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  #61  
Old March 17th 05, 05:11 AM
Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)
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Colin

You could delete the partitions and reformat, and Easy Recovery would still
get the files back.. I have not yet tried it after writing zero's or a low
level format, but I think that overwritten files are a little more than even
ER can handle..

In the process of recovering a drive, I accidentally deleted a really old
game that had been installed from a diskette way back when.. not noticing at
first, I installed more programs onto the drive.. by the time that I
realised what I had done, it appears that the new programs had overwritten
the space that the game once occupied.. at that point, ERP just couldn't get
the files back..

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"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
...
Actually, I am retrieving files from a twice-formatted hard drive right
now. I am using OnTrack's EasyRecovery/DataRecovery in FormatRecovery
mode. It gets almost everything back. Not bad for a $199.00 program.
Including the Protected Storage (all the passwords). So maybe taking a
sledgehammer to the sucka and burying it under a prickly pear cactus plant
is not so outlandish an idea.

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Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
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"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
In ,
John John typed:

I can assure you that with a 3 pass wipe no one will be able to
retrieve anything from your drive unless they hire data recovery
specialists and spend thousands of dollars, and even then they may
recover nothing. I can further assure you that with a DOD or Gutmann
wipe no one will be able to retrieve anything unless they spend tens
of thousands of dollars and even then they may be left empty handed
with empty pockets! Unless you work for the CIA or MI5 and have
state secrets on your drive no one would bother spending that kind of
money trying to retrieve anything that might turn out to be nothing
more than emails to Grandma and a list of your favorite recipes, if
they indeed can recover anything.



Exactly right! Many people worry far too much about these things. For the
vast majority of people, even simply formatting the drive is sufficient.
Yes, it's possible to retrieve data after a format, but first you have to
know how, and second, you have to want to. Unless there's something
special about you and what you have on your drive, it's highly unlikely
that some criminal will single out your thrown-away computer to search
your drive for your darkest secrets.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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  #62  
Old March 17th 05, 06:41 AM
Don Burnette
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Hey, I was serious !!!




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Don Burnette

"When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the
way of the man that's doing it."


Joan Archer wrote:
So we have to be serious in here all the time do we and not have a
little light relieve now and then, so sorry g
Joan

TomS wrote:
Thanks for sticking to the subject and not getting into the "domestic
discourse" that should have been transferred to private e-mail or
instant messaging rather than wasting eveyone's time with this
useless crap.






  #63  
Old March 17th 05, 07:57 AM
Colin Barnhorst
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Since it has an option to recover from a previous file system, it just
might. I haven't tried that yet because I'm not experimenting at the
moment. I'm recovering data I want. It digs in pretty deep, though. This
job looks like several days to scan and build a directory tree. If I had a
good drive that I had formatted NTFS over FAT32 and had loaded files, I'm
pretty sure it could recover the files that were stored on the FAT32 file
system prior to formatting even if I had written new files on top of them
afterwards on the NTFS system.

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"no one" wrote in message
...


Colin Barnhorst wrote:

Actually, I am retrieving files from a twice-formatted hard drive right
now. I am using OnTrack's EasyRecovery/DataRecovery in FormatRecovery
mode. It gets almost everything back. Not bad for a $199.00 program.
Including the Protected Storage (all the passwords). So maybe taking a
sledgehammer to the sucka and burying it under a prickly pear cactus
plant is not so outlandish an idea.


does it retrieve data if ZERO's were written to the DRIVE !!





  #64  
Old March 17th 05, 07:59 AM
Colin Barnhorst
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I won't know for a couple of days. The only thing slower than this kind of
job is constipation.

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Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
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"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message
...
Colin

You could delete the partitions and reformat, and Easy Recovery would
still get the files back.. I have not yet tried it after writing zero's or
a low level format, but I think that overwritten files are a little more
than even ER can handle..

