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  #16  
Old August 5th 04, 09:33 PM
Kelly
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Default New Imformation: Also Kelly's Line 227 Left: Set IE Fonts

Thanks and welcome back. )

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
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"+-J" wrote in message
...

"Kelly" wrote:
| Chad,
|
| Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving. ) Other than that, you
were
| posting in html, until this post.
|
| As for the latter: Whenever you copy and paste from a website - paste
it
| into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.

Kelly,

Excellent advice!

---
Jan




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  #17  
Old August 5th 04, 09:43 PM
+-J
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Default New Imformation on System Restore HTML/hypoerlinks/clickability


David,

You wrote:
| If you attached a picture to a post OE display the picture after it displays the post. It's not emmbedded. If you insert a picture
then yes. But html posts get sent as html AND plain text.

I replied to Plato:

I have set my newsreader to display posts in TEXT-only mode.
I fail to see why people insist on posting in HTML or RTF, (or even write eMails in HTML).
Unfortunately, MS Outlook Express insists on displaying graphic files which are embedded in HTML posts!
(At least in MS Internet Explorer, displaying of graphic files can be disabled.)


| Jan and Plato are stark raving mad. They can chose to view the plain text in SP1 or later by ticking a box in options.

I *do* use OE 6 SP1 set to TEXT-only mode.
How do I stop OE from displaying *any* images at all?

In this newsgroup, I have *never* seen a need for a post to be in anything other than TEXT-only format.
(The CDO presents posts in TEXT-only mode so all HTML and RTF "markup" is lost. Also, there are no attachments.)
---
Jan


  #18  
Old August 5th 04, 11:20 PM
+-J
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Default New Imformation on System Restore HTML/hypoerlinks/clickability


Chad,

| Thanks Jan--
|
| May have seemed obvious, but I thought by definition that a hyperlink is in
| HTML and I'll have to clear this up for myself.

For HTML in a web browser, yes.


| I also thought in general
| with OE and OL, that whatever format you used would only be viewed if the
| recipient has format enough to view it--and I know RTF has a different
| meaning in OL and OE.
|
| This is a different question and technically one in OE but if you embed a
| graphic into the text of OE won't the recipient have to have HTML activated
| to view the picture. If they don't when they receive it and read directions
| to activate it will they be able to see the picture?


For MS Outlook (Express|) - not the same behaviour.


I use MS Outlook Express (in "minimal" mode) only as a news-reader.

I would never use it for eMails.

I observe how it behaves, but I have no interest in its inner workings.
(However, David does know.)
---
Jan


| "+-J" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "Chad Harris" wrote:
| SNIP /
| | Even if you're posting in simple text, a hyperlink is going to show up
| | and doesn't that require html?
| SNIP /
| Chad,
| In Outlook Express, in TEXT-mode, all hyperlinks are clickable.
| ---
| Jan


  #19  
Old August 6th 04, 12:49 AM
David Candy
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Default New Imformation on System Restore HTML/hypoerlinks/clickability

Tools - Options - Read - Read All Messages In Plain Text

I've never ticked it. Last thing I want. I often post technical =
reference daya that only makes sense if it retains it's formatting, =
mainly tables.


--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html

"+-J" wrote in message =
...
=20
David,
=20
You wrote:
| If you attached a picture to a post OE display the picture after it =

displays the post. It's not emmbedded. If you insert a picture
then yes. But html posts get sent as html AND plain text.
=20
I replied to Plato:
=20
I have set my newsreader to display posts in TEXT-only mode.
I fail to see why people insist on posting in HTML or RTF, (or even =

write eMails in HTML).
Unfortunately, MS Outlook Express insists on displaying graphic =

files which are embedded in HTML posts!
(At least in MS Internet Explorer, displaying of graphic files can =

be disabled.)
=20
| Jan and Plato are stark raving mad. They can chose to view the plain =

text in SP1 or later by ticking a box in options.
=20
I *do* use OE 6 SP1 set to TEXT-only mode.
How do I stop OE from displaying *any* images at all?
=20
In this newsgroup, I have *never* seen a need for a post to be in =

anything other than TEXT-only format.
(The CDO presents posts in TEXT-only mode so all HTML and RTF "markup" =

is lost. Also, there are no attachments.)
---
Jan
=20

  #20  
Old August 6th 04, 01:03 AM
David Candy
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Default New Imformation on System Restore HTML/hypoerlinks/clickability


To move around the desktop toolbars, Taskbar, Notification Area and the Desktop - press Ctrl + Escape (or the Winkey) to activate Start, Escape to cancel the menu, then Tab and Shift + Tab to the various parts of the screen. Use the arrow keys to move within a section. Winkey + B jumps straight to the System Notification Area.

