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  #1  
Old September 22nd 17, 05:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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Default Windows/Total Commander problems


Suddenly having problems with this both versions (Total Commander/Windows
Commander) old file manager. It won't change directories. One view is set
to C drive, the other to L. Selecting another drive has no effect. This
never happened before. Any theories by anyone familiar with this utility?
I'd hate to switch to something else. I doubt DLing another version would
help.

My Computer's display looks at different drives with no problems.

There might be something else wrong with the computer. It is a ~10 year old
Emachine.

Running XP Home.

TIA

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Old September 22nd 17, 08:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
JJ[_11_]
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Default Windows/Total Commander problems

On 22 Sep 2017 16:39:48 GMT, KenK wrote:
Suddenly having problems with this both versions (Total Commander/Windows
Commander) old file manager. It won't change directories. One view is set
to C drive, the other to L. Selecting another drive has no effect. This
never happened before. Any theories by anyone familiar with this utility?
I'd hate to switch to something else. I doubt DLing another version would
help.

My Computer's display looks at different drives with no problems.

There might be something else wrong with the computer. It is a ~10 year old
Emachine.

Running XP Home.

TIA


Need more details.

What happen when you try to change the direcory? Any error message? Or no
effect too?

Did you tried it using mouse or keyboard?

Can you change drive or directory via Total Commander's command line box?
e.g. E:\ or CD DATA

I use Total Commander, BTW. And I haven't encountered a problem like yours.
  #3  
Old September 23rd 17, 05:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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Default Windows/Total Commander problems

JJ wrote in
:

On 22 Sep 2017 16:39:48 GMT, KenK wrote:
Suddenly having problems with this both versions (Total
Commander/Windows Commander) old file manager. It won't change
directories. One view is set to C drive, the other to L. Selecting
another drive has no effect. This never happened before. Any theories
by anyone familiar with this utility? I'd hate to switch to something
else. I doubt DLing another version would help.

My Computer's display looks at different drives with no problems.

There might be something else wrong with the computer. It is a ~10
year old Emachine.

Running XP Home.

TIA


Need more details.

What happen when you try to change the direcory? Any error message? Or
no effect too?
\

OK. Using two drive panels. At the left top corner of the panel is a letter
showing the drive selected. Under that and to its right are descriptions of
the drive letter shown. If I click on the drive letter and select a new one
the content list of the original drive does not change nor does the drive
info under to the right of the letter. If I select something from the
content list the drive letter in the little selection box changes by itself
back to the original drive letter.

Did you tried it using mouse or keyboard?

Can you change drive or directory via Total Commander's command line
box? e.g. E:\ or CD DATA


Don't know. Never tried that. Not familiar with command line usage so can't
check.

I use Total Commander, BTW. And I haven't encountered a problem like
yours.


I've used it ten or fifteen years and hadn't either until a few days ago. I
suspect something in the computer is causing the problem but haven't
noticed problems elsewhere.

I have a copy of both Total Commander and Windows Commander and both have
the same problem.

Hope this helps a little.

As I said, the My Computer OS utility doesn't seem to have any problems
with drive changing, content display and identities.




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Old September 25th 17, 10:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
mike[_10_]
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Default Windows/Total Commander problems

On 9/23/2017 9:27 AM, KenK wrote:
JJ wrote in
:

On 22 Sep 2017 16:39:48 GMT, KenK wrote:
Suddenly having problems with this both versions (Total
Commander/Windows Commander) old file manager. It won't change
directories. One view is set to C drive, the other to L. Selecting
another drive has no effect. This never happened before. Any theories
by anyone familiar with this utility? I'd hate to switch to something
else. I doubt DLing another version would help.

My Computer's display looks at different drives with no problems.

There might be something else wrong with the computer. It is a ~10
year old Emachine.

Running XP Home.

TIA


Need more details.

