Plenty fast!


BTW, they seem to still be updating MSEdge (it's not Chromium Edge).

I just remove the Edge icon and replace it with the old
IE icon.

I also install Brave and Firefox and tell the customer to
use them instead. But sometimes you just have to use IE.
That is slowly being replaced with "only works with Chrome".

On 2020-05-30 5:06 p.m., T wrote:
On 2020-05-30 07:37, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
The one feature which I immediately liked was the new configurable
text cursor,Â*Â*Size,Â*ColorÂ*andÂ*appearance.

How about a choice of something other that those
obnoxious please wait circling balls?


How about an old analog clock with moving hands, or is that spoken for?
How about a small Steam loco running on a circular track?
How about a small tractor plowing a small rectangular field

Rene

On 2020-05-30 16:43, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-05-30 5:06 p.m., T wrote:
On 2020-05-30 07:37, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
The one feature which I immediately liked was the new configurable
text cursor,Â*Â*Size,Â*ColorÂ*andÂ*appearance.

How about a choice of something other that those
obnoxious please wait circling balls?


How about an old analog clock with moving hands, or is that spoken for?
How about a smallÂ* Steam loco runningÂ* on a circular track?
How about a small tractor plowing a small rectangular field

Rene



I would just go with the hour glass that flips over
every so often.

T wrote:
On 2020-05-30 16:43, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-05-30 5:06 p.m., T wrote:
On 2020-05-30 07:37, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
The one feature which I immediately liked was the new configurable
text cursor, Size, Color and appearance.

How about a choice of something other that those
obnoxious please wait circling balls?


How about an old analog clock with moving hands, or is that spoken for?
How about a small Steam loco running on a circular track?
How about a small tractor plowing a small rectangular field

Rene



I would just go with the hour glass that flips over
every so often.


I forget. Is that a Win98 thing ? Or earlier ?

What I'd like to know, is what makes these processes so slow.
If we could banish the juggling balls by going faster, that
would be "neat".

Paul

On 2020-05-31 12:50 a.m., Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 2020-05-30 16:43, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-05-30 5:06 p.m., T wrote:
On 2020-05-30 07:37, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
The one feature which I immediately liked was the new configurable
text cursor,Â* Size, Color and appearance.

How about a choice of something other that those
obnoxious please wait circling balls?


How about an old analog clock with moving hands, or is that spoken for?
How about a smallÂ* Steam loco runningÂ* on a circular track?
How about a small tractor plowing a small rectangular field

Rene



I would just go with the hour glass that flips over
every so often.


I forget. Is that a Win98 thing ? Or earlier ?

What I'd like to know, is what makes these processes so slow.
If we could banish the juggling balls by going faster, that
would be "neat".

Â*Â* Paul

Lets be thankful it doesn't play "Elevator Music' while we wait and
twiddle our thumbs.

Rene

On Sun, 31 May 2020 09:23:41 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2020-05-31 12:50 a.m., Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 2020-05-30 16:43, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-05-30 5:06 p.m., T wrote:
On 2020-05-30 07:37, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
The one feature which I immediately liked was the new configurable
text cursor,* Size, Color and appearance.

How about a choice of something other that those
obnoxious please wait circling balls?


How about an old analog clock with moving hands, or is that spoken for?
How about a small* Steam loco running* on a circular track?
How about a small tractor plowing a small rectangular field

Rene



I would just go with the hour glass that flips over
every so often.


I forget. Is that a Win98 thing ? Or earlier ?

What I'd like to know, is what makes these processes so slow.
If we could banish the juggling balls by going faster, that
would be "neat".

** Paul

Lets be thankful it doesn't play "Elevator Music' while we wait and
twiddle our thumbs.

First World problems, right? :-)
There are people in the world who wake up every morning and grab their two
water buckets before walking the 20-mile round trip to the nearest river to
bring water back to be used that day.

Arlen Holder wrote in
:

o The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is now out
https://www.digitaltrends.com/comput...020-update-now
-available/ o The most significant update comes to File Explorer
o There is also a new Cortana experience
o and the ability to rename virtual desktops
o Other improvements include an enhanced Windows search function

To download the May 2020 Update today...
o Open Windows Settings, clicking Update & Security, Windows Update
followed by Check for Updates.

o If it is ready for your PC, you will see a message appear under
Optional Updates available in Windows Update, of
'Feature update to Windows 10, version 2004'
o You can then trigger a download of it by clicking
Download and install now

To force an update if you do not see that message...
o Go to https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
o Download the Media Creation Tool "MediaCreationTool2004.exe"
https://software-download.microsoft....diaCreationToo
l2004.exe
o You can then use that tool to download a bootable ISO file.

It's always a ton of bull**** in the reviews, but let's see what they
say. o What's new in the Windows 10 May 2020 Update
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...hats-new-in-th
e-windows-10-may-2020-update/ o Bluetooth pairing is fewer steps
o you can sign in with your face, fingerprint, or PIN?
o kaomoji available directly in the Windows emoji keyboard
o Name your desktops instead of Desktop 1 or Desktop 2
o DirectX 12 Ultimate
o Xbox Game Bar now supports third-party widgets
o memory usage reduction of up to 27% when browsing with Microsoft
Edge o now you can choose to keep the Calculator app on top of
everything o NotePad.exe wrap around find/replace, quick text zooming
o NotePad.exe asterisk in the title bar indicates unsaved changes
o place, receive, or text reply to phone calls directly on your PC
o Cortana chat-based user interface
o Narrator sounds have been revamped
o Windows Magnifier will keep the text cursor in the center of the
screen etc.