Key Description
Delete key or Delete on the shortcut menu Deletes the file
Shift + Delete key or Shift + Delete on the shortcut menu Deletes the file and doesn't place it in the Reycle Bin
Dbl Click a drive shortcut, Rycycle Bin, Start Menu, or My Computer Opens an folder view of the double clicked item
Shift + Dbl Click a drive shortcut, Rycycle Bin, Start Menu, or My Computer Open an explorer view with the double clicked item selected
Shift + Close Button Closes the current folder and all parent folders
Shift + Drag Move a file (default when dragging on the same drive)
Shift + Right Click Opens the object's context menu with hidden verbs shown, if any
Shift + Send To menu Moves a file (default when sending on the same drive)
Shift + Insert a CD Prevents the CD from auto running
Shift + Starting Windows Doesn't run the programs in the startup folder
Shift + No in a file confirmation dialog Means No To All (XP)
Shift + View menu - Thumbnails Hides the label for the thumbnails. Repeat to Show (XP)
Ctrl + Dbl Click an object (such as a document file) Opens in the object behind other windows. Doesn't work on all objects
Ctrl + Close button Sets the system default settings, mainly sort order. Icon style is not affected
Ctrl + Close button in Picture & Fax Viewer Resets "Don't Show ... Again" dialog settings
Ctrl + Drag Copies a file (default for dragging between drives)
Ctrl + Send To menu Copies the file (default when sending between drives)
Ctrl + Send To menu Powertoys (except Send Contents to Clipboard) Sends the short name to the clipboard or run dialog
Ctrl + Send To menu Send Contents to Clipboard Powertoy Opens a dialog box to specify the data format
Ctrl + Shift + Drag
(also Alt + Drag) Creates a Shortcut rather than moving or copying a file (default when dragging only program files in 95, default for dragging files called setup.exe and install.exe later versions)
Ctrl + Shift + Send To menu Creates a Shortcut rather than moving or copying a file
Ctrl + Plus Key in Explorer Auto sizes all columns
Ctrl + Alt + Delete Starts the Close Program dialog box (Windows 9x), Security dialog (NT, 2000, XP if Welcome Screen disabled), and Task Manager (XP with Welcome Screen enabled)
Ctrl + Shift + Escape Starts the Close Program dialog box (Windows 9x) or Task Manager (NT, 2000, XP)
Ctrl + Alt + Shift and Close or Cancel in the Shutdown dialog Closes down Window's shell. Use Task Manager's File - Run dialog to start Explorer to restart the shell.
Ctrl + Click a Taskbar Button Select multiple Windows to tile or cascade (by right clicking the taskbar)
Alt + Space Opens the System menu
Alt + Hyphen Opens the Document menu in MDI applications
Alt + Enter or Alt + Dbl Click Open the Property dialog
Alt + Left Arrow Moves forward through the history list
Alt + Right Arrow Moves backwards through the history list
Alt + Tab Cycles through open windows, and switches to the window when the Alt key is released
Alt + Shift + Tab Cycles backwards through open windows, and switches to the window when the Alt key is released
Alt + Esc Switches to the next open window
Alt + Shift + Esc Switches to the previous open window
Alt + Home Home Page
Left Arrow Collapse the current selection if it is expanded or Select the parent folder
Right Arrow Expand the current selection if it is collapsed or Select the first subfolder
Num Lock On + Minus Sign (-) Collapse the selected folder
Num Lock On + * Expand all folders below the current selection
Num Lock On + Plus Sign (+) Expand the selected folder
Home Top of File List
End Bottom of File List
[Characters] tyed without a pause Goto the object that starts with the characters that were typed
[Single Character] after a pause Goto the next object starting with that character
Backspace Go to the parent folder
Right Click the System Menu or the Folder Icon in Web View Pops up the context menu for the container
Drag an object onto a Windows Titlebar Opens that object in that window (dragging into the window will often work, but in OLE documents this will insert the object into the current document)
Drag an object over, then hover over a collapsed folder in Explorer's tree view Expands the folder display
Drag an object over, then hover over, a taskbar button Brings the Window attached to the Taskbar button to the top
Drag an object over, then hover over, a blank part of the taskbar Minimises all open windows

Function Keys
Key Description
F1 Starts Windows Help
F2 Renames the selected file
F3 Starts Find Files or Folders
F4 Opens the drop down address bar
Alt + F4 Closes the current window in Explorer, exits an application, or if the shell has the focus (ie Start Menu or the Desktop), exits Windows
F5 Refreshes the view in Explorer, Desktop, or Start Menu
F6 or Tab Switch between left and right panes
F10 Menu access key (same to pressing Alt by itself)
Shift + F10 or the Application key Context menu access key
Shift + Ctrl + F10 or Shift + Right Click Add Open With.. to Right Click Menu
F11 Toggles full screen view

