Office

FYI

Docs originally created in MS Office 2003.
Each doc has multiple columns and graphic intermingled.
Multiple .docs (chapters) make up the "book".
This was an ultimate challenge at the time and it took several calls to
MS to figure out how to do this back then since Office 2003 had a few
quirks that needed MS inspired workarounds.

A cross ref app did auto index and TOC creation.

..Doc read into Adobe Acrobat.
Is complete and looks perfect as .PDF.
Prints perfectly too.

Now I want to spell check and do minor edits without have to go through
all the multitude of steps to recreate.

Can do in Adobe Acrobat.
Convert with Adobe Acrobat OCR to editable.

or

Export from Adobe Acrobat to one .DOC.
Hopefully use Libre Office to edit.

But upon trying Open Office it garbaged up the document so Open Office
cannot handle.

Will try Libre Office next.

Then go back to Adobe edit.
Then go back to original .DOCS and edit and combine into .PDF.

Also. I do have later than Office2003 versions of MS Office but afraid
they will garbage up the .DOC files. I have experienced this.

You may not know that the last period in the document is where you can
clean up a .DOC. Go there and delete it and type a period again.

MS explained that this is where you get access to ALL the edits you have
performed (saved cuts and deletes etc) and a bunch of garbage too.
Office 2003. Not sure about later versions.
After deleting the period, the file size may shrink considerably.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 21:09:38 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Fremantle wrote:

Libre or Open Office.

You want LibreOffice (a supported fork of OpenOffice). OpenOffice, was
discontinued by Corel back in 2011 and dumped, er, donated to the Apache
Foundation (and why OpenOffice became Apache OpenOffice) to keep
available an archived copy of that old software.

according to
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/announcing-apache-openoffice-4-11
the most recent version is 4.1.5 issued in 30 December 2017. I believe
there've been some 'fixes' since then. there is also an active mailing list.

fjd

Fremantle wrote:
Also. I do have later than Office2003 versions of MS Office but afraid
they will garbage up the .DOC files. I have experienced this.

You may not know that the last period in the document is where you can
clean up a .DOC. Go there and delete it and type a period again.

MS explained that this is where you get access to ALL the edits you have
performed (saved cuts and deletes etc) and a bunch of garbage too.
Office 2003. Not sure about later versions.
After deleting the period, the file size may shrink considerably.


But the original docs have all of the intelligence in them.

Apparently PDFs open in LO Draw if you attack one directly.

LO Writer, by the usage of an extension, can import a
*Hybrid* PDF. But a Hybrid PDF is just a cheat - it's
a PDF that contains the original ODF content as well
as the PDF content. And all the extension does is suck
out the ODF from the file and give that to Writer.
In your case, if you already had the ODF on a computer,
this would be pointless. You'd just use the ODF copy
you already had. So that's not going to work.

Modern Microsoft Office can open PDF and convert to .docx.
You could go from there back to LO Writer if you want. If
the dimensions of headers are wrong, you edit the Styles
used by the Importer to correct it.

https://business.tutsplus.com/tutori...ord--cms-20478

According to that article, some version of Acrobat does
the best job of this kind of importation.

But really, when you think about it, the same things have
to happen in each case. The PDF has to be converted back
into header styles, title bars, all the usual decorations.
It must be done that way to please power users. It wouldn't
be good enough to just randomly import text strings,
and force you to edit the header of each and every page
to fix a branding issue.

Importing the original documents keeps the original
style definitions. The bearing on the screen can still
be wrong, but the tool flow isn't creating any more
"quirks" than is absolutely necessary.

There is the free online version of Office, but some
of the more important functions (that are in the
2016 desktop version of Office), will be missing.

I can't tell you what the price of all these options is,
or whether they're still for sale or not.

*******

I've played the game of "import the .doc into the
new version of Word" over the years, and it gets
a bit boring after a while. It always causes problems.
There's hair loss. A few quarters go into the swear jar.
The above sorkflow doesn't really sound like that much
has changed, no matter how you do it.

Maybe you should be happy with doing it in LO Draw.
As long as the edits are trivial ones.

Paul

On 7/29/2018 12:16 PM, Mayayana wrote:

You must use it a lot more than I do. I mostly
just do occasional things like writing up estimates
and receipts. Even those are often done with pen
and paper. I detest all office products I've tried
simply because it's so hard to make them behave.
A simple job like laying out 10 business cards for
printing becomes an all-day affair. But I haven't
found LO any worse than other programs. I've never
seen it crash, though it takes a ridiculously long
time to get to its feet in the first place.

