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  #16  
Old December 16th 16, 10:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
...winston[_2_]
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"Mayayana" wrote in message news

$60. But it's not clear whether it's really full retail
version (which can be installed on multiple
computers as long as it's only one at a time)
or "full oem", which is keyed to a single machine.
****It says "full version & upgrade"****


A retail(i.e. not OEM) version of Win7 would include both 32 and 64 bit DVDs.
- one product key for use on either bitness(x86 or x64)
- different product keys are issued for full or upgrade media though the media is identical
- full version product key can perform a clean or upgrade install
- upgrade version product can perform an upgrade install and indirectly a clean install. For the latter quite a few articles can be
found on how to use the media to perform a Win7 clean install using the upgrade product key yet the majority of those are not
focused on new or previously formatted pcs(i.e. upgrade media with its product key needs to initially see the prior qualifying
o/s).

All OEM System Builder media is full version media with it included(or provided) product key.

Good luck on your build.

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  #17  
Old December 17th 16, 12:51 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul in Houston TX[_2_]
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Mayayana wrote:
"Mayayana" wrote

An update about Tigerdirect, for anyone who
might be interested: I just placed an
order yesterday. It turns out they were bought
by "PC Mall", pcm.com. It's no longer the same
company at all. They seem to be just a middleman
operation now, with support and sales staff based
in someplace like India. Previously, a TD order
came from the TD warehouse, in a single box.
This order is being shipped with each piece coming
from a different, unnamed source. I've got something
like 8 packages coming for 10 items. They mixed
up the email address. The shipping invoice was
confusing. They did, at least, get the order right.
It looks like the whole thing will eventually work out
and that the mixups are mainly just a result of them
not being very organized, but I don't think I'll deal
with them again.


Any Fry's near you? They stock actual electronic components.
http://www.frys.com/ac/storeinfo/storelocator
I like them a little better than Microcenter.

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Old December 17th 16, 02:17 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Paul in Houston TX"
|
| Any Fry's near you? They stock actual electronic components.
| http://www.frys.com/ac/storeinfo/storelocator
| I like them a little better than Microcenter.
|

I thought about that because I had the sense that
people like Fry's. But I'm in Boston. I think the nearest
is florida or Indiana. Though it might be a feasible
place to have stock shipped from. The one sample
check I did, for the cost of a motherboard, turned
up the cheapest price I've found for that particular
board.


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Old December 17th 16, 02:24 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"...winston" wrote

| A retail(i.e. not OEM) version of Win7 would include both 32 and 64 bit
DVDs.
| - one product key for use on either bitness(x86 or x64)
| - different product keys are issued for full or upgrade media though the
media is identical
| - full version product key can perform a clean or upgrade install
| - upgrade version product can perform an upgrade install and indirectly a
clean install. For the latter quite a few articles can be
| found on how to use the media to perform a Win7 clean install using the
upgrade product key yet the majority of those are not
| focused on new or previously formatted pcs(i.e. upgrade media with its
product key needs to initially see the prior qualifying
| o/s).
|
| All OEM System Builder media is full version media with it included(or
provided) product key.
|
| Good luck on your build.
|

Thanks, Winston. It used to be that "full"
referred to full, rather than OEM. But now
one often sees "full OEM". When they say
"full retail" I figure that might mean an actual
full version license, but it's hard to know.
There doesn't seem to be an official name
for the version that can be transferred to
different machines and resold.

That's a big difference in my mind. And
there's typically about $100 difference in
cost. If it's OEM (or "system builder") then it
dies with the motherboard, while a full version
can be used for as long as hardware supports
the Windows version.

I ended up getting an OEM version for
$115. Not a terrible price. The eBay options
are tempting but there are just too many
question marks for my taste.


