IE11 & KB2670838

Is it possible to install Internet Explorer 11 without having to
install KB2670838?
When I try, the KB gets installed automatically; if I then uninstall
the KB, IE11 gets uninstalled as well.
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Norman B. Grover
Jerusalem, Israel

Norman B. Grover wrote:
Is it possible to install Internet Explorer 11 without having to
install KB2670838?
When I try, the KB gets installed automatically; if I then uninstall
the KB, IE11 gets uninstalled as well.

The easiest thing to do for such "dirty" software,
is to use a virtual machine when running it.

Microsoft offers unlicensed virtual machines, so
you can be running Win7 on top of Win7 if you want.

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...vms/#downloads

I use VirtualBox, but more than one hosting software
is supported. Install VirtualBox first. Do the download
from Microsoft second. Unpack the download. There
could be a .ova appliance file in the download.
Open that from VirtualBox to unpack the virtual
machine for usage.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

At one time, the Windows 7 version in the VM was
Win7 Enterprise. It will remain running forever...
if you only use it for 30 minutes at a time and
then shut down the VM. The Enterprise version
reboots if it doesn't have a license key, but the
time period before reboot is sufficient for
quick computing jobs. For example, I keep a copy
of MINGW in mine, and can do a compile or two before
shutdown.

I use VMs like this, to isolate pieces of software.
Some development environments have thousands of
files, and I don't want that bloat in my regular OS.

*******

IE11 uses hardware acceleration. Some of the updates
pulled in, are in order to support the hardware
acceleration.

Paul

"Norman B. Grover " wrote in message . ..

Is it possible to install Internet Explorer 11 without having to
install KB2670838?
When I try, the KB gets installed automatically; if I then uninstall
the KB, IE11 gets uninstalled as well.
--


No, KB2670838 is a prerequisite for IE11

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2847882
^^ Prerequisite updates for Internet Explorer 11

--
....winston
msft mvp

article , lid says...

Norman B. Grover wrote:
Is it possible to install Internet Explorer 11 without having to
install KB2670838?
When I try, the KB gets installed automatically; if I then uninstall
the KB, IE11 gets uninstalled as well.

The easiest thing to do for such "dirty" software,
is to use a virtual machine when running it.

Microsoft offers unlicensed virtual machines, so
you can be running Win7 on top of Win7 if you want.

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...vms/#downloads

I use VirtualBox, but more than one hosting software
is supported. Install VirtualBox first. Do the download
from Microsoft second. Unpack the download. There
could be a .ova appliance file in the download.
Open that from VirtualBox to unpack the virtual
machine for usage.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

At one time, the Windows 7 version in the VM was
Win7 Enterprise. It will remain running forever...
if you only use it for 30 minutes at a time and
then shut down the VM. The Enterprise version
reboots if it doesn't have a license key, but the
time period before reboot is sufficient for
quick computing jobs. For example, I keep a copy
of MINGW in mine, and can do a compile or two before
shutdown.

I use VMs like this, to isolate pieces of software.
Some development environments have thousands of
files, and I don't want that bloat in my regular OS.

*******

IE11 uses hardware acceleration. Some of the updates
pulled in, are in order to support the hardware
acceleration.

Paul

Thank you for your detailed reply. Actually, I was aware of the VM option
but decided to go another route.

My problem really is with the Resource Monitor: with KB2670838 installed
and the Display on my high-resolution monitor set to 100%, the Resource
Monitor window opens (and remains) blank. This is a well-known bug in the
KB but I could find no fix that works other than dumping the KB or
reducing the Display back to 100%.

Can you help or should I start a new thread?

--

Norman B. Grover
Jerusalem, Israel

Norman B. Grover wrote:
article , lid says...
Norman B. Grover wrote:
Is it possible to install Internet Explorer 11 without having to
install KB2670838?
When I try, the KB gets installed automatically; if I then uninstall
the KB, IE11 gets uninstalled as well.
The easiest thing to do for such "dirty" software,
is to use a virtual machine when running it.

Microsoft offers unlicensed virtual machines, so
you can be running Win7 on top of Win7 if you want.

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...vms/#downloads

I use VirtualBox, but more than one hosting software
is supported. Install VirtualBox first. Do the download
from Microsoft second. Unpack the download. There
could be a .ova appliance file in the download.
Open that from VirtualBox to unpack the virtual
machine for usage.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

At one time, the Windows 7 version in the VM was
Win7 Enterprise. It will remain running forever...
if you only use it for 30 minutes at a time and
then shut down the VM. The Enterprise version
reboots if it doesn't have a license key, but the
time period before reboot is sufficient for
quick computing jobs. For example, I keep a copy
of MINGW in mine, and can do a compile or two before
shutdown.

I use VMs like this, to isolate pieces of software.
Some development environments have thousands of
files, and I don't want that bloat in my regular OS.