In the process of recovering a drive, I accidentally deleted a really old
game that had been installed from a diskette way back when.. not noticing
at first, I installed more programs onto the drive.. by the time that I
realised what I had done, it appears that the new programs had overwritten
the space that the game once occupied.. at that point, ERP just couldn't
get the files back..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
...
Actually, I am retrieving files from a twice-formatted hard drive right
now. I am using OnTrack's EasyRecovery/DataRecovery in FormatRecovery
mode. It gets almost everything back. Not bad for a $199.00 program.
Including the Protected Storage (all the passwords). So maybe taking a
sledgehammer to the sucka and burying it under a prickly pear cactus
plant is not so outlandish an idea.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
In ,
John John typed:

I can assure you that with a 3 pass wipe no one will be able to
retrieve anything from your drive unless they hire data recovery
specialists and spend thousands of dollars, and even then they may
recover nothing. I can further assure you that with a DOD or Gutmann
wipe no one will be able to retrieve anything unless they spend tens
of thousands of dollars and even then they may be left empty handed
with empty pockets! Unless you work for the CIA or MI5 and have
state secrets on your drive no one would bother spending that kind of
money trying to retrieve anything that might turn out to be nothing
more than emails to Grandma and a list of your favorite recipes, if
they indeed can recover anything.


Exactly right! Many people worry far too much about these things. For
the vast majority of people, even simply formatting the drive is
sufficient. Yes, it's possible to retrieve data after a format, but
first you have to know how, and second, you have to want to. Unless
there's something special about you and what you have on your drive,
it's highly unlikely that some criminal will single out your thrown-away
computer to search your drive for your darkest secrets.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup







  #65  
Old March 17th 05, 08:04 AM
Colin Barnhorst
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One thing that irritates me about ERDR is that once it starts a
FormatRecovery the screen stays put. No dragging out of the way to see
icons on the desktop. It is glued. I have the Desktop toolbar enabled, so
I can still work around (or should I say under) it, but it annoyed me enough
that I cancelled, saved the ersave file, moved the screen to my second
monitor, and resumed.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message
...
Colin

You could delete the partitions and reformat, and Easy Recovery would
still get the files back.. I have not yet tried it after writing zero's or
a low level format, but I think that overwritten files are a little more
than even ER can handle..

In the process of recovering a drive, I accidentally deleted a really old
game that had been installed from a diskette way back when.. not noticing
at first, I installed more programs onto the drive.. by the time that I
realised what I had done, it appears that the new programs had overwritten
the space that the game once occupied.. at that point, ERP just couldn't
get the files back..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
...
Actually, I am retrieving files from a twice-formatted hard drive right
now. I am using OnTrack's EasyRecovery/DataRecovery in FormatRecovery
mode. It gets almost everything back. Not bad for a $199.00 program.
Including the Protected Storage (all the passwords). So maybe taking a
sledgehammer to the sucka and burying it under a prickly pear cactus
plant is not so outlandish an idea.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
In ,
John John typed:

I can assure you that with a 3 pass wipe no one will be able to
retrieve anything from your drive unless they hire data recovery
specialists and spend thousands of dollars, and even then they may
recover nothing. I can further assure you that with a DOD or Gutmann
wipe no one will be able to retrieve anything unless they spend tens
of thousands of dollars and even then they may be left empty handed
with empty pockets! Unless you work for the CIA or MI5 and have
state secrets on your drive no one would bother spending that kind of
money trying to retrieve anything that might turn out to be nothing
more than emails to Grandma and a list of your favorite recipes, if
they indeed can recover anything.


Exactly right! Many people worry far too much about these things. For
the vast majority of people, even simply formatting the drive is
sufficient. Yes, it's possible to retrieve data after a format, but
first you have to know how, and second, you have to want to. Unless
there's something special about you and what you have on your drive,
it's highly unlikely that some criminal will single out your thrown-away
computer to search your drive for your darkest secrets.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup







  #66  
Old March 17th 05, 11:23 AM
Joan Archer
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Default Throwing out old computer

lol Every time the chancellor puts them up in the budget (which he has
just done again) I say I'll quit g but starting at 16 and now nearly
62 it's not going to happen g I might have to start eating vbg
Joan

Colin Barnhorst wrote:
I've been reading so much about the evils of smoking that I have decided to
give up...reading.