Control Keys
Key Description
Ctrl + A Selects all files
Ctrl + B Organise Favourites (in an Explorer window)
Ctrl + C Copies a file
Ctrl + D If a file isn't selected adds the current folder to Favourites
Ctrl + E or Ctrl + F Opens the Search pane in Explorer
Ctrl + G Goto (older versions only)
Ctrl + H Opens the History pane in Explorer
Ctrl + H Opens the Favourites pane in Explorer
Ctrl + P Prints the Web View template part of the view if the Web View has the focus (this isn't a useful feature)
Ctrl + R Refreshes the view
Ctrl + V Pastes a file
Ctrl + W Closes an Explorer window
Ctrl + X Cuts a file
Ctrl + Z Undoes the last operation (if possible)

The Winkey
The Winkey works even if Explorer or the Shell doesn't have the focus.

Key Description
Winkey or Ctrl + Esc Opens the Start Menu
Winkey + B Set focus to the first icon in the System Notification Area.
Winkey + D Minimises and hides windows that can't be minimised or Unminimises/unhides all windows
Winkey + E Starts Explorer
Winkey + F Starts Find Files or Folders
Winkey + Ctrl + F Starts Find Computer
Winkey + M Minimises all windows that can be minimised
Winkey + Shift + M Unminimises all windows
Winkey + R Starts the Run Dialog
Winkey + F1 Starts Windows Help (F1 start help for the current application, if the focus is in Explorer or the desktop F1 also starts Windows Help)
Winkey + Tab Cycles through open windows with out bringing the Window to the top (press Enter)
Winkey + Break Starts System Properties

Windows 2000/XP Only

Key Description
Winkey + L Lock Workstation or Switch User (if Welcome Screen is on)
Winkey + U Accessability Utility Manager

Selecting
Key Description
Click an object Selects the object, cancelling any other selection.
Control + Click, or Control + Space Selects or unselects the object without cancelling any other selection.
Arrow Keys Moves the focus and selects the object.
Control + Arrow Keys Moves the focus without selecting the objects.
Shift + Arrow Keys Moves the focus and adds the object to the selected objects.
Click then Shift + Click Selects all objects between the two clicks.
Drag Drag a rectangle to select all objects within the rectangle.

Auto Complete
Key Description
Alt + Down Arrows (or double click) Opens the drop down list
Down Arrow Cycles from most recent to least recent Auto Complete suggestions. Will match suggestions that start with the characters to the left of the cursor. Only letters are able to be used for partial matches.
Up Arrow Cycles from least recent to most recent Auto Complete suggestions. Will match suggestions that start with the characters to the left of the cursor. Only letters are able to be used for partial matches. If no letters are entered then the Up Arrow is only valid after the Down Arrow has been used.
Right Arrow Goes to the end of the suggestion. Type or press up or down arrow to cycle through suggestions which begin with the characters to the left of the cursor.
Ctrl + Left or Right Arrow Moves cursor a word at a time, slashes and dots are considered word separators.
Ctrl + Enter Adds http://www. before the typed word and .com after it in the address bar.
Delete Deletes the highlighted suggestion for forms and passwords only.

Message Boxes and Error Dialogs
Key Description
Ctrl + C Copies the text of a message box to the clipboard.
Alt + D Shows details in an error dialog.


--
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html

"David Candy" wrote in message ...
Tools - Options - Read - Read All Messages In Plain Text

I've never ticked it. Last thing I want. I often post technical reference daya that only makes sense if it retains it's formatting, mainly tables.


--
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html

"+-J" wrote in message ...

David,

You wrote:
| If you attached a picture to a post OE display the picture after it displays the post. It's not emmbedded. If you insert a picture
then yes. But html posts get sent as html AND plain text.

I replied to Plato:

I have set my newsreader to display posts in TEXT-only mode.
I fail to see why people insist on posting in HTML or RTF, (or even write eMails in HTML).
Unfortunately, MS Outlook Express insists on displaying graphic files which are embedded in HTML posts!
(At least in MS Internet Explorer, displaying of graphic files can be disabled.)


| Jan and Plato are stark raving mad. They can chose to view the plain text in SP1 or later by ticking a box in options.

I *do* use OE 6 SP1 set to TEXT-only mode.
How do I stop OE from displaying *any* images at all?

In this newsgroup, I have *never* seen a need for a post to be in anything other than TEXT-only format.
(The CDO presents posts in TEXT-only mode so all HTML and RTF "markup" is lost. Also, there are no attachments.)
---
Jan


  #21  
Old August 6th 04, 01:22 AM
+-J
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Default New Imformation on System Restore HTML/hypoerlinks/clickability


"David Candy" wrote:

| Tools - Options - Read - Read All Messages In Plain Text
| I've never ticked it.