*******

IE11 uses hardware acceleration. Some of the updates
pulled in, are in order to support the hardware
acceleration.

Paul

Thank you for your detailed reply. Actually, I was aware of the VM option
but decided to go another route.

My problem really is with the Resource Monitor: with KB2670838 installed
and the Display on my high-resolution monitor set to 100%, the Resource
Monitor window opens (and remains) blank. This is a well-known bug in the
KB but I could find no fix that works other than dumping the KB or
reducing the Display back to 100%.

Can you help or should I start a new thread?


Yes, confirmed here.

http://superuser.com/questions/58584...7-classic-disp

And it's pretty amazing that the KB is full of problems,
but doesn't manage to list the Resource Monitor problem.
I'm not seeing a suggested leverage point in any
discussions of the problem. Maybe the hints here
will give you some idea what to try changing.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2670838

The article here implies that 2670838 updated DirectX
to 11.1. And it's a marketing thing, that there is
no path after 11.1.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/kb/179113

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/chu...dows-7-update/

Paul

[This followup was posted to alt.windows7.general and a copy was sent to
the cited author.]

In article , lid says...

Norman B. Grover wrote:
article , lid says...
Norman B. Grover wrote:
Is it possible to install Internet Explorer 11 without having to
install KB2670838?
When I try, the KB gets installed automatically; if I then uninstall
the KB, IE11 gets uninstalled as well.
The easiest thing to do for such "dirty" software,
is to use a virtual machine when running it.

Microsoft offers unlicensed virtual machines, so
you can be running Win7 on top of Win7 if you want.

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...vms/#downloads

I use VirtualBox, but more than one hosting software
is supported. Install VirtualBox first. Do the download
from Microsoft second. Unpack the download. There
could be a .ova appliance file in the download.
Open that from VirtualBox to unpack the virtual
machine for usage.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

At one time, the Windows 7 version in the VM was
Win7 Enterprise. It will remain running forever...
if you only use it for 30 minutes at a time and
then shut down the VM. The Enterprise version
reboots if it doesn't have a license key, but the
time period before reboot is sufficient for
quick computing jobs. For example, I keep a copy
of MINGW in mine, and can do a compile or two before
shutdown.

I use VMs like this, to isolate pieces of software.
Some development environments have thousands of
files, and I don't want that bloat in my regular OS.

*******

IE11 uses hardware acceleration. Some of the updates
pulled in, are in order to support the hardware
acceleration.

Paul

Thank you for your detailed reply. Actually, I was aware of the VM option
but decided to go another route.

My problem really is with the Resource Monitor: with KB2670838 installed
and the Display on my high-resolution monitor set to 100%, the Resource
Monitor window opens (and remains) blank. This is a well-known bug in the
KB but I could find no fix that works other than dumping the KB or
reducing the Display back to 100%.

Can you help or should I start a new thread?


Yes, confirmed here.

http://superuser.com/questions/58584...7-classic-disp

And it's pretty amazing that the KB is full of problems,
but doesn't manage to list the Resource Monitor problem.
I'm not seeing a suggested leverage point in any
discussions of the problem. Maybe the hints here
will give you some idea what to try changing.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2670838

The article here implies that 2670838 updated DirectX
to 11.1. And it's a marketing thing, that there is
no path after 11.1.

Thank you for the various links.
What I was able to learn was that there are 3 basic ways to get the
Resource Monitor to display properly: (1)uninstall KB2670838 (and the
associated IE), (2)decrease the display to 100%, (3)change the theme from
classic to aero. Not much of a choice, considering the side effects.

You wouldn't happen to know how I can install the Language Package in
Windows 7 x64 Pro SP1 without installing IE10+, would you? That's the
only reason I need IE10+.


--

Norman B. Grover
Jerusalem, Israel

Norman B. Grover wrote:
[This followup was posted to alt.windows7.general and a copy was sent to
the cited author.]

In article , lid says...
Norman B. Grover wrote:
article , lid says...
Norman B. Grover wrote:
Is it possible to install Internet Explorer 11 without having to
install KB2670838?
When I try, the KB gets installed automatically; if I then uninstall
the KB, IE11 gets uninstalled as well.
The easiest thing to do for such "dirty" software,
is to use a virtual machine when running it.

Microsoft offers unlicensed virtual machines, so
you can be running Win7 on top of Win7 if you want.

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...vms/#downloads

I use VirtualBox, but more than one hosting software
is supported. Install VirtualBox first. Do the download
from Microsoft second. Unpack the download. There
could be a .ova appliance file in the download.
Open that from VirtualBox to unpack the virtual
machine for usage.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

At one time, the Windows 7 version in the VM was
Win7 Enterprise. It will remain running forever...
if you only use it for 30 minutes at a time and
then shut down the VM. The Enterprise version
reboots if it doesn't have a license key, but the
time period before reboot is sufficient for
quick computing jobs. For example, I keep a copy
of MINGW in mine, and can do a compile or two before
shutdown.