For business cards, set page size to 2"x3.5"and set appropriate margins.
Most printers will let you print eight-up or use/create a template.
Apologies if this was obvious to you.

In message , Paul
writes:
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Fonts can use "subset". Check the PDF information
page, to see if full fonts are embedded, versus
subset. Subset is used a lot for "legal reasons"
to prevent "font theft". A decent PDF editor may
refuse to edit text on a page. Why ? A subset
font prevents changing any letters.
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Presumably, in theory at least, it ought to be possible to change it as
long as you use no letters that aren't in the subset - though I wouldn't
be surprised if most things don't allow any changes at all.
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In message , Paul
writes:
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To give an example by analogy from the FOSS
world, take Firefox and the Firefox choice
of print engine. I don't know what the first print
engine was called exactly, but one day the Firefox team
decided to switch to Cairo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_3.0

"Because of Cairo's lack of support for Windows 95,
Windows 98, Windows ME, and Windows NT (versions 4.0
and below), and because Microsoft ended support for
Windows 98 and Windows ME on July 11, 2006, Firefox 3
does not run on those operating systems."

Oh, _that's_ why it stops at v2, is it - just the print engine.

It was worse than that. At the time, Cairo wasn't
even finished. Some output tasks in Firefox were
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ALAICR, Firefox (and IIRR Netscape before it) has lagged on printing
ability: some webpages break its print engine royally - whereas they
print OK in other browsers. (I think there may be some the other way
round, but I think there are more that break Firefox.) Still no better -
there's a printing problems thread in the Firefox newsgroup now.
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Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of
them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for
science intact. - Carl Sagan (interview w. Psychology Today published '96-1-1)

"NotMe" wrote

| For business cards, set page size to 2"x3.5"and set appropriate margins.
| Most printers will let you print eight-up or use/create a template.
| Apologies if this was obvious to you.

It's more in the details. I don't remember a good example now,
but it's things like laying out the logo and text, then trying to copy
and paste that to the next cell of the business card template,
and as I paste the formatting goes wacky. Or it doesn't paste.
Or suddenly the cells change size. It seems I always have to
figure out a lot of things for the simplest job. That's partly
because I'm not used to using office programs. But it also
seems that it just shouldn't be that hard.

Thanks, though, anyway. If only you were here next time
I try to redesign my business cards.

On 7/29/2018 7:12 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"NotMe" wrote

| For business cards, set page size to 2"x3.5"and set appropriate margins.
| Most printers will let you print eight-up or use/create a template.
| Apologies if this was obvious to you.

It's more in the details. I don't remember a good example now,
but it's things like laying out the logo and text, then trying to copy
and paste that to the next cell of the business card template,
and as I paste the formatting goes wacky. Or it doesn't paste.
Or suddenly the cells change size. It seems I always have to
figure out a lot of things for the simplest job. That's partly
because I'm not used to using office programs. But it also
seems that it just shouldn't be that hard.

Thanks, though, anyway. If only you were here next time
I try to redesign my business cards.


I don't know how it happened but sorry for top posting.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
[]
Fonts can use "subset". Check the PDF information
page, to see if full fonts are embedded, versus
subset. Subset is used a lot for "legal reasons"
to prevent "font theft". A decent PDF editor may
refuse to edit text on a page. Why ? A subset
font prevents changing any letters.
[]
Presumably, in theory at least, it ought to be possible to change it as
long as you use no letters that aren't in the subset - though I wouldn't
be surprised if most things don't allow any changes at all.

Well, I've run into this, and it doesn't offer you the
opportunity even, to enter letters from the existing character set.
It just knows it's a subset and if there is any risk at
all of typing a non-existent character, it doesn't
take that risk. Or offer to fix it (like if the font
was a subset of Times-Roman and Times-Roman was available
on the platform).

Paul

On 07/29/2018 08:12 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"NotMe" wrote

| For business cards, set page size to 2"x3.5"and set appropriate margins.
| Most printers will let you print eight-up or use/create a template.
| Apologies if this was obvious to you.

It's more in the details. I don't remember a good example now,
but it's things like laying out the logo and text, then trying to copy
and paste that to the next cell of the business card template,
and as I paste the formatting goes wacky. Or it doesn't paste.
Or suddenly the cells change size. It seems I always have to
figure out a lot of things for the simplest job. That's partly
because I'm not used to using office programs. But it also
seems that it just shouldn't be that hard.

