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Old June 19th 18, 01:16 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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I want to replace a 1 TB drive that's on it's last legs with a 2-TB drive.

I imaged the sick drive with Macrium Reflect, creating a single file.

Here's what the drive looked like in Disk Manager:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rEFsF2H9F7mNJXjRA

When I just restore the image to the 2 TB file, I get a system that works,
but the additional space is unavailable for expansion of the "Data" partition
because "HP_RECOVERY" sits in the middle - between existing "Data" and the
new unused space.

I've tried to fool Mother Nature a number of ways - but with no success.

It seems like that HP_RECOVERY is both essential to the day-to-day operation
of the system ("Recovery" ????) AND is required to be the third partition
because I've tried to force the issue by allocating a beeeeg "Data" and then
restoring HP_RECOVERY at the end - but to no avail.

Is this a fool's errand?

My agenda is to make that extra TB available as part of the "Data" partition
so I have almost 1.5 TB available for "Data".
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Old June 19th 18, 01:42 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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PeteCresswell wrote:

I want to replace a 1 TB drive that's on it's last legs with a 2-TB
drive. I imaged the sick drive with Macrium Reflect, creating a
single file. When I just restore the image to the 2 TB file, I get a
system that works, but the additional space is unavailable for
expansion of the "Data" partition because "HP_RECOVERY" sits in the
middle - between existing "Data" and the new unused space.

I've tried to fool Mother Nature a number of ways - but with no success.


That means you may get suggestions that duplicate your unidentified
"number of ways".

My agenda is to make that extra TB available as part of the "Data" partition
so I have almost 1.5 TB available for "Data".


When you restored using Macrium, you could've enlarged the target or
destination partition. When presented with the target partition, you
could've resized it. Cannot resize smaller than the restore image but
can enlarge (image gets restored and partition gets enlarged). Since
you didn't do it at that time, you can enlarge the partition using a
variety of free partitioning tools, like:

Easeus Partition Master
https://www.easeus.com/partition-manager/epm-free.html

Aomei Partition Assistant Standard
https://www.aomeitech.com/pa/standard.html
(looks like a clone of Easeus' product)

Minitool Partition Wizard
https://www.minitool.com/partition-m...zard-home.html

Paragon Partition Manager Free
https://www.paragon-software.com/free/pm-express/

Active@ Partition Manager
http://www.lsoft.net/partman.aspx

and good old Gparted (as a bootable CD or USB drive)
https://gparted.org/download.php
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Old June 19th 18, 02:04 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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(PeteCresswell) wrote:
I want to replace a 1 TB drive that's on it's last legs with a 2-TB drive.

I imaged the sick drive with Macrium Reflect, creating a single file.

Here's what the drive looked like in Disk Manager:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rEFsF2H9F7mNJXjRA

When I just restore the image to the 2 TB file, I get a system that works,
but the additional space is unavailable for expansion of the "Data" partition
because "HP_RECOVERY" sits in the middle - between existing "Data" and the
new unused space.

I've tried to fool Mother Nature a number of ways - but with no success.

It seems like that HP_RECOVERY is both essential to the day-to-day operation
of the system ("Recovery" ????) AND is required to be the third partition
because I've tried to force the issue by allocating a beeeeg "Data" and then
restoring HP_RECOVERY at the end - but to no avail.

Is this a fool's errand?

My agenda is to make that extra TB available as part of the "Data" partition
so I have almost 1.5 TB available for "Data".


I had an answer all written up, but had to start over again.

Thought of an easier way.

*******

Original setup:

P1 P2 P4 P3
+-----+-----------------+-------------+---------------+---------------+
| MBR | System Reserved | OS C: | DATA | HP Recovery |
+-----+-----------------+-------------+---------------+---------------+

You will need to use the Macrium Restore function *3* times.

1) Restore the first two partitions.

P1 P2
+-----+-----------------+-------------+
| MBR | System Reserved | OS C: |
+-----+-----------------+-------------+

2) Restore the HP Recovery partition, by dragging and dropping it onto
the end of the new drive.

P1 P2 P3
+-----+-----------------+-------------+---------------+
| MBR | System Reserved | OS C: | HP Recovery |
+-----+-----------------+-------------+---------------+

3) Restore the DATA partition. Drag and drop DATA onto the end of the
target drive. Hit the NEXT button. Hit the BACK button. Right-click
the DATA partition to get the "resize/align" menu. Resize the partition
to fill the disk.

P1 P2 P3 P4
+-----+-----------------+-------------+---------------+--------------------+
| MBR | System Reserved | OS C: | HP Recovery | DATA |
+-----+-----------------+-------------+---------------+--------------------+

No other tools needed.