Mine has always been, and still is, ticked - I see all text as plain - which is what I want.
However, this setting does *not* stop OE from displaying *inserted* images.

MS Internet Explorer gives the user the choice of displaying images (or not).
Unfortunately for me, MS Outlook Express does not seem to have that option.

| Last thing I want. I often post technical reference data that only makes sense if it retains its formatting, mainly tables.

Noted.
---
Jan


"+-J" wrote:

David,

You wrote:
| If you attached a picture to a post OE display the picture after it displays the post. It's not emmbedded. If you insert a

picture
then yes. But html posts get sent as html AND plain text.

I replied to Plato:

I have set my newsreader to display posts in TEXT-only mode.
I fail to see why people insist on posting in HTML or RTF, (or even write eMails in HTML).
Unfortunately, MS Outlook Express insists on displaying graphic files which are embedded in HTML posts!
(At least in MS Internet Explorer, displaying of graphic files can be disabled.)


| Jan and Plato are stark raving mad. They can chose to view the plain text in SP1 or later by ticking a box in options.

I *do* use OE 6 SP1 set to TEXT-only mode.
How do I stop OE from displaying *any* images at all?

In this newsgroup, I have *never* seen a need for a post to be in anything other than TEXT-only format.
(The CDO presents posts in TEXT-only mode so all HTML and RTF "markup" is lost. Also, there are no attachments.)
---
Jan



  #22  
Old August 6th 04, 03:10 PM
Chad Harris
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Default New Imformation on System Restore Thanks key combo list!

David--

Thanks for the key combo list. I'm glad to get resources like this from you anytime. Appreciate it.

Chad Harris

_________________
"David Candy" wrote in message ...

To move around the desktop toolbars, Taskbar, Notification Area and the Desktop - press Ctrl + Escape (or the Winkey) to activate Start, Escape to cancel the menu, then Tab and Shift + Tab to the various parts of the screen. Use the arrow keys to move within a section. Winkey + B jumps straight to the System Notification Area.

Key Description
Delete key or Delete on the shortcut menu Deletes the file
Shift + Delete key or Shift + Delete on the shortcut menu Deletes the file and doesn't place it in the Reycle Bin
Dbl Click a drive shortcut, Rycycle Bin, Start Menu, or My Computer Opens an folder view of the double clicked item
Shift + Dbl Click a drive shortcut, Rycycle Bin, Start Menu, or My Computer Open an explorer view with the double clicked item selected
Shift + Close Button Closes the current folder and all parent folders
Shift + Drag Move a file (default when dragging on the same drive)
Shift + Right Click Opens the object's context menu with hidden verbs shown, if any
Shift + Send To menu Moves a file (default when sending on the same drive)
Shift + Insert a CD Prevents the CD from auto running
Shift + Starting Windows Doesn't run the programs in the startup folder
Shift + No in a file confirmation dialog Means No To All (XP)
Shift + View menu - Thumbnails Hides the label for the thumbnails. Repeat to Show (XP)
Ctrl + Dbl Click an object (such as a document file) Opens in the object behind other windows. Doesn't work on all objects
Ctrl + Close button Sets the system default settings, mainly sort order. Icon style is not affected
Ctrl + Close button in Picture & Fax Viewer Resets "Don't Show .... Again" dialog settings
Ctrl + Drag Copies a file (default for dragging between drives)
Ctrl + Send To menu Copies the file (default when sending between drives)
Ctrl + Send To menu Powertoys (except Send Contents to Clipboard) Sends the short name to the clipboard or run dialog
Ctrl + Send To menu Send Contents to Clipboard Powertoy Opens a dialog box to specify the data format
Ctrl + Shift + Drag
(also Alt + Drag) Creates a Shortcut rather than moving or copying a file (default when dragging only program files in 95, default for dragging files called setup.exe and install.exe later versions)
Ctrl + Shift + Send To menu Creates a Shortcut rather than moving or copying a file
Ctrl + Plus Key in Explorer Auto sizes all columns
Ctrl + Alt + Delete Starts the Close Program dialog box (Windows 9x), Security dialog (NT, 2000, XP if Welcome Screen disabled), and Task Manager (XP with Welcome Screen enabled)
Ctrl + Shift + Escape Starts the Close Program dialog box (Windows 9x) or Task Manager (NT, 2000, XP)
Ctrl + Alt + Shift and Close or Cancel in the Shutdown dialog Closes down Window's shell. Use Task Manager's File - Run dialog to start Explorer to restart the shell.
Ctrl + Click a Taskbar Button Select multiple Windows to tile or cascade (by right clicking the taskbar)
Alt + Space Opens the System menu
Alt + Hyphen Opens the Document menu in MDI applications
Alt + Enter or Alt + Dbl Click Open the Property dialog
Alt + Left Arrow Moves forward through the history list
Alt + Right Arrow Moves backwards through the history list
Alt + Tab Cycles through open windows, and switches to the window when the Alt key is released
Alt + Shift + Tab Cycles backwards through open windows, and switches to the window when the Alt key is released
Alt + Esc Switches to the next open window
Alt + Shift + Esc Switches to the previous open window
Alt + Home Home Page
Left Arrow Collapse the current selection if it is expanded or Select the parent folder
Right Arrow Expand the current selection if it is collapsed or Select the first subfolder
Num Lock On + Minus Sign (-) Collapse the selected folder
Num Lock On + * Expand all folders below the current selection
Num Lock On + Plus Sign (+) Expand the selected folder
Home Top of File List
End Bottom of File List
[Characters] tyed without a pause Goto the object that starts with the characters that were typed
[Single Character] after a pause Goto the next object starting with that character
Backspace Go to the parent folder
Right Click the System Menu or the Folder Icon in Web View Pops up the context menu for the container
Drag an object onto a Windows Titlebar Opens that object in that window (dragging into the window will often work, but in OLE documents this will insert the object into the current document)
Drag an object over, then hover over a collapsed folder in Explorer's tree view Expands the folder display
Drag an object over, then hover over, a taskbar button Brings the Window attached to the Taskbar button to the top
Drag an object over, then hover over, a blank part of the taskbar Minimises all open windows