What happen when you try to change the direcory? Any error message? Or
no effect too?
\

OK. Using two drive panels. At the left top corner of the panel is a letter
showing the drive selected. Under that and to its right are descriptions of
the drive letter shown. If I click on the drive letter and select a new one
the content list of the original drive does not change nor does the drive
info under to the right of the letter. If I select something from the
content list the drive letter in the little selection box changes by itself
back to the original drive letter.

Did you tried it using mouse or keyboard?

Can you change drive or directory via Total Commander's command line
box? e.g. E:\ or CD DATA


Don't know. Never tried that. Not familiar with command line usage so can't
check.

I use Total Commander, BTW. And I haven't encountered a problem like
yours.


I've used it ten or fifteen years and hadn't either until a few days ago. I
suspect something in the computer is causing the problem but haven't
noticed problems elsewhere.

I have a copy of both Total Commander and Windows Commander and both have
the same problem.

Hope this helps a little.

As I said, the My Computer OS utility doesn't seem to have any problems
with drive changing, content display and identities.




I've been using total commander for years without any troubles.
Recently, I'm seeing more cases of "total commander is not responding."
Happens mostly with network drives, but not completely. I'm thinking
something in windows has changed and the timeouts aren't working any more.
  #5  
Old September 25th 17, 02:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Windows/Total Commander problems

Il giorno Fri 22 Sep 2017 06:39:48p, *KenK* ha inviato su
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general il messaggio
. Vediamo cosa ha scritto:

I doubt DLing another version would
help.


try renaming the old directories:

program:
c:\Program Files (x86)\totalcmd\
c:\Program Files\totalcmd\
c:\totalcmd\

data:
c:\Users\JohnDoe\AppData\Local\GHISLER\
c:\Users\JohnDoe\AppData\Roaming\GHISLER\


and install again

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Old September 26th 17, 06:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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Default Windows/Total Commander problems

KenK wrote in
:

OK. Using two drive panels. At the left top corner of the panel is a
letter showing the drive selected. Under that and to its right are
descriptions of the drive letter shown. If I click on the drive letter
and select a new one the content list of the original drive does not
change nor does the drive info under to the right of the letter. If I
select something from the content list the drive letter in the little
selection box changes by itself back to the original drive letter.



Paul? John? Anyone know what could suddenly make this file manager fail to
be able to change the drives properly? XP problem? Some other software?
(This occurs when I first turn on computer before loading browser or other
applications.) This occurs with either of two versions of this file
manager. The manager worked fine for many years previous to this problem.

TIA


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Old September 26th 17, 08:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Windows/Total Commander problems

KenK wrote:
KenK wrote in
:

OK. Using two drive panels. At the left top corner of the panel is a
letter showing the drive selected. Under that and to its right are
descriptions of the drive letter shown. If I click on the drive letter
and select a new one the content list of the original drive does not
change nor does the drive info under to the right of the letter. If I
select something from the content list the drive letter in the little
selection box changes by itself back to the original drive letter.



Paul? John? Anyone know what could suddenly make this file manager fail to
be able to change the drives properly? XP problem? Some other software?
(This occurs when I first turn on computer before loading browser or other
applications.) This occurs with either of two versions of this file
manager. The manager worked fine for many years previous to this problem.

TIA


Obviously, the file manager doesn't think the partition
you're trying to flip to, is present.

Why does it think that ?

I'm out of guesses.

Remember, I'm the guy, that it took me more than one year
of debugging, to figure out that some real weird
symptoms on this computer, was *actually* caused by
bad RAM. You wouldn't believe the weird **** File
Explorer was doing. I was forced to fix it, when WinXP
started crashing after reading any more than 15GB of
hard drive data. That really made me sit up and take notice.
And it was actually a Windows Memory Tester that found
the bad RAM. I was just goofing around, and decided to
try the Windows Memory Tester because I was bored.

Paul

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Old September 27th 17, 07:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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Paul wrote in newsqe8in$gkv$1@dont-
email.me:

KenK wrote:
KenK wrote in
:

OK. Using two drive panels. At the left top corner of the

panel is a
letter showing the drive selected. Under that and to its

right are
descriptions of the drive letter shown. If I click on the

drive
letter and select a new one the content list of the original

drive
does not change nor does the drive info under to the right

of the
letter. If I select something from the content list the

drive letter
in the little selection box changes by itself back to the

original
drive letter.



