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Old September 5th 18, 03:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Any maximised window is larger than my screen

No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530.

Regardless, the graphics adapter MUST support the monitor's supported
resolutions and vice versa!

What size are your maximised windows?


1920x1080 on this Intel HD Graphics 520 machine (laptop)

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Old September 5th 18, 06:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Any maximised window is larger than my screen

GS wrote:

No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530.


Regardless, the graphics adapter MUST support the monitor's supported
resolutions and vice versa!

What size are your maximised windows?


1920x1080 on this Intel HD Graphics 520 machine (laptop)


Are you sure? How did you measure the size? And the position? Having
maximised a window, can you still see all its borders?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK
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Old September 5th 18, 07:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.homebuilt
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 10:42:47 -0400, Neil wrote:

It sounds to me that there are two separate matters being discussed.
When an app is maximized, it is indeed normal that one can't grab the
edges to resize it, an aspect that dates back to Windows 2.0 as I
recall. However, your stated app size is "...1936 x 1186...", which
means that one dimension of a maximized app is larger than your screen
size while the other is _smaller_ than your screen size. This sounds odd
to me.



The vertical height should be compared with screen minus taskbar (1200 – 30).


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Old September 5th 18, 10:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.homebuilt
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On 9/5/2018 2:57 PM, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 10:42:47 -0400, Neil wrote:

It sounds to me that there are two separate matters being discussed.
When an app is maximized, it is indeed normal that one can't grab the
edges to resize it, an aspect that dates back to Windows 2.0 as I
recall. However, your stated app size is "...1936 x 1186...", which
means that one dimension of a maximized app is larger than your screen
size while the other is _smaller_ than your screen size. This sounds odd
to me.



The vertical height should be compared with screen minus taskbar (1200 – 30).


That makes sense. Whatever...the inability to resize maximized apps via
their boundaries has been an OS property for decades, so I'm wondering
why it's being considered a problem?

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Old September 6th 18, 12:17 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Any maximised window is larger than my screen

GS wrote:

No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530.


Regardless, the graphics adapter MUST support the monitor's supported
resolutions and vice versa!

What size are your maximised windows?


1920x1080 on this Intel HD Graphics 520 machine (laptop)


Are you sure? How did you measure the size? And the position? Having
maximised a window, can you still see all its borders?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK


Maximizing a window fills the screen without borders, and has the same bounds
for its content as does a normalized window with (or without) borders. (Windows
do not require borders; - it's an option!) So then, what I see to the extents
of my screen when maximized is the same as what I see in the normalized window
on my screen.

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Old September 6th 18, 09:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Terry Pinnell[_3_]
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Default Any maximised window is larger than my screen

GS wrote:

GS wrote:

No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530.

Regardless, the graphics adapter MUST support the monitor's supported
resolutions and vice versa!

What size are your maximised windows?

1920x1080 on this Intel HD Graphics 520 machine (laptop)


Are you sure? How did you measure the size? And the position? Having
maximised a window, can you still see all its borders?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK


Maximizing a window fills the screen without borders, and has the same bounds
for its content as does a normalized window with (or without) borders. (Windows
do not require borders; - it's an option!) So then, what I see to the extents
of my screen when maximized is the same as what I see in the normalized window
on my screen.


Yes, you can obviously only *see* as much of your window as your
screen's resolution allows. But if you measure its *size* (and position)
you will find it has changed.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK
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Old September 6th 18, 04:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Any maximised window is larger than my screen

GS wrote:

GS wrote:

No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530.

Regardless, the graphics adapter MUST support the monitor's supported
resolutions and vice versa!

What size are your maximised windows?

1920x1080 on this Intel HD Graphics 520 machine (laptop)

Are you sure? How did you measure the size? And the position? Having
maximised a window, can you still see all its borders?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK


Maximizing a window fills the screen without borders, and has the same
bounds for its content as does a normalized window with (or without)
borders. (Windows do not require borders; - it's an option!) So then, what
I see to the extents of my screen when maximized is the same as what I see
in the normalized window on my screen.


