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Anyone know why there are so many Windows 7 updates coming through?
I've had updates everyday for about the last week. |
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Art Todesco wrote:
Anyone know why there are so many Windows 7 updates coming through? I've had updates everyday for about the last week. Are they mostly MSE definition updates? Ed |
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Art Todesco wrote:
Anyone know why there are so many Windows 7 updates coming through? I've had updates everyday for about the last week. Looping ? Did you check your Windows Update history for "failed" items ? Paul |
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On 7/15/2018 2:41 PM, Paul wrote:
Art Todesco wrote: Anyone know why there are so many Windows 7 updates coming through? I've had updates everyday for about the last week. Looping ? Did you check your Windows Update history for "failed" items ? Â*Â* Paul All were successful and about half were MSE updates. Also they started on July 1 and there are updates for each day; and several on some days. |
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Art Todesco wrote:
On 7/15/2018 2:41 PM, Paul wrote: Art Todesco wrote: Anyone know why there are so many Windows 7 updates coming through? I've had updates everyday for about the last week. Looping ? Did you check your Windows Update history for "failed" items ? Â*Â*Â* Paul All were successful and about half were MSE updates.Â* Also they started on July 1 and there are updates for each day; and several on some days. Same here with the MSE updates. It started about the time you mention. They used to update automatically. I have "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them"; and it's been like that for years. So this change in behaviour must have been occasioned by some MS amendment. As you say, they now function just like Windows updates; and we get the message saying updates available, leaving it up to us to download. Ed |
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On 7/15/2018 4:29 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Art Todesco wrote: On 7/15/2018 2:41 PM, Paul wrote: Art Todesco wrote: Anyone know why there are so many Windows 7 updates coming through? I've had updates everyday for about the last week. Looping ? Did you check your Windows Update history for "failed" items ? Â*Â*Â* Paul All were successful and about half were MSE updates.Â* Also they started on July 1 and there are updates for each day; and several on some days. Same here with the MSE updates. It started about the time you mention. They used to update automatically. I have "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them"; and it's been like that for years. So this change in behaviour must have been occasioned by some MS amendment. As you say, they now function just like Windows updates; and we get the message saying updates available, leaving it up to us to download. Ed Yup, just got another one this AM. It was optional "Silverlight" and not optional MSE update. |
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Art Todesco wrote:
On 7/15/2018 4:29 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: Art Todesco wrote: On 7/15/2018 2:41 PM, Paul wrote: Art Todesco wrote: Anyone know why there are so many Windows 7 updates coming through? I've had updates everyday for about the last week. Looping ? Did you check your Windows Update history for "failed" items ? Â*Â*Â* Paul All were successful and about half were MSE updates.Â* Also they started on July 1 and there are updates for each day; and several on some days. Same here with the MSE updates. It started about the time you mention. They used to update automatically. I have "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them"; and it's been like that for years. So this change in behaviour must have been occasioned by some MS amendment. As you say, they now function just like Windows updates; and we get the message saying updates available, leaving it up to us to download. Ed Yup, just got another one this AM.Â* It was optional "Silverlight" and not optional MSE update. My MSE updates now come as "Recommended". They used to be "Optional" until 06.07. I've had no Silverlight update for weeks. Two new MSE ones today; both flagged for me to download at my leisure. The only way I can think of getting back to auto-updating the MSE things is to change settings to "download and install" for all updates. And I ain't a gonna do that, no way. So I'm stuck with what MS have dumped on me. Ed |
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Ed Cryer wrote:
Art Todesco wrote: On 7/15/2018 4:29 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: Art Todesco wrote: On 7/15/2018 2:41 PM, Paul wrote: Art Todesco wrote: Anyone know why there are so many Windows 7 updates coming through? I've had updates everyday for about the last week. Looping ? Did you check your Windows Update history for "failed" items ? Â*Â*Â* Paul All were successful and about half were MSE updates.Â* Also they started on July 1 and there are updates for each day; and several on some days. Same here with the MSE updates. It started about the time you mention. They used to update automatically. I have "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them"; and it's been like that for years. So this change in behaviour must have been occasioned by some MS amendment. As you say, they now function just like Windows updates; and we get the message saying updates available, leaving it up to us to download. Ed Yup, just got another one this AM.Â* It was optional "Silverlight" and not optional MSE update. My MSE updates now come as "Recommended". They used to be "Optional" until 06.07. I've had no Silverlight update for weeks. Two new MSE ones today; both flagged for me to download at my leisure. The only way I can think of getting back to auto-updating the MSE things is to change settings to "download and install" for all updates. And I ain't a gonna do that, no way. So I'm stuck with what MS have dumped on me. Ed Now you can see why MS have done this. Or, at least I can. It's straddled us with a choice. Do you want MSE definition updates to be downloaded and installed automatically; or do you want them to hang around up there until you take action and do it yourself? Cunning! But very translucent when you hold up to your eyes their policy of forcing updates down and in, willy-nilly of individual choice. Well, stay with me. Keep your update settings under personal control, and just download the virus-definitions as they get advertised. Ed |
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Ed Cryer wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote: Art Todesco wrote: On 7/15/2018 4:29 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: Art Todesco wrote: On 7/15/2018 2:41 PM, Paul wrote: Art Todesco wrote: Anyone know why there are so many Windows 7 updates coming through? I've had updates everyday for about the last week. Looping ? Did you check your Windows Update history for "failed" items ? Paul All were successful and about half were MSE updates. Also they started on July 1 and there are updates for each day; and several on some days. Same here with the MSE updates. It started about the time you mention. They used to update automatically. I have "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them"; and it's been like that for years. So this change in behaviour must have been occasioned by some MS amendment. As you say, they now function just like Windows updates; and we get the message saying updates available, leaving it up to us to download. Ed Yup, just got another one this AM. It was optional "Silverlight" and not optional MSE update. My MSE updates now come as "Recommended". They used to be "Optional" until 06.07. I've had no Silverlight update for weeks. Two new MSE ones today; both flagged for me to download at my leisure. The only way I can think of getting back to auto-updating the MSE things is to change settings to "download and install" for all updates. And I ain't a gonna do that, no way. So I'm stuck with what MS have dumped on me. Ed Now you can see why MS have done this. Or, at least I can. It's straddled us with a choice. Do you want MSE definition updates to be downloaded and installed automatically; or do you want them to hang around up there until you take action and do it yourself? Cunning! But very translucent when you hold up to your eyes their policy of forcing updates down and in, willy-nilly of individual choice. Well, stay with me. Keep your update settings under personal control, and just download the virus-definitions as they get advertised. Ed There are materials here for manual install. This would be if your Windows Update was completely broken. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/definitions As an experiment: https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/u...-command-line/ # Administrator Command Prompt # Use double quotes to handle spaces in the path names. "%ProgramFiles%\Microsoft Security Essentials\MpCmdRun.exe" /? "%ProgramFiles%\Microsoft Security Essentials\MpCmdRun.exe" -SignatureUpdate If that works, you could do a Scheduled Tasks (schtask???) via the GUI and have your signatureUpdate done that way. *If* that's what is really broken. You're going to have to confirm that the MSE item in Windows Update, disappears after a SignatureUpdate, to prove there isn't a *real* update coming in. I don't know if a signature update, can also change the runtime of MSE or not. An AV may need signatures or it may need runtime code patching. A good design has both in say, a .msi file, and is then transparent to the user. Sometimes, a reboot is needed to finish the install of the runtime update (because killing the running boss process, is frowned upon by the designers). Maybe you can dream up a solution, without resorting to "full auto" out of frustration. I never use "full auto" on anything, if I can possibly avoid it. The reason I'm familiar with the first link, is I have a VM (not licensed) with Win10 running in it. I used a certain technique to prevent Windows Update, and as a form of punishment, Windows Defender gets into a snit during an attempted Win10 session. "Feeding it a cookie" from the wdsi page, tips it upright again, and eventually there are enough CPU cycles to do something. But that's the price you pay for putting roadblocks in the way. That VM has successfully stayed at 16299 as a result. It's not the version that mattered. Rather, it was an attempt to see if the OS would try at some point, to "auto-repair" itself. It easily has the materials, such as dism and sfc, to effect a repair if it wanted to. It would only be "three lines of code" so to speak. Paul |