Paul? John? Anyone know what could suddenly make this file

manager
fail to be able to change the drives properly? XP problem?

Some other
software? (This occurs when I first turn on computer before

loading
browser or other applications.) This occurs with either of

two
versions of this file manager. The manager worked fine for

many years
previous to this problem.

TIA


Obviously, the file manager doesn't think the partition
you're trying to flip to, is present.

Why does it think that ?

I'm out of guesses.

Remember, I'm the guy, that it took me more than one year
of debugging, to figure out that some real weird
symptoms on this computer, was *actually* caused by
bad RAM. You wouldn't believe the weird **** File
Explorer was doing. I was forced to fix it, when WinXP
started crashing after reading any more than 15GB of
hard drive data. That really made me sit up and take notice.
And it was actually a Windows Memory Tester that found
the bad RAM. I was just goofing around, and decided to
try the Windows Memory Tester because I was bored.

Paul


Where did you find the Windows Memory Tester? I've searched with
Control Panel and looked on Google and there seems to be nothing
built-in I can find on my system. DLing stuff all seems to be
disk images and seems more complicated than I'd prefer to get
into. I can't seem to find a simple XP memory tester to run from
the web site or DL. I seem to remember when I was running DOS
they were all over the place. I have a couple of old floppies
from magazines with maintenance utilities but I have no way to
run a floppy. The utilities probably wouldn't work on XP anyhow.

Suggestions?



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Old September 27th 17, 09:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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KenK wrote:
Paul wrote in newsqe8in$gkv$1@dont-
email.me:

KenK wrote:
KenK wrote in
:

OK. Using two drive panels. At the left top corner of the

panel is a
letter showing the drive selected. Under that and to its

right are
descriptions of the drive letter shown. If I click on the

drive
letter and select a new one the content list of the original

drive
does not change nor does the drive info under to the right

of the
letter. If I select something from the content list the

drive letter
in the little selection box changes by itself back to the

original
drive letter.


Paul? John? Anyone know what could suddenly make this file

manager
fail to be able to change the drives properly? XP problem?

Some other
software? (This occurs when I first turn on computer before

loading
browser or other applications.) This occurs with either of

two
versions of this file manager. The manager worked fine for

many years
previous to this problem.

TIA

Obviously, the file manager doesn't think the partition
you're trying to flip to, is present.

Why does it think that ?

I'm out of guesses.

Remember, I'm the guy, that it took me more than one year
of debugging, to figure out that some real weird
symptoms on this computer, was *actually* caused by
bad RAM. You wouldn't believe the weird **** File
Explorer was doing. I was forced to fix it, when WinXP
started crashing after reading any more than 15GB of
hard drive data. That really made me sit up and take notice.
And it was actually a Windows Memory Tester that found
the bad RAM. I was just goofing around, and decided to
try the Windows Memory Tester because I was bored.

Paul


Where did you find the Windows Memory Tester? I've searched with
Control Panel and looked on Google and there seems to be nothing
built-in I can find on my system. DLing stuff all seems to be
disk images and seems more complicated than I'd prefer to get
into. I can't seem to find a simple XP memory tester to run from
the web site or DL. I seem to remember when I was running DOS
they were all over the place. I have a couple of old floppies
from magazines with maintenance utilities but I have no way to
run a floppy. The utilities probably wouldn't work on XP anyhow.

Suggestions?


https://www.raymond.cc/blog/test-you...ry-diagnostic/

The Memory Diagnostic is also present on the Windows DVD
and the System Recovery media disc. It’s available from
the System recovery Options window and is the same tool
accessed from in Windows that asks to reboot now and test,
or test at next reboot.

https://img.raymond.cc/blog/wp-conte...mem-diag-5.png

This article has some nice pictures.

