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WD "Blue" vs "Red"
SSD'S have a proven history of going belly up over night with NO warning.
wont have one in my systems until that problem and a good advanced warning system is standard with the drives -- AL'S COMPUTERS "Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message news On 12/20/2016 8:30 PM, Paul wrote: Ant wrote: pjp wrote: In article , lid says... Somebody I know needs a new system drive for their desktop PC. I have always used 5400 RPM WD Reds and have had pretty good luck with them, but I see that 7200 RPM Blues are about fifteen dollars cheaper - but I have zero experience with Blues. Would anybody care to comment on the tradeoffs? I avoid 5400 RPM drives if possible, 7200 are always so much faster. Me too. Wait, why do we have not faster HDD speeds? 7200 is like old. LOL. They make 15K drives. That's the fastest I know of. Those can be noisy, so you'd want to hear one, before you buy one :-) These are definitely not good drives for your bedroom. The designers assumed these drives are all locked in a server room, and they're not intended for home computing. Now that they've perfected helium-filled HDAs, I think they could make a faster one. But, they won't. For one thing, the read channel may not have room for a higher transfer rate signal. A good 7200 RPM is 210MB/sec, a 15K drive is around 300MB/sec. So the sequential isn't that much better. The 15K has better seek time. Also, the areal density is lower. They would make a good boot drive and that's about it. A single platter might be 300GB, versus 1TB on the 7200 RPM drives. Paul Yes the Seagate Cheetah 15,000 rpm drives are still readily available, but why a desktop user would want one is beyond me with all the SSDs now available. Rene |
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On 2016-12-21, Andy wrote:
SSD'S have a proven history of going belly up over night with NO warning. wont have one in my systems until that problem and a good advanced warning system is standard with the drives I've had that happen with mechanical drives as well. That's what backups are for. I've been using SSDs for years now and would never want to go back. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Roger Blake wrote:
On 2016-12-21, Andy wrote: SSD'S have a proven history of going belly up over night with NO warning. wont have one in my systems until that problem and a good advanced warning system is standard with the drives I've had that happen with mechanical drives as well. That's what backups are for. I've been using SSDs for years now and would never want to go back. Ditto. My three years old Seagate HDD died overnight with its click of deaths a couple months ago. -- Happy Holidays/Season's Greetings/Merry Christmas/Etc. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- ( ) ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. |
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 19:45:26 -0600, (Ant) wrote: pjp wrote: In article , lid says... Somebody I know needs a new system drive for their desktop PC. I have always used 5400 RPM WD Reds and have had pretty good luck with them, but I see that 7200 RPM Blues are about fifteen dollars cheaper - but I have zero experience with Blues. Would anybody care to comment on the tradeoffs? I avoid 5400 RPM drives if possible, 7200 are always so much faster. Me too. Wait, why do we have not faster HDD speeds? 7200 is like old. We do, sort of. We have SSDs. They're not HDs of course, but they are substitutes for them. And in al probability, in only a few years, SSDs will have completely replaced HDs. I hope so. SSDs are still too expesnive for their huge sizes. -- Happy Holidays/Season's Greetings/Merry Christmas/Etc. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- ( ) ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. |
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On 12/20/2016 07:45 PM, Ant wrote:
[snip] Me too. Wait, why do we have not faster HDD speeds? 7200 is like old. LOL. I thought there were some 10000 around, although I don't know of any now. Maybe its too expensive to make them that fast. -- 4 days until the winter celebration (Sunday December 25, 2016 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Theology is the effort to explain the unknowable in terms of the not worth knowing." -- H.L Mencken |
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Ant wrote:
Roger Blake wrote: On 2016-12-21, Andy wrote: SSD'S have a proven history of going belly up over night with NO warning. wont have one in my systems until that problem and a good advanced warning system is standard with the drives I've had that happen with mechanical drives as well. That's what backups are for. I've been using SSDs for years now and would never want to go back. Ditto. My three years old Seagate HDD died overnight with its click of deaths a couple months ago. I bet you watch the hard drives more carefully now. SMART helps a bit. But is not perfect. A simple read benchmark over the surface of the drive, gives some idea how healthy it is. You can spot a bad patch of platter, before SMART reports the reallocations associated with the bad patch. I think hard drives have a slight edge on the degradation topic. At least, as long as you're watching for signs of trouble. If all you're doing is "listening for clicks" that is too late in the process. Paul |
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Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 12/20/2016 07:45 PM, Ant wrote: [snip] Me too. Wait, why do we have not faster HDD speeds? 7200 is like old. LOL. I thought there were some 10000 around, although I don't know of any now. Maybe its too expensive to make them that fast. The 10K may be dying out. AFAIK, only WDC made 10K drives, the Raptor family. The 15K drives are still around. Try Newegg. And notice how low the capacity of the drives are. 900GB is a "big one". That's probably a 3-platter drive, although I couldn't get a spec. Paul |
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Seagate says it all ant i used to swear by them until they got bought out
now they are a so so drive. -- AL'S COMPUTERS "Ant" wrote in message ... Roger Blake wrote: On 2016-12-21, Andy wrote: SSD'S have a proven history of going belly up over night with NO warning. wont have one in my systems until that problem and a good advanced warning system is standard with the drives I've had that happen with mechanical drives as well. That's what backups are for. I've been using SSDs for years now and would never want to go back. Ditto. My three years old Seagate HDD died overnight with its click of deaths a couple months ago. -- Happy Holidays/Season's Greetings/Merry Christmas/Etc. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- ( ) ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. |
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En el artículo , Mark Lloyd
escribió: I thought there were some 10000 around, although I don't know of any now. WD Velociraptor, current product. http://products.wdc.com/library/?id=339&type=8 -- (\_/) (='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10 (")_(") |
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Andy wrote:
Seagate says it all ant i used to swear by them until they got bought out now they are a so so drive. So, what are good brands these days? -- Happy Holidays/Season's Greetings/Merry Christmas/Etc. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- ( ) ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. |
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Western Digital Some Seagate products.
The Hitachi drives are the one HP seems to favor in its lap tops a drive i stay away from. -- AL'S COMPUTERS "Ant" wrote in message ... Andy wrote: Seagate says it all ant i used to swear by them until they got bought out now they are a so so drive. So, what are good brands these days? -- Happy Holidays/Season's Greetings/Merry Christmas/Etc. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- ( ) ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. |
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 02:48:29 -0500, "Andy" wrote:
Western Digital Some Seagate products. The Hitachi drives are the one HP seems to favor in its lap tops a drive i stay away from. Some companies that use a lot of drives publish the measured reliability https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-...stats-q1-2016/ the long term stats tell you about the drive models they use if you read the text they dont use bigger then 4T drives in volume at present. Stephen Hope Replace xyz with ntl to reply |
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Andy wrote:
Western Digital Some Seagate products. I hope WD Green and Blue are good since I am using them! -- Happy Holidays/Season's Greetings/Merry Christmas/Etc. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- ( ) ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. |
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WD "Blue" vs "Red"
Green is the eco friendly ones with the spin down if idle set up in the firm
ware. Blue is the normal every day drive WITH OUT the eco friendly stuff -- AL'S COMPUTERS "Ant" wrote in message news Andy wrote: Western Digital Some Seagate products. I hope WD Green and Blue are good since I am using them! -- Happy Holidays/Season's Greetings/Merry Christmas/Etc. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- ( ) ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. |
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