Function Keys
Key Description
F1 Starts Windows Help
F2 Renames the selected file
F3 Starts Find Files or Folders
F4 Opens the drop down address bar
Alt + F4 Closes the current window in Explorer, exits an application, or if the shell has the focus (ie Start Menu or the Desktop), exits Windows
F5 Refreshes the view in Explorer, Desktop, or Start Menu
F6 or Tab Switch between left and right panes
F10 Menu access key (same to pressing Alt by itself)
Shift + F10 or the Application key Context menu access key
Shift + Ctrl + F10 or Shift + Right Click Add Open With.. to Right Click Menu
F11 Toggles full screen view

Control Keys
Key Description
Ctrl + A Selects all files
Ctrl + B Organise Favourites (in an Explorer window)
Ctrl + C Copies a file
Ctrl + D If a file isn't selected adds the current folder to Favourites
Ctrl + E or Ctrl + F Opens the Search pane in Explorer
Ctrl + G Goto (older versions only)
Ctrl + H Opens the History pane in Explorer
Ctrl + H Opens the Favourites pane in Explorer
Ctrl + P Prints the Web View template part of the view if the Web View has the focus (this isn't a useful feature)
Ctrl + R Refreshes the view
Ctrl + V Pastes a file
Ctrl + W Closes an Explorer window
Ctrl + X Cuts a file
Ctrl + Z Undoes the last operation (if possible)

The Winkey
The Winkey works even if Explorer or the Shell doesn't have the focus.

Key Description
Winkey or Ctrl + Esc Opens the Start Menu
Winkey + B Set focus to the first icon in the System Notification Area.
Winkey + D Minimises and hides windows that can't be minimised or Unminimises/unhides all windows
Winkey + E Starts Explorer
Winkey + F Starts Find Files or Folders
Winkey + Ctrl + F Starts Find Computer
Winkey + M Minimises all windows that can be minimised
Winkey + Shift + M Unminimises all windows
Winkey + R Starts the Run Dialog
Winkey + F1 Starts Windows Help (F1 start help for the current application, if the focus is in Explorer or the desktop F1 also starts Windows Help)
Winkey + Tab Cycles through open windows with out bringing the Window to the top (press Enter)
Winkey + Break Starts System Properties

Windows 2000/XP Only

Key Description
Winkey + L Lock Workstation or Switch User (if Welcome Screen is on)
Winkey + U Accessability Utility Manager

Selecting
Key Description
Click an object Selects the object, cancelling any other selection.
Control + Click, or Control + Space Selects or unselects the object without cancelling any other selection.
Arrow Keys Moves the focus and selects the object.
Control + Arrow Keys Moves the focus without selecting the objects.
Shift + Arrow Keys Moves the focus and adds the object to the selected objects.
Click then Shift + Click Selects all objects between the two clicks.
Drag Drag a rectangle to select all objects within the rectangle.