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...tics-tool.html

So you'd probably be looking for a Vista, Win7, Win8, Win10
disc for that. Or, if you made the System Recover CD (about 300MB,
made from the Windows Backup control panel tab), it's probably
in there too.

If you don't have your own media, the Heidoc URL generator,
has a Copy To Clipboard button, to copy the URL for the
various ISOs it can find on the Microsoft site. We have
to use this, since the DigitalRiver downloads are gone now.
The URLs point to Microsoft, and the image then has nothing
to do with Heidoc. All that the Heidoc tool does is
"fake" a session with the Microsoft server, to trick it
into giving you the download. To do that, it uses

Internet Explorer
Some level of .NET

and that can be a barrier for a WinXP user. Heidoc used to
have a version for WinXP users, but they're having enough
trouble keeping their main version running. Microsoft keeps
jiggling the controls on their end, so in many ways
this is as much of a pain in the ass to maintain as
the Youtube Downloader.

Requirements: Windows 7 or newer,
.NET Framework 4.6.2 or newer,
Internet Explorer 8 or newer.

Those are pretty hefty requirements. But it does allow a Dell
owner to get their very own Win7 retail ISO for reinstallation
purposes.

https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...-download-tool

https://www.heidoc.net/php/Windows%2...Downloader.exe

The current version (today) is 5.21, so that gives you some
idea how often they need to update it.

And that's how you get media (with the memory tester), when
the official Microsoft web pages keep asking for license keys.
Only Win10 (15063) doesn't ask for license keys, so that's
an option if you want to get one of those discs.

HTH,
Paul
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Old September 27th 17, 10:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Windows/Total Commander problems

In message , KenK
writes:
[]
Where did you find the Windows Memory Tester? I've searched with


Paul's answered that, but ...

Control Panel and looked on Google and there seems to be nothing
built-in I can find on my system. DLing stuff all seems to be
disk images and seems more complicated than I'd prefer to get
into. I can't seem to find a simple XP memory tester to run from
the web site or DL. I seem to remember when I was running DOS
they were all over the place. I have a couple of old floppies
from magazines with maintenance utilities but I have no way to
run a floppy. The utilities probably wouldn't work on XP anyhow.

Suggestions?

The commonest one in DOS days (and to some extent still) is something
called something like MemTest86 - which wasn't DOS; it ran from a
bootable floppy.

If you haven't got a floppy drive, I _think_ there are versions that
will run from a CD. (Seems a waste of about 699 [or 199 or whatever if
you use a mini-one] MB, but since they only cost a few pence, I suppose
it doesn't matter.)


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Old September 28th 17, 12:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Windows/Total Commander problems

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , KenK
writes:
[]
Where did you find the Windows Memory Tester? I've searched with


Paul's answered that, but ...

Control Panel and looked on Google and there seems to be nothing
built-in I can find on my system. DLing stuff all seems to be
disk images and seems more complicated than I'd prefer to get
into. I can't seem to find a simple XP memory tester to run from
the web site or DL. I seem to remember when I was running DOS
they were all over the place. I have a couple of old floppies
from magazines with maintenance utilities but I have no way to
run a floppy. The utilities probably wouldn't work on XP anyhow.

Suggestions?

The commonest one in DOS days (and to some extent still) is something
called something like MemTest86 - which wasn't DOS; it ran from a
bootable floppy.

If you haven't got a floppy drive, I _think_ there are versions that
will run from a CD. (Seems a waste of about 699 [or 199 or whatever if
you use a mini-one] MB, but since they only cost a few pence, I suppose
it doesn't matter.)



Memtest doesn't actually use an OS. The loader loads the executable,
and the executable owns the machine. Memtest *is* the OS. It
uses VESA video mode, to draw the screen. That's why the screen is
640x480 while it tests. The executable is pretty small.

You can get memtest86+ at memtest.org . Half way down the web page.
There is a CD version, suitable for modern (floppy-less) computers.