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Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: Art Todesco wrote: On 7/15/2018 4:29 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: Art Todesco wrote: On 7/15/2018 2:41 PM, Paul wrote: Art Todesco wrote: Anyone know why there are so many Windows 7 updates coming through? I've had updates everyday for about the last week. Looping ? Did you check your Windows Update history for "failed" items ? Â*Â*Â* Paul All were successful and about half were MSE updates.Â* Also they started on July 1 and there are updates for each day; and several on some days. Same here with the MSE updates. It started about the time you mention. They used to update automatically. I have "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them"; and it's been like that for years. So this change in behaviour must have been occasioned by some MS amendment. As you say, they now function just like Windows updates; and we get the message saying updates available, leaving it up to us to download. Ed Yup, just got another one this AM.Â* It was optional "Silverlight" and not optional MSE update. My MSE updates now come as "Recommended". They used to be "Optional" until 06.07. I've had no Silverlight update for weeks. Two new MSE ones today; both flagged for me to download at my leisure. The only way I can think of getting back to auto-updating the MSE things is to change settings to "download and install" for all updates. And I ain't a gonna do that, no way. So I'm stuck with what MS have dumped on me. Ed Now you can see why MS have done this. Or, at least I can. It's straddled us with a choice. Do you want MSE definition updates to be downloaded and installed automatically; or do you want them to hang around up there until you take action and do it yourself? Cunning! But very translucent when you hold up to your eyes their policy of forcing updates down and in, willy-nilly of individual choice. Well, stay with me. Keep your update settings under personal control, and just download the virus-definitions as they get advertised. Ed There are materials here for manual install. This would be if your Windows Update was completely broken. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/definitions As an experiment: https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/u...-command-line/ Â*Â* # Administrator Command Prompt Â*Â* # Use double quotes to handle spaces in the path names. Â*Â* "%ProgramFiles%\Microsoft Security Essentials\MpCmdRun.exe" /? Â*Â* "%ProgramFiles%\Microsoft Security Essentials\MpCmdRun.exe" -SignatureUpdate If that works, you could do a Scheduled Tasks (schtask???) via the GUI and have your signatureUpdate done that way. *If* that's what is really broken. You're going to have to confirm that the MSE item in Windows Update, disappears after a SignatureUpdate, to prove there isn't a *real* update coming in. I don't know if a signature update, can also change the runtime of MSE or not. An AV may need signatures or it may need runtime code patching. A good design has both in say, a .msi file, and is then transparent to the user. Sometimes, a reboot is needed to finish the install of the runtime update (because killing the running boss process, is frowned upon by the designers). Maybe you can dream up a solution, without resorting to "full auto" out of frustration. I never use "full auto" on anything, if I can possibly avoid it. The reason I'm familiar with the first link, is I have a VM (not licensed) with Win10 running in it. I used a certain technique to prevent Windows Update, and as a form of punishment, Windows Defender gets into a snit during an attempted Win10 session. "Feeding it a cookie" from the wdsi page, tips it upright again, and eventually there are enough CPU cycles to do something. But that's the price you pay for putting roadblocks in the way. That VM has successfully stayed at 16299 as a result. It's not the version that mattered. Rather, it was an attempt to see if the OS would try at some point, to "auto-repair" itself. It easily has the materials, such as dism and sfc, to effect a repair if it wanted to. It would only be "three lines of code" so to speak. Â*Â* Paul I've decided to simply continue manually updating as they get found. The service that checks daily and lets me know works well enough. In fact (people, please restrain your contempt) I might switch to auto-update; since for some time now I've been taking all Win7 updates. Ed |
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Ed Cryer wrote:
I've decided to simply continue manually updating as they get found. The service that checks daily and lets me know works well enough. In fact (people, please restrain your contempt) I might switch to auto-update; since for some time now I've been taking all Win7 updates. Ed I don't think it's necessarily taking all the updates that matters. It's the "circuit breaker" aspect that you want. If an update is bricking computers, being a day or two late to the party could pay off. It depends on what you think of the QA level of the updates, that determines whether full auto is merited. Paul |
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Boris wrote:
Art Todesco wrote in news On 7/15/2018 4:29 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: Art Todesco wrote: On 7/15/2018 2:41 PM, Paul wrote: Art Todesco wrote: Anyone know why there are so many Windows 7 updates coming through? I've had updates everyday for about the last week. Looping ? Did you check your Windows Update history for "failed" items ?    Paul All were successful and about half were MSE updates. Also they started on July 1 and there are updates for each day; and several on some days. Same here with the MSE updates. It started about the time you mention. They used to update automatically. I have "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them"; and it's been like that for years. So this change in behaviour must have been occasioned by some MS amendment. As you say, they now function just like Windows updates; and we get the message saying updates available, leaving it up to us to download. Ed Yup, just got another one this AM. It was optional "Silverlight" and not optional MSE update. Art, can you tell us what is the Virus definition version and the spyware definition version appear in your MSE program? I have both as 1.271.1136.0. If I press the update button, I get that they are up to date. But, if I go to Microsoft to download the 'current' version, I am presented with version 4.10.0209.0, not version 1.271.1136.0 (supposedly up to date?). Long ago, I turned off automatic updating and have been set at "Check for updates but let me decide whether to download and install them". Today, I've got 43 important updates sitting, waiting to be downloaded/installed. I have not downloaded or installed any in years (well, maybe a few Security and Office updates). I suppose that if I did install those 43 updates, that would trigger another heap of updates , etc, until I was up to date. About the MSE updates...I have at least one, sometimes two, per day, going back to 1/20/2015, showing up in "Review your update history". There is a small gap between 6/14/2016 and 8/28/2016 in which there are other updates, but no MSE updates. There are a few other updates which I intentionally installed throughout the years. But, I did not install any of the MSE updates. None. Your post got me to look closer at this MSE update situation, because for you, having so many MSE updates was unusual, but for me, it 'seems' to be normal. Also, from 1/20/2015, all MSE updates listed in "Review your update history" were 'Optional'. Then, beginning on 7/5/2018, they became 'Recommended'. Again, I did not download or install a single one. So how did they get there? I've been watching the Windows Update notification in the system tray more carefully since I read your post. It (has)always (said) says "New updates are available", but normally there's nothing in there that I want. Paying more attention shows me that at least once a day, there is a MSE update listed as 'Important', and ready for download. The latest was 1.271.1119.0. I expected this one to later appear as installed in the "Review your update history", and disappear from Windows Update. Sure enough, later in the day 1.271.1119.0 disappears from Windows Update, and a new MSE update does appear in the "Review your update history", but the new one it is not 1.271.1119.0. It is 1.271.1136.0 (installed at 2:33 PM). It seems that the version number that makes it to the installed list is never the version that shows up in Windows Update. Holy ****. As I am writing this, I went back to "Review your update history", and there's a new MSE update, 1.271.1140.0 just installed at 7:18 PM. There are still 43 'Important' updates in Windows Update. Don't know if 1.271.1140.0 flowed through Windows Update while I wasn't watching, or not. Anyway, what is the Virus definition version and the spyware definition version appear in your MSE program? I may try to get the most current version, since now I'm not sure about this version, even though it reports up to date. I do have a tested clone and backup image should things go south. Why not backup, fire in every Windows Update under the sun, note the version numbers after the reboot, then roll back the system by restoring from backup kater ? This is why you should keep your contents of C: small, and transfer your movie collection from Downloads to a D: drive. To separate the items when doing backups for this kind of Windows maintenance. A typical C: backup here takes ten minutes. Paul |
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Boris wrote:
Art Todesco wrote in news On 7/15/2018 4:29 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: Art Todesco wrote: On 7/15/2018 2:41 PM, Paul wrote: Art Todesco wrote: Anyone know why there are so many Windows 7 updates coming through? I've had updates everyday for about the last week. Looping ? Did you check your Windows Update history for "failed" items ? Â*Â*Â* Paul All were successful and about half were MSE updates.