Yes, you can obviously only *see* as much of your window as your
screen's resolution allows. But if you measure its *size* (and position)
you will find it has changed.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK


Sorry, not the case; - it's always 0,0 when maximized. I suspect, though, you
find a diff with your 2nd monitor because the res's are not matched.

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Old September 6th 18, 08:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Terry Pinnell[_3_]
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GS wrote:

GS wrote:

GS wrote:

No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530.

Regardless, the graphics adapter MUST support the monitor's supported
resolutions and vice versa!

What size are your maximised windows?

1920x1080 on this Intel HD Graphics 520 machine (laptop)

Are you sure? How did you measure the size? And the position? Having
maximised a window, can you still see all its borders?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Maximizing a window fills the screen without borders, and has the same
bounds for its content as does a normalized window with (or without)
borders. (Windows do not require borders; - it's an option!) So then, what
I see to the extents of my screen when maximized is the same as what I see
in the normalized window on my screen.


Yes, you can obviously only *see* as much of your window as your
screen's resolution allows. But if you measure its *size* (and position)
you will find it has changed.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK


Sorry, not the case; - it's always 0,0 when maximized. I suspect, though, you
find a diff with your 2nd monitor because the res's are not matched.


Size unchanged too? If so, that seems to contradict the fact that you
can no longer see its borders.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK
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Old September 6th 18, 09:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Any maximised window is larger than my screen

GS wrote:

GS wrote:

GS wrote:

No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530.

Regardless, the graphics adapter MUST support the monitor's supported
resolutions and vice versa!

What size are your maximised windows?

1920x1080 on this Intel HD Graphics 520 machine (laptop)

Are you sure? How did you measure the size? And the position? Having
maximised a window, can you still see all its borders?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Maximizing a window fills the screen without borders, and has the same
bounds for its content as does a normalized window with (or without)
borders. (Windows do not require borders; - it's an option!) So then,
what I see to the extents of my screen when maximized is the same as
what I see in the normalized window on my screen.

Yes, you can obviously only *see* as much of your window as your
screen's resolution allows. But if you measure its *size* (and position)
you will find it has changed.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK


Sorry, not the case; - it's always 0,0 when maximized. I suspect, though,
you find a diff with your 2nd monitor because the res's are not matched.


Size unchanged too? If so, that seems to contradict the fact that you
can no longer see its borders.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK


Correct, maximized windows do not have visible borders. That said, it assumes
"full-screen" positioning/sizing.

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Old September 6th 18, 09:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Any maximised window is larger than my screen

GS wrote:

GS wrote:

GS wrote:

No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530.

Regardless, the graphics adapter MUST support the monitor's supported
resolutions and vice versa!

What size are your maximised windows?

1920x1080 on this Intel HD Graphics 520 machine (laptop)

Are you sure? How did you measure the size? And the position? Having
maximised a window, can you still see all its borders?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Maximizing a window fills the screen without borders, and has the same
bounds for its content as does a normalized window with (or without)
borders. (Windows do not require borders; - it's an option!) So then,
what I see to the extents of my screen when maximized is the same as
what I see in the normalized window on my screen.

Yes, you can obviously only *see* as much of your window as your
screen's resolution allows. But if you measure its *size* (and position)
you will find it has changed.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Sorry, not the case; - it's always 0,0 when maximized. I suspect, though,
you find a diff with your 2nd monitor because the res's are not matched.


Size unchanged too? If so, that seems to contradict the fact that you
can no longer see its borders.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK


Correct, maximized windows do not have visible borders. That said, it assumes
"full-screen" positioning/sizing.


More correctly, stretching borders to the screen edges so they're visible
returns the same top/left window positions as does maximizing the window (no
visible borders)!

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Old September 7th 18, 11:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2018 11:42:37 -0400, GS wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:
GS wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:
GS wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:

No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530.

Regardless, the graphics adapter MUST support the monitor's supported
resolutions and vice versa!

What size are your maximised windows?