I specifically included info for the Windows Memory Diagnostic, because
you never know when a second opinion might be required. I just happened
to see a failure in there, and I had to wait until the entire
memtest suite was finished, before I could confirm it. This was
one time, where only using memtest test #5, wasn't enough. You have
to run the whole thing, if your memory problem is obscure enough.
I was also not able to fault isolate to the nearest stick,
try as I might. I had to install all four sticks, to see
the (transient) error. And adjusting my Vnb this time,
didn't help. Putting new memory in, fixed it (grrr...).

Paul
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Old September 28th 17, 06:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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Default Windows/Total Commander problems

Paul wrote in news
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , KenK
writes:
[]
Where did you find the Windows Memory Tester? I've searched with


Paul's answered that, but ...

Control Panel and looked on Google and there seems to be nothing
built-in I can find on my system. DLing stuff all seems to be
disk images and seems more complicated than I'd prefer to get
into. I can't seem to find a simple XP memory tester to run from
the web site or DL. I seem to remember when I was running DOS
they were all over the place. I have a couple of old floppies
from magazines with maintenance utilities but I have no way to
run a floppy. The utilities probably wouldn't work on XP anyhow.

Suggestions?

The commonest one in DOS days (and to some extent still) is something
called something like MemTest86 - which wasn't DOS; it ran from a
bootable floppy.

If you haven't got a floppy drive, I _think_ there are versions that
will run from a CD. (Seems a waste of about 699 [or 199 or whatever if
you use a mini-one] MB, but since they only cost a few pence, I

suppose
it doesn't matter.)



Memtest doesn't actually use an OS. The loader loads the executable,
and the executable owns the machine. Memtest *is* the OS. It
uses VESA video mode, to draw the screen. That's why the screen is
640x480 while it tests. The executable is pretty small.

You can get memtest86+ at memtest.org . Half way down the web page.
There is a CD version, suitable for modern (floppy-less) computers.

I specifically included info for the Windows Memory Diagnostic, because
you never know when a second opinion might be required. I just happened
to see a failure in there, and I had to wait until the entire
memtest suite was finished, before I could confirm it. This was
one time, where only using memtest test #5, wasn't enough. You have
to run the whole thing, if your memory problem is obscure enough.
I was also not able to fault isolate to the nearest stick,
try as I might. I had to install all four sticks, to see
the (transient) error. And adjusting my Vnb this time,
didn't help. Putting new memory in, fixed it (grrr...).

Paul


How difficult is it to replace the memory chips? Remember? I seem to
recall doing it on one of my systems a few years ago but that's all I
recall. Probably depends on the motherboard.


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Old September 28th 17, 07:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Windows/Total Commander problems

In message , KenK
writes:
[]
How difficult is it to replace the memory chips? Remember? I seem to
recall doing it on one of my systems a few years ago but that's all I
recall. Probably depends on the motherboard.


What Memtest86 (and I suspect the other utility that others have
mentioned) tests is the RAM modules, which are one of the more trivial
things to change on a motherboard. You probably know this, but I wasn't
sure, from the above question.

If you don't: the RAM modules are long narrow circuit boards, held in by
clips at each end - often, when the clips are pushed outwards, they
pivot and push the modules up out of their sockets. They come in various
sorts, dependent on the motherboard - with names like DDR2, DDR3, DDR,
PC100, PC133 ...

Changing actual _chip_ packages on the memory modules isn't something I
would normally consider; it's certainly possible, given the right
equipment, but not easy, and I suspect not cost-effective. (You'd also
have to know which one needed changing.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

No, I haven't changed my mind - I'm perfectly happy with the one I have, thank
you.
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Old September 28th 17, 07:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , KenK
writes:
[]
How difficult is it to replace the memory chips? Remember? I seem to
recall doing it on one of my systems a few years ago but that's all I
recall. Probably depends on the motherboard.


What Memtest86 (and I suspect the other utility that others have
mentioned) tests is the RAM modules, which are one of the more trivial
things to change on a motherboard. You probably know this, but I wasn't
sure, from the above question.