I use VMs like this, to isolate pieces of software.
Some development environments have thousands of
files, and I don't want that bloat in my regular OS.

*******

IE11 uses hardware acceleration. Some of the updates
pulled in, are in order to support the hardware
acceleration.

Paul
Thank you for your detailed reply. Actually, I was aware of the VM option
but decided to go another route.

My problem really is with the Resource Monitor: with KB2670838 installed
and the Display on my high-resolution monitor set to 100%, the Resource
Monitor window opens (and remains) blank. This is a well-known bug in the
KB but I could find no fix that works other than dumping the KB or
reducing the Display back to 100%.

Can you help or should I start a new thread?

Yes, confirmed here.

http://superuser.com/questions/58584...7-classic-disp

And it's pretty amazing that the KB is full of problems,
but doesn't manage to list the Resource Monitor problem.
I'm not seeing a suggested leverage point in any
discussions of the problem. Maybe the hints here
will give you some idea what to try changing.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2670838

The article here implies that 2670838 updated DirectX
to 11.1. And it's a marketing thing, that there is
no path after 11.1.

Thank you for the various links.
What I was able to learn was that there are 3 basic ways to get the
Resource Monitor to display properly: (1)uninstall KB2670838 (and the
associated IE), (2)decrease the display to 100%, (3)change the theme from
classic to aero. Not much of a choice, considering the side effects.

You wouldn't happen to know how I can install the Language Package in
Windows 7 x64 Pro SP1 without installing IE10+, would you? That's the
only reason I need IE10+.

No idea on Language Packs.

The recipe here is "the Microsoft way", so probably won't help.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...uninstall.html

Paul

[This followup was posted to alt.windows7.general and a copy was sent to
the cited author.]

In article , lid says...

Norman B. Grover wrote:
[This followup was posted to alt.windows7.general and a copy was sent to
the cited author.]

In article , lid says...
Norman B. Grover wrote:
article , lid says...
Norman B. Grover wrote:
Is it possible to install Internet Explorer 11 without having to
install KB2670838?
When I try, the KB gets installed automatically; if I then uninstall
the KB, IE11 gets uninstalled as well.
The easiest thing to do for such "dirty" software,
is to use a virtual machine when running it.

Microsoft offers unlicensed virtual machines, so
you can be running Win7 on top of Win7 if you want.

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...vms/#downloads

I use VirtualBox, but more than one hosting software
is supported. Install VirtualBox first. Do the download
from Microsoft second. Unpack the download. There
could be a .ova appliance file in the download.
Open that from VirtualBox to unpack the virtual
machine for usage.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

At one time, the Windows 7 version in the VM was
Win7 Enterprise. It will remain running forever...
if you only use it for 30 minutes at a time and
then shut down the VM. The Enterprise version
reboots if it doesn't have a license key, but the
time period before reboot is sufficient for
quick computing jobs. For example, I keep a copy
of MINGW in mine, and can do a compile or two before
shutdown.

I use VMs like this, to isolate pieces of software.
Some development environments have thousands of
files, and I don't want that bloat in my regular OS.

*******

IE11 uses hardware acceleration. Some of the updates
pulled in, are in order to support the hardware
acceleration.

Paul
Thank you for your detailed reply. Actually, I was aware of the VM option
but decided to go another route.

My problem really is with the Resource Monitor: with KB2670838 installed
and the Display on my high-resolution monitor set to 100%, the Resource
Monitor window opens (and remains) blank. This is a well-known bug in the
KB but I could find no fix that works other than dumping the KB or
reducing the Display back to 100%.

Can you help or should I start a new thread?

Yes, confirmed here.

http://superuser.com/questions/58584...7-classic-disp

And it's pretty amazing that the KB is full of problems,
but doesn't manage to list the Resource Monitor problem.
I'm not seeing a suggested leverage point in any
discussions of the problem. Maybe the hints here
will give you some idea what to try changing.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2670838

The article here implies that 2670838 updated DirectX
to 11.1. And it's a marketing thing, that there is
no path after 11.1.

Thank you for the various links.
What I was able to learn was that there are 3 basic ways to get the
Resource Monitor to display properly: (1)uninstall KB2670838 (and the
associated IE), (2)decrease the display to 100%, (3)change the theme from
classic to aero. Not much of a choice, considering the side effects.

You wouldn't happen to know how I can install the Language Package in
Windows 7 x64 Pro SP1 without installing IE10+, would you? That's the
only reason I need IE10+.

No idea on Language Packs.

The recipe here is "the Microsoft way", so probably won't help.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...uninstall.html

Paul

That article applies to Windows 7 Ultimate and Enterprise; I've got the
Pro version, unfortunately.
Thanks for trying.

--

Norman B. Grover
Jerusalem, Israel