Thanks, though, anyway. If only you were here next time
I try to redesign my business cards.


I haven't used Office for quite a while and only own 2003. I used to
write an accounting database application that could make address labels
or letters etc. It would build a pipe delimited text file and launch a
macro to merge the output names with a template. I'd have to build the
address label template once. But I remember there being a wizard or
such that would let you design one of the items and then it would
populate the multiples on the page itself.

I also remember if you're doing it yourself, every page assumes a "next
record" between pages, but does not assume 'next record' between labels
on the same page. Each label (other than the first) needs to have a
next record to advance to the next name in the text file (mail merge
source in my case). Other wise you get a page of labels for the first
record then a page of labels for the 2nd record etc. And that might be
a nice side effect but not usually what you want.

Last mail merge I did within the past year didn't seem to work that way.
That or maybe my memory really is going.
Al.

On 29/07/2018 17:17:10, Paul wrote:
Big Al wrote:
On 07/28/2018 09:23 PM, Fremantle wrote:
Libre or Open Office.

And why ?

Thank you !

I have a large PDF that I saved to a .DOC file so I can edit it.
The PDF contains many images and tables so I am hoping to maintain all of
that so as to minimize rewrite.

I will be changing paragraph text only.

After trying both of them, I found the Libre did a better job of rendering
most documents, pdf & doc. I was using Windows at the time and didn't want
what seemed like a bloated Word (MS Office) products. I also tried a 3rd
product, don't think it was WPS Office, but it was horrible. Now that
I'm on Linux, it's built into the system and updates cleanly so I'm happy
and working fine.

I just found out too that I could edit PDF's. My MRI/X-RAY lab allows me
to download the reports as PDF's but they usually are 1 page with a 2nd
almost blank page. I like to delete that last page. And editing printed
recipes taking out the ads is a great use too.

Here is an interesting chart showing Libre and MS Office.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/...crosoft_Office

LO is more likely to work right on the Linux side.
I think they're more comfortable making that version.

Paul

It is a good comparison though for those who are thinking of moving to
linux but are perhaps afraid to let go their MS Office suite.

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mick

On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 07:35:38 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote in

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 18:23:54 -0700, Fremantle
wrote:

Libre or Open Office.

And why ?

Thank you !


Try this

FreeOffice 2018
for Windows and Linux

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After using it, you will agree that it is the best free alternative to
Microsoft Office.

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What's the catch? There is none. Simply download it for free and use
it for as long as you want. Millions of people are using it every day
and enjoy this great free Office suite.

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newer, any PC-based Linux (32 or 64 bits)
http://www.freeoffice.com/en/


It's the free version of their commercial product.
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-07-29 20:12, Mayayana wrote:
"NotMe" wrote

| For business cards, set page size to 2"x3.5"and set appropriate
margins.
| Most printers will let you print eight-up or use/create a template.
| Apologies if this was obvious to you.

Comment: I find Word and its work-alikes (Open/Libre Office) a PITA for
this kind of thing. In WordPerfect you use the Format/Labels submenu,
select the appropriate product, and away you go. That's one of many
reasons I use WordPerfect, even for editing MS Word documents.

I have Libre Office, but haven't used in months. Not even to read Word
documents.... :-)

[snip tale of typical Office woe]

My experience is:

1) Output to PDF.
2) Chances are the PDF prints the way it looks.

That means, select a tool, try to prepare a simple
item, output to PDF. Does the item look "proper"
in a PDF reader ? If so, it might print correctly on
the first try. Make sure the dimensions of the
document, match the paper used in the printer
on output. It's either that, or use bigger media
and snip off the excess.

But at least when going PDF to printer, there
will be fewer cases of images going off the page
and being lost in the print. If you print directly
to a printer, there are more opportunities for
"little scaling surprises".

Paul

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:03:05 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

On 29/07/2018 18:49, Fremantle wrote:
Also. I do have later than Office2003 versions of MS Office


Then use it and stop asking stupid questions here.


but afraid they will garbage up the .DOC files.

Have you heard of something called "back-up the document first before
opening it in Word" ?

What "good guy" is trying to say is "backup the documents,
then open a copy in LibreOffice. If they render OK never waste another
cent on M$ trash. If they don't, well you have two options. Either
adapt them to LibreOffice or expect to pay though your nose for
decades for a simple text editor"

+1 on that sound advice.
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