1920x1080 on this Intel HD Graphics 520 machine (laptop)

Are you sure? How did you measure the size? And the position? Having
maximised a window, can you still see all its borders?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Maximizing a window fills the screen without borders, and has the same
bounds for its content as does a normalized window with (or without)
borders. (Windows do not require borders; - it's an option!) So then, what
I see to the extents of my screen when maximized is the same as what I see
in the normalized window on my screen.


Yes, you can obviously only *see* as much of your window as your
screen's resolution allows. But if you measure its *size* (and position)
you will find it has changed.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK


Sorry, not the case; - it's always 0,0 when maximized.


I see the same as Terry.

Screen-shot: --- https://i.imgur.com/wkN4W9Z.gif

I use AutoIt to check the window position. Terry uses two other
programs, AutoHotkey and Macro Express Pro. All three say the same.

You have not yet told us what you are using to get the window position.

I suspect, though, you
find a diff with your 2nd monitor because the res's are not matched.


Using a single monitor, I still see the same as Terry.
On a different computer, I still see the same as Terry.


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Ralph
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Old September 8th 18, 11:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2018 11:42:37 -0400, GS wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:
GS wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:
GS wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:

No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530.

Regardless, the graphics adapter MUST support the monitor's supported
resolutions and vice versa!

What size are your maximised windows?

1920x1080 on this Intel HD Graphics 520 machine (laptop)

Are you sure? How did you measure the size? And the position? Having
maximised a window, can you still see all its borders?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Maximizing a window fills the screen without borders, and has the same
bounds for its content as does a normalized window with (or without)
borders. (Windows do not require borders; - it's an option!) So then,
what I see to the extents of my screen when maximized is the same as
what I see in the normalized window on my screen.

Yes, you can obviously only *see* as much of your window as your
screen's resolution allows. But if you measure its *size* (and position)
you will find it has changed.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK


Sorry, not the case; - it's always 0,0 when maximized.


I see the same as Terry.

Screen-shot: --- https://i.imgur.com/wkN4W9Z.gif

I use AutoIt to check the window position. Terry uses two other
programs, AutoHotkey and Macro Express Pro. All three say the same.

You have not yet told us what you are using to get the window position.


I'm getting position via code in a running Visual Studio project, for the
Left/Top properties of its main window while maximized; then when normalized
and stretched (snapped) to the 4 edges of my display. I get the same values for
Left/Top and Width/Height in both window states.

I suspect, though, you
find a diff with your 2nd monitor because the res's are not matched.


Using a single monitor, I still see the same as Terry.
On a different computer, I still see the same as Terry.


I'm using the built-in display on this laptop, running same res as Terry
(1920x1080). I could test in another machine with diff res; I have 1920x1200,
1366x768. Visually, they display the same except maximized runs full-screen
mode (borders hidden).

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Old September 8th 18, 11:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Terry Pinnell[_3_]
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GS wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2018 11:42:37 -0400, GS wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:
GS wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:
GS wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:

No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530.

Regardless, the graphics adapter MUST support the monitor's supported
resolutions and vice versa!

What size are your maximised windows?

1920x1080 on this Intel HD Graphics 520 machine (laptop)

Are you sure? How did you measure the size? And the position? Having
maximised a window, can you still see all its borders?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Maximizing a window fills the screen without borders, and has the same
bounds for its content as does a normalized window with (or without)
borders. (Windows do not require borders; - it's an option!) So then,
what I see to the extents of my screen when maximized is the same as
what I see in the normalized window on my screen.

Yes, you can obviously only *see* as much of your window as your
screen's resolution allows. But if you measure its *size* (and position)
you will find it has changed.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Sorry, not the case; - it's always 0,0 when maximized.


I see the same as Terry.

Screen-shot: --- https://i.imgur.com/wkN4W9Z.gif

I use AutoIt to check the window position. Terry uses two other
programs, AutoHotkey and Macro Express Pro. All three say the same.

You have not yet told us what you are using to get the window position.


I'm getting position via code in a running Visual Studio project, for the
Left/Top properties of its main window while maximized; then when normalized
and stretched (snapped) to the 4 edges of my display. I get the same values for
Left/Top and Width/Height in both window states.