Auto Complete
Key Description
Alt + Down Arrows (or double click) Opens the drop down list
Down Arrow Cycles from most recent to least recent Auto Complete suggestions. Will match suggestions that start with the characters to the left of the cursor. Only letters are able to be used for partial matches.
Up Arrow Cycles from least recent to most recent Auto Complete suggestions. Will match suggestions that start with the characters to the left of the cursor. Only letters are able to be used for partial matches. If no letters are entered then the Up Arrow is only valid after the Down Arrow has been used.
Right Arrow Goes to the end of the suggestion. Type or press up or down arrow to cycle through suggestions which begin with the characters to the left of the cursor.
Ctrl + Left or Right Arrow Moves cursor a word at a time, slashes and dots are considered word separators.
Ctrl + Enter Adds http://www. before the typed word and .com after it in the address bar.
Delete Deletes the highlighted suggestion for forms and passwords only.

Message Boxes and Error Dialogs
Key Description
Ctrl + C Copies the text of a message box to the clipboard.
Alt + D Shows details in an error dialog.


--
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html

"David Candy" wrote in message ...
Tools - Options - Read - Read All Messages In Plain Text

I've never ticked it. Last thing I want. I often post technical reference daya that only makes sense if it retains it's formatting, mainly tables.


--
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html

"+-J" wrote in message ...

David,

You wrote:
| If you attached a picture to a post OE display the picture after it displays the post. It's not emmbedded. If you insert a picture
then yes. But html posts get sent as html AND plain text.

I replied to Plato:

I have set my newsreader to display posts in TEXT-only mode.
I fail to see why people insist on posting in HTML or RTF, (or even write eMails in HTML).
Unfortunately, MS Outlook Express insists on displaying graphic files which are embedded in HTML posts!
(At least in MS Internet Explorer, displaying of graphic files can be disabled.)


| Jan and Plato are stark raving mad. They can chose to view the plain text in SP1 or later by ticking a box in options.

I *do* use OE 6 SP1 set to TEXT-only mode.
How do I stop OE from displaying *any* images at all?

In this newsgroup, I have *never* seen a need for a post to be in anything other than TEXT-only format.
(The CDO presents posts in TEXT-only mode so all HTML and RTF "markup" is lost. Also, there are no attachments.)
---
Jan


  #23  
Old August 7th 04, 07:38 AM
Chad Harris
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Default New Imformation: Also Kelly's Line 227 Left: Set IE Fonts

Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why. This is after several posts in
plain text where plain text has been selected.
If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in html it
wasn't meant to happen.

The spell checker is not on the blink. I don't use one, so I have to watch
the typos. I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need help
spelling. I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news, it just drives
me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a learning
curve) it stops on many words and software terms that aren't misspelled.
So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from a website
(I'm sure you mean the url here), *you should to do it in notepad first.*
If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in OE, in
text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks in a
plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by opening
notepad and pasting them in there first?

Thanks,

Chad Harris
__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving. ) Other than that, you

were
posting in html, until this post.

As for the latter: Whenever you copy and paste from a website - paste it
into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
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"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Plato--

This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets is to use
the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you see here.

Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:

Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...smallertxt.reg

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Best,

Chad Harris
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"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
...
Chad Harris wrote:

There have been a number of installation errors of the July 27th

Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is

even
smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.







  #24  
Old August 7th 04, 10:18 AM
Kelly
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Chad,

Not to be rude, but this is getting old. Other than that, whatever html bar
you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP (thus also
meaning OE). And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the body. Notepad is a
simple text editor program that comes with all versions of Windows.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in
when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why. This is after several posts in
plain text where plain text has been selected.
If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in html it
wasn't meant to happen.

The spell checker is not on the blink. I don't use one, so I have to
watch
the typos. I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need help
spelling. I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news, it just
drives
me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a learning
curve) it stops on many words and software terms that aren't misspelled.
So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from a
website
(I'm sure you mean the url here), *you should to do it in notepad first.*
If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in OE, in
text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks in a
plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by opening
notepad and pasting them in there first?

Thanks,

Chad Harris
__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving. ) Other than that, you

were
posting in html, until this post.

As for the latter: Whenever you copy and paste from a website - paste it
into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm


"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Plato--

This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets is to
use
the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you see
here.

Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:

Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...smallertxt.reg

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Best,

Chad Harris
__________________________________________________ _____________________


"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
...
Chad Harris wrote:

There have been a number of installation errors of the July 27th

Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is

even
smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.









  #25  
Old August 7th 04, 11:36 AM
\James M. Callahan
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Default New Imformation: Also Kelly's Line 227 Left: Set IE Fonts

I think he means the toolbar that appears when you are composing a
message in OE and you select "Rich Text (HTML)" in the "Format"
menu.

J.M.C.

Kelly wrote in message
...
Chad,

Not to be rude, but this is getting old. Other than that, whatever html
bar you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP
(thus also meaning OE). And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the
body. Notepad is a simple text editor program that comes with all
versions of Windows.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in
when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why. This is after several posts

in
plain text where plain text has been selected.
If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in html

it
wasn't meant to happen.