You can use "diskpart" to select disk 0, list partitions,
and see which partition is in which partition slot. I think
the third partition in your source drive, is in the fourth slot
of the partition table. And I'm hoping that no harm will be done
when putting the partitions back. You see, not only are you
cloning the disk, you're also putting the partitions back
in "partition table order". Any software using partition
numbers should remain happy, as a result of the original mistake.

HTH,
Paul
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Old June 19th 18, 06:15 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Paul wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

I want to replace a 1 TB drive that's on it's last legs with a 2-TB drive.

I imaged the sick drive with Macrium Reflect, creating a single file.

Here's what the drive looked like in Disk Manager:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rEFsF2H9F7mNJXjRA

When I just restore the image to the 2 TB file, I get a system that works,
but the additional space is unavailable for expansion of the "Data" partition
because "HP_RECOVERY" sits in the middle - between existing "Data" and the
new unused space.


Original setup:

P1 P2 P4 P3
+-----+-----------------+-------------+---------------+---------------+
| MBR | System Reserved | OS C: | DATA | HP Recovery |
+-----+-----------------+-------------+---------------+---------------+

You will need to use the Macrium Restore function *3* times.

1) Restore the first two partitions.

P1 P2
+-----+-----------------+-------------+
| MBR | System Reserved | OS C: |
+-----+-----------------+-------------+

2) Restore the HP Recovery partition, by dragging and dropping it onto
the end of the new drive.

P1 P2 P3
+-----+-----------------+-------------+---------------+
| MBR | System Reserved | OS C: | HP Recovery |
+-----+-----------------+-------------+---------------+

3) Restore the DATA partition. Drag and drop DATA onto the end of the
target drive. Hit the NEXT button. Hit the BACK button. Right-click
the DATA partition to get the "resize/align" menu. Resize the partition
to fill the disk.

P1 P2 P3 P4
+-----+-----------------+-------------+---------------+--------------------+
| MBR | System Reserved | OS C: | HP Recovery | DATA |
+-----+-----------------+-------------+---------------+--------------------+

No other tools needed.

You can use "diskpart" to select disk 0, list partitions,
and see which partition is in which partition slot. I think
the third partition in your source drive, is in the fourth slot
of the partition table. And I'm hoping that no harm will be done
when putting the partitions back. You see, not only are you
cloning the disk, you're also putting the partitions back
in "partition table order". Any software using partition
numbers should remain happy, as a result of the original mistake.

HTH,
Paul


Not sure why he has to do any restores. Just use one of the partition
managers to move and resize the partitions.

The recovery partition is in the middle of the new 2 TB drive (which
would've been the end of the old 1 TB drive). After the recovery
partition on the new 2 TB drive is unallocated space.

.-.------------------.----------.--------------------.
|*| C: (Windows) | recovery | unallocated |
'-'------------------'----------'--------------------'
^
|__ MBR/UEFI

Use a partition manager to:

- Drag the recovery partition to the end of the unallocated space on the
new 2 TB drive. Now there will be unallocated space between the first
partition (Windows) and the recovery partition moved to the end.

.--- move to end ---
.-.------------------.----'-----.--------------------.
|*| C: (Windows) | recovery | unallocated |
'-'------------------'----------'--------------------'
becomes
.-.------------------.--------------------.----------.
|*| C: (Windows) | unallocated | recovery |
'-'------------------'--------------------'----------'

- Then resize the 1st partition so it consumes the unallocated space.

.-.------------------.--------------------.----------.
|*| C: (Windows) X-- enlarge C: -- | recovery |
'-'------------------'--------------------'----------'
becomes
.-.---------------------------------------.----------.
|*| C: (Windows) | recovery |
'-'---------------------------------------'----------'

Just do a partition move (recovery) and then enlarge a partition (C.
Moving and resizing of partitions is usually faster than doing restores.

I was surprised that Macrium Reflect did not include a partitioning
manager. However, there are LOTS of choices and for free.
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Old June 19th 18, 06:30 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , VanguardLH
writes:
[]
I was surprised that Macrium Reflect did not include a partitioning
manager. However, there are LOTS of choices and for free.


It does allow a _resize_ during restore (up or down, IIRR), though I
prefer to do that afterwards with a PM. (I use the EaseUS one, since it
works for me.)
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Old June 19th 18, 07:47 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

VanguardLH did not "writes" but wrote:

I was surprised that Macrium Reflect did not include a partitioning
manager. However, there are LOTS of choices and for free.


It does allow a _resize_ during restore (up or down, IIRR), though I
prefer to do that afterwards with a PM. (I use the EaseUS one, since it
works for me.)