I suspect, though, you
find a diff with your 2nd monitor because the res's are not matched.


Using a single monitor, I still see the same as Terry.
On a different computer, I still see the same as Terry.


I'm using the built-in display on this laptop, running same res as Terry
(1920x1080).


Mine is 1920 x 1200.

I'm composing this in a maximised (and therefore borderless) Agent
window, which is reported as
X = -8
Y = -8
WindowWidth = 1936
WindowHeight = 1186

When resized by my macro to 1920 x 1172 its 8px borders are restored and
it fills that part of the screen not occupied by the bottom Win 10
taskbar, which is reported as
X = 0
Y = 1170
WindowWidth = 1920
WindowHeight = 30

(So there is actually a 2px overlap on top of the taskbar).

As well as the tools already mentioned you might want to try the free
WinSpy, widely available, e.g. from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/win...e=typ_redirect


Terry, East Grinstead, UK
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Old September 8th 18, 10:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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GS wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2018 11:42:37 -0400, GS wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:
GS wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:
GS wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:

No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530.

Regardless, the graphics adapter MUST support the monitor's supported
resolutions and vice versa!

What size are your maximised windows?

1920x1080 on this Intel HD Graphics 520 machine (laptop)

Are you sure? How did you measure the size? And the position? Having
maximised a window, can you still see all its borders?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Maximizing a window fills the screen without borders, and has the same
bounds for its content as does a normalized window with (or without)
borders. (Windows do not require borders; - it's an option!) So then,
what I see to the extents of my screen when maximized is the same as
what I see in the normalized window on my screen.

Yes, you can obviously only *see* as much of your window as your
screen's resolution allows. But if you measure its *size* (and position)
you will find it has changed.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Sorry, not the case; - it's always 0,0 when maximized.

I see the same as Terry.

Screen-shot: --- https://i.imgur.com/wkN4W9Z.gif

I use AutoIt to check the window position. Terry uses two other
programs, AutoHotkey and Macro Express Pro. All three say the same.

You have not yet told us what you are using to get the window position.


I'm getting position via code in a running Visual Studio project, for the
Left/Top properties of its main window while maximized; then when normalized
and stretched (snapped) to the 4 edges of my display. I get the same values
for Left/Top and Width/Height in both window states.

I suspect, though, you
find a diff with your 2nd monitor because the res's are not matched.

Using a single monitor, I still see the same as Terry.
On a different computer, I still see the same as Terry.


I'm using the built-in display on this laptop, running same res as Terry
(1920x1080).


Mine is 1920 x 1200.

I'm composing this in a maximised (and therefore borderless) Agent
window, which is reported as
X = -8
Y = -8
WindowWidth = 1936
WindowHeight = 1186

When resized by my macro to 1920 x 1172 its 8px borders are restored and
it fills that part of the screen not occupied by the bottom Win 10
taskbar, which is reported as
X = 0
Y = 1170
WindowWidth = 1920
WindowHeight = 30

(So there is actually a 2px overlap on top of the taskbar).

As well as the tools already mentioned you might want to try the free
WinSpy, widely available, e.g. from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/win...e=typ_redirect


Terry, East Grinstead, UK


Thanks for the additional info!
I prefer to do my own programming via APIs and the various WMI tools provided
by Windows so I know by what process the data is collected.

Typically, the Top/Left of windows touching those boundaries of your screen
will return negative values relative to the scale used by the software
collecting the data. IOW, if you programmatically set these properties to 0/0
your window will position inside the boundaries of your screen. Maximizing a
window sets it to 'full-screen' mode.

Typically, using 2 or more monitors, windows will display differently when the
res of those monitors does not match with the res of the 'primary' monitor,
-OR- when your graphics adaptor doesn't support the resolutions available from
those monitors. IICR, when I plugged my 13" laptop (1366x768 res) into my HP
24" monitor the display was bizarre because that monitor didn't support that
res being old as it was. However, it displayed the 1920x1200 res my Dell
Workstations run just fine.

So my personal (right or wrong) conclusion is: when res matches all is well;
when not matching, the unmatched monitor goes awry!

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