The phone sync appears to require a separate app:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wind...-devices?activ
etab=pivot_1%253aprimaryr2
"Users must link their phone to their Windows PC in PC settings.
Users
will receive an app from Microsoft which they must download to their
phone and follow the set-up prompts, including being signed into [the]
same Microsoft Account across mobile apps and Windows 10 PC."

Apparently they're billing WSL2 as part of this update
o Even though you can get it separately, as we covered he
o Tutorial for setting up Ubuntu as a Windows Subsystem for Linux WSL
in Windows 10
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....Wo9dk/pK8Z8ahD
AgAJ

This is where they link the WSL2 with this new update:
o Windows 10 May 2020 Update now available with built-in Linux kernel
and Cortana updates
https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/27/2...ndows-10-may-2
020-update-download-available
"Microsoft¢s next major Windows 10 update includes WSL 2"

"The biggest change to the May 2020 Update is that it includes the
Windows Subsystem for Linux 2 (WSL 2), with a custom-built Linux
kernel."

"WSL 2 won't include Linux GUI application support or GPU hardware
acceleration just yet, as Microsoft is promising both of these
features for future Windows updates."
o Microsoft is bringing Linux GUI apps to Windows 10
https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/19/2...ndows-10-linux
-gui-apps-gpu-acceleration-wsl-features

As always, please improve so that all benefit from every article
posted.

Do you know, can the new Edge be configured to open a user's local email
client?

Thanks.

On Sun, 31 May 2020 20:25:57 -0000 (UTC), Boris
wrote:

Do you know, can the new Edge be configured to open a user's local email
client?

Can any browser open a local email client? I'm not sure how that would be
accomplished.

A local email client is typically a Windows application. You typically
launch it just like you launch any other application.

There are about ten known issues to date...

o We're already looking into these 10 issues, says Microsoft
https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-2004-were-already-looking-into-these-10-issues-says-microsoft/
"Microsoft has found that certain versions of drivers for
*Realtek Bluetooth radios* aren't compatible with Windows 10 2004."

""affected Nvidia display driver versions... are any
*Nvidia driver versions lower than 358.00*"

"compatibility hold on Windows 10 devices with affected
*Conexant or Synaptics audio drivers*"

"Microsoft is also blocking the Windows 10 2004 update for PCs
with *Intel integrated graphics processing units*."

"Affected PCs include those with a *Thunderbolt port* and with
*Kernel DMA Protection enabled* and
*Windows Hypervisor Platform disabled*"

"It affects *devices with more than one Always On*,
Always Connected capable network adapter."

"compatibility issue with some games using GameInput Redistributable"

"there's a problem with apps or drivers using certain versions of
aksfridge.sys or aksdf.sys"

There's more information he
o Windows 10, version 2004 and Windows Server, version 2004
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-information/status-windows-10-2004

As a result, they just now updated the messages on Windows 10 1909 as per:
o *How to tell if your device is eligible for the Windows 10 May 2020 update*
https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-tell-if-your-device-is-eligible-for-the-windows-10-may-2020-update/

"Microsoft adds a message on the Windows Update page to let users
know if they're eligible for the Windows 10 May 2020 update."

"Microsoft employs a staggered rollout approach, making new versions
available to a small part of its userbase. Tested and widely supported
devices receive updates first, followed by older systems.

Starting with the Windows 10 May 2020 update (also known as Windows 10
v2004), Microsoft has taken steps to reduce the confusion"

Currently, [for] most Windows 10 users, this message will read:

"The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is on its way. We're offering this
update to compatible devices, but your device isn't quite ready for
it. Once your device is ready, you'll see the update available
on this page. There's nothing you need to do at this time."
--
They can't stop shilling it, where I don't see anything useful (do you?)
o What to expect from the version 2004 update
https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-to-expect-from-windows-10-version-2004/

Did anyone else see the new wording that showed up today in:
Win10 flag Settings Update & Security Windows Update

Here's what I got just now (it clearly says I'm not compatible):
https://i.postimg.cc/vBYjkVst/update01.jpg

"The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is on its way.
*We're offering this update to compatible devices*,
*but your device isn't quite ready for it.*
Once your device is ready, you'll see the update available"

It's due to the ten known (pretty big) problems currently reported:
o The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is finally now released 5/27/2020
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/C8uKEw5vIMA/JUUdpg8ZAgAJ

Looks like a lot of PCs likely won't be compatible given these issues.
o Devices with Realtek, Nvidia, Conexant, & Synaptics drivers
o Devices with Intel integrated graphics processing units
o Devices with Thunderbolt ports & certain Hypervisor & Kernel DMA setups
o Devices with Always On Always Connected network adaptors
o Devices with GameInput Redistributable settings
o Devices with aksfridge.sys or aksdf.sys drivers
etc.
--
Usenet is so much more valuable, and pleasant, when people share ideas.

UPDATE: (dateline Jun 1, 2020, 6:16am EDT)

"Microsoft has a list of 10 issues it's currently investigating, and
9 of them have resulted in a *compatibility hold* which stops the
Windows 10 May 2020 Update from being installed via Windows Update."

o Microsoft is blocking the Windows 10 May 2020 Update on lots of devices
https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/1/21276653/microsoft-windows-10-may-2020-update-block-known-issues-list

"Microsoft has also added a warning to Windows Update
over the weekend for devices that aren't ready to be updated."

Here's the warning I received (did you get it also?):
https://i.postimg.cc/vBYjkVst/update01.jpg
--
Windows Update isn't the only way to get the Windows 10 May 2020 Update,
though. You can also force it through Microsoft's update assistant.