Â* Also they started on July 1 and there are updates for each day; and several on some days. Same here with the MSE updates. It started about the time you mention. They used to update automatically. I have "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them"; and it's been like that for years. So this change in behaviour must have been occasioned by some MS amendment. As you say, they now function just like Windows updates; and we get the message saying updates available, leaving it up to us to download. Ed Yup, just got another one this AM. It was optional "Silverlight" and not optional MSE update. Art, can you tell us what is the Virus definition version and the spyware definition version appear in your MSE program? I have both as 1.271.1136.0. If I press the update button, I get that they are up to date. But, if I go to Microsoft to download the 'current' version, I am presented with version 4.10.0209.0, not version 1.271.1136.0 (supposedly up to date?). Long ago, I turned off automatic updating and have been set at "Check for updates but let me decide whether to download and install them". Today, I've got 43 important updates sitting, waiting to be downloaded/installed. I have not downloaded or installed any in years (well, maybe a few Security and Office updates). I suppose that if I did install those 43 updates, that would trigger another heap of updates , etc, until I was up to date. About the MSE updates...I have at least one, sometimes two, per day, going back to 1/20/2015, showing up in "Review your update history". There is a small gap between 6/14/2016 and 8/28/2016 in which there are other updates, but no MSE updates. There are a few other updates which I intentionally installed throughout the years. But, I did not install any of the MSE updates. None. Your post got me to look closer at this MSE update situation, because for you, having so many MSE updates was unusual, but for me, it 'seems' to be normal. Also, from 1/20/2015, all MSE updates listed in "Review your update history" were 'Optional'. Then, beginning on 7/5/2018, they became 'Recommended'. Again, I did not download or install a single one. So how did they get there? I've been watching the Windows Update notification in the system tray more carefully since I read your post. It (has)always (said) says "New updates are available", but normally there's nothing in there that I want. Paying more attention shows me that at least once a day, there is a MSE update listed as 'Important', and ready for download. The latest was 1.271.1119.0. I expected this one to later appear as installed in the "Review your update history", and disappear from Windows Update. Sure enough, later in the day 1.271.1119.0 disappears from Windows Update, and a new MSE update does appear in the "Review your update history", but the new one it is not 1.271.1119.0. It is 1.271.1136.0 (installed at 2:33 PM). It seems that the version number that makes it to the installed list is never the version that shows up in Windows Update. Holy ****. As I am writing this, I went back to "Review your update history", and there's a new MSE update, 1.271.1140.0 just installed at 7:18 PM. There are still 43 'Important' updates in Windows Update. Don't know if 1.271.1140.0 flowed through Windows Update while I wasn't watching, or not. Anyway, what is the Virus definition version and the spyware definition version appear in your MSE program? I may try to get the most current version, since now I'm not sure about this version, even though it reports up to date. I do have a tested clone and backup image should things go south. I have 1.271.1173.0 for both, updated 7 mins ago. Ed |
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writes: [] Why not backup, fire in every Windows Update under the sun, note the version numbers after the reboot, then roll back the system by restoring from backup kater ? I take it you mean "when it fails" (-:. [Otherwise, why would you be rolling it back.] The trouble is, some things that are broken by updates don't _show_ themselves for some time - by when you may have added lots more updates, and it's very hard work (lots of restoring of images, trying, trying this or that update, trying, ...) finding the culprit. Especially if it's an interaction between two or more that's the cause. This is why you should keep your contents of C: small, and transfer your movie collection from Downloads to a D: drive. To separate the items when doing backups for this kind of Windows maintenance. Thoroughly agree (or D: partition in this case - I'd like to be otherwise, but only one drive bay in this as in most laptops). A typical C: backup here takes ten minutes. Paul Bit more here as I only have USB2, but principle agreed. (My C: is 29.5GB used ATM.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Hadrian's Wall has never been a border between Scotland and England. It lies entirely within England but, when it was built in AD 122 by the Romans as a defence against the raiding Picts, the future English were still in Germany and the Scottish were still in Ireland. - Michael Cullen, Skye, in RT 2014/12/6-12 |
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Boris wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote in newsinbuk$imh$1@dont- email.me: Boris wrote: I have 1.271.1173.0 for both, updated 7 mins ago. Ed Got up this morning, and I still have 1.271.1140.0 running the show, but 1.271.1166.0 waiting in the wings. Blimey! I just did a Windows Update check and got 1.271.1182.0. This all points to an inescapable conclusion. MS are releasing every new added virus definition as an update! And an "important" update! And it depends entirely on your local check-for-updates setting as to how frequently you get them. I think my update-checker calls in once a day. If I ever get any indication that it's doing it more often, I'll do a system restore immediately, and then find the offending KB and hide it. Ed |
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