The spell checker is not on the blink. I don't use one, so I have to
watch
the typos. I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need help
spelling. I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news, it just
drives
me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a learning
curve) it stops on many words and software terms that aren't

misspelled.
So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from a
website
(I'm sure you mean the url here), *you should to do it in notepad

first.*
If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in OE,

in
text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks in a
plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by opening
notepad and pasting them in there first?

Thanks,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving. ) Other than that, you

were
posting in html, until this post.

As for the latter: Whenever you copy and paste from a website - paste

it
into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm


"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Plato--

This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets is to
use
the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you see
here.

Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:

Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...smallertxt.reg

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Best,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ _____________________


"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
...
Chad Harris wrote:

There have been a number of installation errors of the July 27th

Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is

even
smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.





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  #26  
Old August 7th 04, 01:54 PM
Incognitus
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"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in

when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why.


Tools | Options | Send and uncheck 'Reply to messages using the format in
which they were sent'

snip

  #27  
Old August 7th 04, 02:18 PM
Chad Harris
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Default New Imformation: Also Kelly's Line 227 Left: Set IE Fonts

It is getting old Kelly The html bar I'm seeing as explicitly and expressly
as I can convey it is native to OE (and as you say a component of IE/XP) and
it shows up if I click FormatRich texthtml. *It's not part of any 3rd
party app.* It's native to OE meaning IE meaning XP. My question was not
*what notepad is or where I can find it*--it was introduced in Windows 95
(and there are many free apps that are notepad on steroids like Notepad
XP)--actually two different 3rd parties have that name--

http://www.acsoftware.org/

that have 10 X the features of Notepad, but I didn't see the point of
having to test paste a link into notepad if a plain link will show up as in
this message formatted in plain text--it just seemed like a wasted step.
But you always say things for a good reason, so I asked why and I'm still
asking why?

For whatever reason, once in a while when I open a new message or reply
message it shows up and if it does I click format and change back to plain
text and it's gone.

The ratio of times I posted in html versus plain text have been less than
..05% of posts. And I still don't understand what the **huge deal is about
posting in html*** partly for the reasons David Candy gave above, and
because bold text or underlining makes it easier than a lousy asterick to
emphasize a phrase and allow it to stand out. Italics have their place for
the same reason you see them every where else. Are there really that many
on dial up who are *that compromised by an ocassional italic or bold word?*
I wasn't talking about posting images or attachements, although there should
be a mechanism for that to happen too.

On one of the Office groups, because there have been an epidemic of problems
installing Office 2003 SP1 requiring the Resource Kit tools and
interpretation of Hotfix_MSI logs, MSFT has encouraged posting attachments
of the logs. It's the same kind of binary group as this one on the NTTP
newsreader.

Best,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Not to be rude, but this is getting old. Other than that, whatever html

bar
you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP (thus also
meaning OE). And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the body. Notepad is

a
simple text editor program that comes with all versions of Windows.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in
when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why. This is after several posts

in
plain text where plain text has been selected.
If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in html

it
wasn't meant to happen.

The spell checker is not on the blink. I don't use one, so I have to
watch
the typos. I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need help
spelling. I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news, it just
drives
me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a learning
curve) it stops on many words and software terms that aren't

misspelled.
So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from a
website
(I'm sure you mean the url here), *you should to do it in notepad

first.*
If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in OE,

in
text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks in a
plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by opening
notepad and pasting them in there first?

Thanks,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving. ) Other than that, you

were
posting in html, until this post.

As for the latter: Whenever you copy and paste from a website - paste

it
into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm


"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Plato--

This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets is to
use
the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you see
here.

Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:

Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...smallertxt.reg

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Best,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ _____________________


"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
...
Chad Harris wrote:

There have been a number of installation errors of the July 27th

Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is

even
smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.











  #28  
Old August 7th 04, 02:42 PM
Chad Harris
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I fail to see why people go nuts when you post in html if it's for a good
reason. I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you use italics,
underline or bold correctly. Does it create that much of a bandwidth
problem? It's not a large image. My posts in html weren't intentional on
this group although I have done it when I thought it was appropriate. They
were a function of that checkmark on the Send tab. And I still noticed the
html toolbar which *is native to OE messages* in rich text format, but since
I wasn't doing anything but hyperlinking, I didn't think it would be html.
The post that started the html question that Plato said "gave his eyes a
workout"--(I'm not sure what that means because his eyes have all the tools
to handle that and more anatomically and physiologically) but it came simply
from a font used on Kelly's web page when I pasted and I still cannot
understand why it is such a prodigious deal.

Even with the checkmark out of the box on that send tab, this message opened
up to post in html and I changed it to plain text.