  #67  
Old March 17th 05, 07:12 PM
Kath Adams
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Default Throwing out old computer

Joan Archer wrote:
lol Every time the chancellor puts them up in the budget (which he
has just done again) I say I'll quit g but starting at 16 and now
nearly 62 it's not going to happen g I might have to start eating
vbg Joan


That's why I just spent a weekend in Amsterdam, all for free in effect
as the amount saved on buying abroad more than pays for the trip! We
bring back a box of 8000.
http://www.dfdsseaways.co.uk/dfdsseaways/en

--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)
In memory of Alex Nichol

  #68  
Old March 17th 05, 10:10 PM
Joan Archer
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Trouble is Kath I don't have a passport never having been abroad unless
you can call the ferry to the Isle of Arran going abroad that's the only
time I have left the mainland of Britain vbg
Joan

Kath Adams wrote:


That's why I just spent a weekend in Amsterdam, all for free in effect
as the amount saved on buying abroad more than pays for the trip! We
bring back a box of 8000.
http://www.dfdsseaways.co.uk/dfdsseaways/en

  #69  
Old March 18th 05, 02:16 PM
John John
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Rattleon wrote:

I am an Expert in Hard Drive Data Recovery Service, and have
professionally done it for Major Corporations for Several years. Read
again....................PROFESSIONALLY DONE IT...........


Dear Mr. Expert;

I have contacted Dr. Peter Gutmann for an authoritative answer to your
claim. Dr. Gutmann is a foremost authority on the subject of security
and data recovery, he is recognized worldwide as one of the leading
authority in this field. Here is what Dr. Gutmann has to say about your
claim:

(I asked Dr. Gutmann

"So my question to you Dr. Gutmann, could data be recovered from an
unwiped" drive if it had a single 1/4" hole drilled through it?"

Dr. Gutmann replied:

"Sure, the areas unaffected by physical damage (so not just the hole but
any other material thrown out or damage caused by the drilling) could
still be recovered. You wouldn't even need anything fancy like MFM,
just mount it in a spin stand, compensate for the changed centre of
gravity caused by the loss of drilled-out material, and read the data
off it. You may not get 100% recovery, and working around the
physically damaged portions would be tricky, but a lot of it could still
be recovered."

Peter

Did you read what Dr. Gutmann said? He could even recover some of the
data off the drill shavings!

'nough said about your expert opinion. If you don't believe me perhaps
you can write Peter yourself, he was kind enough to reply my query in
less than 24 hours. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Gutmann for
a short bio on Dr. Gutmann. Dr Gutmann's home page:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/

See also:

Secure Deletion of Data from Magnetic and Solid-State Memory

Peter Gutmann
Department of Computer Science
University of Auckland

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...ecure_del.html

It would appear that I am still in my tree... from up here I can see you
down there... PROFESSIONALLY speaking of course.

John

  #70  
Old March 18th 05, 02:31 PM
David Candy
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Noone disputes you. Did you see any posts. Now f ck off and leave us =
free from your ego.

--=20
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"John John" wrote in message =
...
Rattleon wrote:
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I am an Expert in Hard Drive Data Recovery Service, and have=20
professionally done it for Major Corporations for Several years. Read
again....................PROFESSIONALLY DONE IT...........

=20
Dear Mr. Expert;
=20
I have contacted Dr. Peter Gutmann for an authoritative answer to your
claim. Dr. Gutmann is a foremost authority on the subject of security
and data recovery, he is recognized worldwide as one of the leading
authority in this field. Here is what Dr. Gutmann has to say about =

your
claim:
=20
(I asked Dr. Gutmann
=20
"So my question to you Dr. Gutmann, could data be recovered from an
unwiped" drive if it had a single 1/4" hole drilled through it?"
=20
Dr. Gutmann replied:
=20
"Sure, the areas unaffected by physical damage (so not just the hole =

but
any other material thrown out or damage caused by the drilling) could
still be recovered. You wouldn't even need anything fancy like MFM,
just mount it in a spin stand, compensate for the changed centre of
gravity caused by the loss of drilled-out material, and read the data
off it. You may not get 100% recovery, and working around the
physically damaged portions would be tricky, but a lot of it could =

still
be recovered."
=20
Peter
=20
Did you read what Dr. Gutmann said? He could even recover some of the
data off the drill shavings!
=20
'nough said about your expert opinion. If you don't believe me =

perhaps
you can write Peter yourself, he was kind enough to reply my query in
less than 24 hours. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Gutmann =

for
a short bio on Dr. Gutmann. Dr Gutmann's home page:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/
=20
See also:
=20
Secure Deletion of Data from Magnetic and Solid-State Memory
=20
Peter Gutmann
Department of Computer Science
University of Auckland
=20
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...ecure_del.html
=20
It would appear that I am still in my tree... from up here I can see =

you
down there... PROFESSIONALLY speaking of course.
=20
John

 




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