I mentioned that in my first reply. I remember deciding where to
restore, enlarging the partition, and probably other partitioning tasks.
However, Reflect does not have a partition manager built into it to
allow using it to do all partitioning tasks. If you change the drives
often (add, delete, change partitioning, step on the MBR/UEFI bootstrap
code with a standard one, and other more advanced tasks), you really
need to use a partition manager. Most require you to install. Minitool
lets you run it from a bootable device as does GParted.
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Old June 19th 18, 12:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"(PeteCresswell)" wrote

| When I just restore the image to the 2 TB file, I get a system that works,
| but the additional space is unavailable for expansion of the "Data"
partition
| because "HP_RECOVERY" sits in the middle - between existing "Data" and the
| new unused space.
|
If it were me I'd clean out all the muck. Assuming Paul's
diagram is correct (I can't see your picture without
alowing Google to run script)....

Do a restore and clean that up. Install your software.
Get rid of System Reserved by putting the boot files on C.
Make a disk image of that, so you have a fresh copy. Then
get rid of the HP partition. So you just have C and data
partitions. It's more work now but easier and more efficient
for the future.

I don't know why you think the HP partition is critical.
I always delete those. It's only useful if you don't have
backed up disk images of C.


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Old June 19th 18, 02:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mayayana wrote:
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote

| When I just restore the image to the 2 TB file, I get a system that works,
| but the additional space is unavailable for expansion of the "Data"
partition
| because "HP_RECOVERY" sits in the middle - between existing "Data" and the
| new unused space.
|
If it were me I'd clean out all the muck. Assuming Paul's
diagram is correct (I can't see your picture without
alowing Google to run script)....

Do a restore and clean that up. Install your software.
Get rid of System Reserved by putting the boot files on C.
Make a disk image of that, so you have a fresh copy. Then
get rid of the HP partition. So you just have C and data
partitions. It's more work now but easier and more efficient
for the future.

I don't know why you think the HP partition is critical.
I always delete those. It's only useful if you don't have
backed up disk images of C.



It's the only way to get back to "ex factory" state.
OK, so not many people want that (including myself), but some do; to
give to a friend, pass on to a charity, fill their system with loads of
junk and then want a way back.

Ed

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Old June 19th 18, 03:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Per Mayayana:
I don't know why you think the HP partition is critical.
I always delete those. It's only useful if you don't have
backed up disk images of C.


That was my knee-jerk reaction: just delete it.

But when I do that, the system boots up throwing a dialog that reads
something like "Desktop.ini not found" and there's basically an empty desktop
- so I jumped to the assumption that the HP partition contained some files
used day-to-day.

Vanguard, Paul, John, and you have given me hope.

I had thrown in the towel and just re-imaged to an old 1TB backup drive - but
now I think I will re-visit the scene with the 2TB drive.

First thing I will try is looking for Macrium's Resize-Partition option.

If that doesn't happen, I'll move on to Paul's approach and, if that does not
work out, will start looking for a partition manager that will do the job.

Seems pretty obvious that something else is going on that I am unaware of
vis-a-vis my incorrect assumption that the HP_RECOVERY partition was playing
an essential role.

The situation acts like there is a file (boot block?) somewhere that points
to Partition 0, Partition 1, Partition 2, and so-forth - and, when partitions
are moved around without changing that file, Bad Things happen.
--
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Old June 19th 18, 04:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 10:54:04 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per Mayayana:
I don't know why you think the HP partition is critical.
I always delete those. It's only useful if you don't have
backed up disk images of C.


That was my knee-jerk reaction: just delete it.

But when I do that, the system boots up throwing a dialog that reads
something like "Desktop.ini not found" and there's basically an empty desktop
- so I jumped to the assumption that the HP partition contained some files
used day-to-day.

Vanguard, Paul, John, and you have given me hope.

I had thrown in the towel and just re-imaged to an old 1TB backup drive - but
now I think I will re-visit the scene with the 2TB drive.

First thing I will try is looking for Macrium's Resize-Partition option.

If that doesn't happen, I'll move on to Paul's approach and, if that does not
work out, will start looking for a partition manager that will do the job.


I would recommend using VanguardLH's approach first. Grab a partition
manager and be amazed at how easy it is to do what you're trying to do.
My choice is the Minitool Partition Wizard, which he linked, but the
others should work as well.

No need to do another Macrium restore, and (sorry Paul!) no need to do
multiple restores. A partition manager will have you sorted within a few
minutes.