So I'm still left with:

1) Why is posting in html a huge deal? I can site two ocassions on these
groups when MSFT OK'd posting up an attachment and posting in html (one
wasn't a public group) and one was a word group for the purpose of being
able to review verbose logs.

What's the problem for people if you use italics or a bold or underlined
word? I can understand Plato found that paste from Kelly's site small,
and it gave his eyes a "workout"--that I call normal physiology.
Particularly given David Candy's comments above (this being a binary group).
I thought that rich text was conceived for the same good reason that there
are multiple fonts.

2) What was Kelly's point about testing in note pad first. Testing what?
For why? A hyperlink in note pad for what reason?

Best,

Chad Harris
__________________________________________________ _______


"+-J" wrote in message
...

"Plato" |@|.| wrote:
| Chad Harris wrote:
|
| There have been a number of installation errors of the July 27th
|
| Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is even
| smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.

Plato,

I have set my newsreader to display posts in TEXT-only mode.
I fail to see why people insist on posting in HTML or RTF, (or even write
eMails in HTML).

Unfortunately, MS Outlook Express insists on displaying graphic files which
are embedded in HTML posts!
(At least in MS Internet Explorer, displaying of graphic files can be
disabled.)
---
Jan


  #29  
Old August 7th 04, 03:19 PM
David Candy
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"--(I'm not sure what that means because his eyes have all the tools
to handle that and more anatomically and physiologically)=20

How old are you? Under 40 I bet.
--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
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http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html

"Chad Harris" wrote in message =
...
I fail to see why people go nuts when you post in html if it's for a =

good
reason. I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you use italics,
underline or bold correctly. Does it create that much of a bandwidth
problem? It's not a large image. My posts in html weren't =

intentional on
this group although I have done it when I thought it was appropriate. =

They
were a function of that checkmark on the Send tab. And I still =

noticed the
html toolbar which *is native to OE messages* in rich text format, but =

since
I wasn't doing anything but hyperlinking, I didn't think it would be =

html.
The post that started the html question that Plato said "gave his eyes =

a
workout"--(I'm not sure what that means because his eyes have all the =

tools
to handle that and more anatomically and physiologically) but it came =

simply
from a font used on Kelly's web page when I pasted and I still cannot
understand why it is such a prodigious deal.
=20
Even with the checkmark out of the box on that send tab, this message =

opened
up to post in html and I changed it to plain text.
=20
So I'm still left with:
=20
1) Why is posting in html a huge deal? I can site two ocassions on =

these
groups when MSFT OK'd posting up an attachment and posting in html =

(one
wasn't a public group) and one was a word group for the purpose of =

being
able to review verbose logs.
=20
What's the problem for people if you use italics or a bold or =

underlined
word? I can understand Plato found that paste from Kelly's site =

small,
and it gave his eyes a "workout"--that I call normal physiology.
Particularly given David Candy's comments above (this being a binary =

group).
I thought that rich text was conceived for the same good reason that =

there
are multiple fonts.
=20
2) What was Kelly's point about testing in note pad first. Testing =

what?
For why? A hyperlink in note pad for what reason?
=20
Best,
=20
Chad Harris
__________________________________________________ _______
=20
=20
"+-J" wrote in message
...
=20
"Plato" |@|.| wrote:
| Chad Harris wrote:
|
| There have been a number of installation errors of the July 27th
|
| Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is =

even
| smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.
=20
Plato,
=20
I have set my newsreader to display posts in TEXT-only mode.
I fail to see why people insist on posting in HTML or RTF, (or even =

write
eMails in HTML).
=20
Unfortunately, MS Outlook Express insists on displaying graphic files =

which
are embedded in HTML posts!
(At least in MS Internet Explorer, displaying of graphic files can be
disabled.)
---
Jan
=20

  #30  
Old August 7th 04, 07:47 PM
Ken Blake
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In ,
Chad Harris typed:

I fail to see why people go nuts when you post in html if it's

for a
good reason. I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you

use
italics, underline or bold correctly. Does it create that much

of a
bandwidth problem?



"Going nuts' is perhaps too strong a reaction, but be aware that
there are several significant problems with html:

1. Html messages can carry viruses.

2. Html messages are bigger than text messages, often very much
bigger. That may not be a problem for you if, for example, you're
in the USA and have a fast connection. But realize that many
people use dial-up, either because that's all that's available to
them where they are, or because they can't afford anything
faster. Also in many other parts of the world, people pay for
their internet usage by the minute, and anything that increases
the size of messages is a great imposition to them.

3. Everyone's idea of what constitutes an attractive or improved
html message is different. You may think your html messages are
beautiful, but someone else might find them unreadable. I once
had a correspondent who would send me E-mail messages with red
text on a black background. I could barely make them out.

He finally stopped and switched to text when I threatened to
killfile him if he didn't. ;-)

--
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