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Old December 17th 16, 04:51 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
pyotr filipivich
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"Mayayana" on Fri, 16 Dec 2016 20:24:46
-0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"...winston" wrote

| A retail(i.e. not OEM) version of Win7 would include both 32 and 64 bit
DVDs.
| - one product key for use on either bitness(x86 or x64)
| - different product keys are issued for full or upgrade media though the
media is identical
| - full version product key can perform a clean or upgrade install
| - upgrade version product can perform an upgrade install and indirectly a
clean install. For the latter quite a few articles can be
| found on how to use the media to perform a Win7 clean install using the
upgrade product key yet the majority of those are not
| focused on new or previously formatted pcs(i.e. upgrade media with its
product key needs to initially see the prior qualifying
| o/s).
|
| All OEM System Builder media is full version media with it included(or
provided) product key.
|
| Good luck on your build.
|

Thanks, Winston. It used to be that "full"
referred to full, rather than OEM. But now
one often sees "full OEM". When they say
"full retail" I figure that might mean an actual
full version license, but it's hard to know.
There doesn't seem to be an official name
for the version that can be transferred to
different machines and resold.

That's a big difference in my mind. And
there's typically about $100 difference in
cost. If it's OEM (or "system builder") then it
dies with the motherboard, while a full version
can be used for as long as hardware supports
the Windows version.


And people wondered why I wanted my own discs.

tschus
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Old December 17th 16, 08:31 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
...winston‫
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Mayayana wrote:
"...winston" wrote

| A retail(i.e. not OEM) version of Win7 would include both 32 and 64 bit
DVDs.
| - one product key for use on either bitness(x86 or x64)
| - different product keys are issued for full or upgrade media though the
media is identical
| - full version product key can perform a clean or upgrade install
| - upgrade version product can perform an upgrade install and indirectly a
clean install. For the latter quite a few articles can be
| found on how to use the media to perform a Win7 clean install using the
upgrade product key yet the majority of those are not
| focused on new or previously formatted pcs(i.e. upgrade media with its
product key needs to initially see the prior qualifying
| o/s).
|
| All OEM System Builder media is full version media with it included(or
provided) product key.
|
| Good luck on your build.
|

Thanks, Winston. It used to be that "full"
referred to full, rather than OEM. But now
one often sees "full OEM". When they say
"full retail" I figure that might mean an actual
full version license, but it's hard to know.
There doesn't seem to be an official name
for the version that can be transferred to
different machines and resold.

That's a big difference in my mind. And
there's typically about $100 difference in
cost. If it's OEM (or "system builder") then it
dies with the motherboard, while a full version
can be used for as long as hardware supports
the Windows version.

I ended up getting an OEM version for
$115. Not a terrible price. The eBay options
are tempting but there are just too many
question marks for my taste.


Once activated you should be fine with the OEM version for a new device.

All OEM Win7 is full version media and unique in that it only performs a
clean install to new bare metal. As you've noted there are risks out
there in the seller market depending upon the source.

IIrc, it(OEM System Builder media) still provides some of the same
flexibility after Win7 is installed and activated if problems are
encountered down the road on the same device permitting the end-user to
repair or clean install since it uses the same installer as full version
and as a result permits use as a repair disk/install if needed and if
doing the latter, you may or may not be prompted for the product
key(i.e. keep that number in a safe place!).

One unique difference between Retail vs. OEM is the PID-Product ID(not
Product Key). A unique and different PID is created each and every time
an install is performed. The PID is used by MSFT to determine the
support level. Since the PID for an OEM is OEM unique, it means that
the System Builder is responsible for support not MSFT..but from what
I've seen from your experience in the past, your need of MSFT support
personnel is slim or next to none. There are few other
technicalities/legal language on using System Builder media for personal
use but you really need not have concern on that front. No check or
monitoring is done by Microsoft.[1]

[1] OT info - Windows 8.0 was the only System Builder media that
permitted 'Personal Use'. System Builder's by definition(for 7, 8.1, 10
but not 8.0) are required to provide the media and the device - i.e. the
entire package sold to another end-user. Microsoft doesn't monitor if
its a system sold or personally built system and its in their best
interest for folks to use MSFT software thus permits sale of OEM System
Builder media by approved resellers(Tiger, Amazon, NewEgg etc.) but as
you've noted there can be unknowns when the media was previously
owned(or still in use) and made available in the aftermarket.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

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