--

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Old June 19th 18, 04:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"(PeteCresswell)" wrote

| That was my knee-jerk reaction: just delete it.
|
| But when I do that, the system boots up throwing a dialog that reads
| something like "Desktop.ini not found" and there's basically an empty
desktop
| - so I jumped to the assumption that the HP partition contained some files
| used day-to-day.
|
I've never seen that. But I've also never done it
without first fixing the boot. Put the boot files
on C so you can rid of the system partition. Then
alo make sure the boot config is OK. (BCDEdit from
terabyte unlimited can do that. It's part of BootIt.
Probably Macrium also has a tool.

So then you just have a normal, bootable C rive
and you can dump everything else.


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Old June 19th 18, 04:47 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:04:10 -0400, Paul wrote:

I had an answer all written up, but had to start over again.

Thought of an easier way.


You will need to use the Macrium Restore function *3* times.


LOL

No, a partition manager sorts it right out. A second restore is
completely unnecessary, let alone a third. If this was your "easier
way", I wonder what the first approach could have been. ;-)

I commend your thoroughness, but sometimes the solution is right in
plain sight.

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Old June 19th 18, 04:48 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Ed Cryer" wrote

|
| It's the only way to get back to "ex factory" state.

I understand that. But that can also be done by
making a disk image. I would then clean it up and
install software, before imaging, but if people like
an HP logo on their desktop then that's fine, too.

A disk image is also safer and simpler. If you
leave the restore partition and the separate system
boot partition then if the hard disk dies you've
lost everything. And if you want to put in a
new hard disk you're stuck with Pete's problem:
A convoluted system of unnecessary, interdependent
partitions that have to all be copied as-is.

With disk images there's no risk if the disk dies
and there can be as much backup of the images
as desired.


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Old June 19th 18, 05:07 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Ed Cryer wrote:
Mayayana wrote:
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote

| When I just restore the image to the 2 TB file, I get a system that works,
| but the additional space is unavailable for expansion of the "Data"
partition
| because "HP_RECOVERY" sits in the middle - between existing "Data" and the
| new unused space.
|
If it were me I'd clean out all the muck. Assuming Paul's
diagram is correct (I can't see your picture without
alowing Google to run script)....

Do a restore and clean that up. Install your software.
Get rid of System Reserved by putting the boot files on C.
Make a disk image of that, so you have a fresh copy. Then
get rid of the HP partition. So you just have C and data
partitions. It's more work now but easier and more efficient
for the future.

I don't know why you think the HP partition is critical.
I always delete those. It's only useful if you don't have
backed up disk images of C.


It's the only way to get back to "ex factory" state.
OK, so not many people want that (including myself), but some do; to
give to a friend, pass on to a charity, fill their system with loads of
junk and then want a way back.


For this purpose I've made a (Macrium Reflect FREE) full image backup
of all partitions, *except* C: (etc.). Such a backup is rather small -
in my case 17.4GB (just a bit bigger than just the 'RECOVERY' [1]
partition (17.26GB)) - so keeping it 'forever' in case it's needed, is
mostly a non-issue.

[1] Also an HP system (HP Pavilion 15-p142nd laptop) with Windows 8.1,
but the partition is named 'RECOVERY', instead of 'HP_RECOVERY'.
Probably a (HP) 8.1 versus 7 difference.
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Old June 19th 18, 05:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mayayana wrote:
"Ed Cryer" wrote

|
| It's the only way to get back to "ex factory" state.

I understand that. But that can also be done by
making a disk image. I would then clean it up and
install software, before imaging, but if people like
an HP logo on their desktop then that's fine, too.

A disk image is also safer and simpler. If you
leave the restore partition and the separate system
boot partition then if the hard disk dies you've
lost everything. And if you want to put in a
new hard disk you're stuck with Pete's problem:
A convoluted system of unnecessary, interdependent
partitions that have to all be copied as-is.

With disk images there's no risk if the disk dies
and there can be as much backup of the images
as desired.



I've just commissioned a new box of Win10 tricks. And I followed my
usual course.
Find fault with this for me - and give me nightmares.
1. Run it up, set up account, drive it for a while to see how it feels
and handles. Look for any errors and warnings under Event manager;
especially in the Windows System Log.
2. Remove all the crapware. I do this manually, one by one.
3. Take two backups: a) Win Sys Image, b) Macrium C image.
4. Load browser, email prog, plus tons of regulars like Foxit,
Irfanview, Sequoiaview, MS Office .....
5. Repeat 3 above, which will be repeated from now on very regularly.

Notice that I retain the OEM Recovery partition. They never exceed about
17GB. I'm not quite sure (frontal-lobe-consciously, that is) just why.
But I suspect my subconscious does; it's another safety layer to fall
back on, and it gets added to every Macrium image I take thereafter.
BTW, in case you're going to say that that's adding time to the Macrium
backups, let me tell you that the latest one took 23 mins for over 100GB.

Ed
 




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