If you don't: the RAM modules are long narrow circuit boards, held in by
clips at each end - often, when the clips are pushed outwards, they
pivot and push the modules up out of their sockets. They come in various
sorts, dependent on the motherboard - with names like DDR2, DDR3, DDR,
PC100, PC133 ...

Changing actual _chip_ packages on the memory modules isn't something I
would normally consider; it's certainly possible, given the right
equipment, but not easy, and I suspect not cost-effective. (You'd also
have to know which one needed changing.)


Yeah, the ejectors on the ends of the DIMM sockets
help them come loose.

When you put them back, you listen for a "click" and you
can sometimes eyeball the socket and see if the gold
contacts are "submerged" so you cannot see them again.
That's an alternative way to tell their "homed'.

The modules are keyed, and only fit one way. The key is on
the contact edge. *All* power must be removed from the
computer, during insertion or removal, and unplugging
is an easy way to de-power it. On an Asus motherboard,
you wait until the green LED goes out, before beginning
work. Other brands don't have the +5VSB green LED indicator.

When the modules are reinserted, the ejectors should be
vertical and the features on the side of the ejector
fit into "dents" in the ends of the modules. If the ejectors
didn't rotate to be flat against the module, it probably
isn't all the way in.

When the edges of the modules used to have a nice bevel
on them, the insertion force was gradual. Now some of the
modules are sorta "blunt" on the edge, and it hurts your
fingers installing them. So if someone asks "how much force
should this take", the answer is "considerable". At one time,
if you were bending the motherboard, I'd tell you to "stop".
Now, I have to say stuff like "use your best judgment",
based on just how hard I've had to push on the boards here.
Just make sure the key lines up, and you're not trying to
bust off the key :-)

On some past motherboards, they shaved down the 9.6"x9.6"
or 12.0"x9.6" dimensions on the motherboard, to save money
on PCB material. Full sizes motherboards might have nine
holes and nine screws to hold them down. If you have a sub-sized
board, three of the holes could go missing, and that edge of the
board is "easily bent". Now, you've got a problem. If you had
a modern DIMM which is hard to insert, coupled with a motherboard
that is not properly supported, you'll need to insert a stick of
wood or similar, to provide strength. You can remove the stick
later if you want. The stick should have the same thickness,
as the motherboard standoffs are in height.

On my Test Machine, when the CPU was installed, the heatsink
is so big, there's no room to get at the DIMM sockets. On
those, I actually had to take a piece of stick 1/2"x1/2" end
dimensions and push down on the DIMM until it clicked. The stick
was maybe 10" long. And that was on the side of the CPU socket,
where my hand wouldn't fit. That's how nutty this stuff gets.
You end up pressing so hard on the stick, it leaves marks in
the end of the wood. Three cheers for good DIMM design, and those
blunted edges. On the storage bay side of the motherboard, my
hand fits easily there. On the I/O plate side of the CPU socket,
I can just barely get my fingers in there, but not enough
to press down on a DIMM.

Paul
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Old September 28th 17, 08:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Paul
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , KenK
writes:
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How difficult is it to replace the memory chips? Remember? I seem to
recall doing it on one of my systems a few years ago but that's all I
recall. Probably depends on the motherboard.


What Memtest86 (and I suspect the other utility that others have
mentioned) tests is the RAM modules, which are one of the more trivial
things to change on a motherboard. You probably know this, but I
wasn't sure, from the above question.
If you don't: the RAM modules are long narrow circuit boards, held
in by clips at each end - often, when the clips are pushed outwards,
they pivot and push the modules up out of their sockets. They come in
various sorts, dependent on the motherboard - with names like DDR2,
DDR3, DDR, PC100, PC133 ...

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Yeah, the ejectors on the ends of the DIMM sockets
help them come loose.

When you put them back, you listen for a "click" and you
can sometimes eyeball the socket and see if the gold
contacts are "submerged" so you cannot see them again.
That's an alternative way to tell their "homed'.

The modules are keyed, and only fit one way. The key is on
the contact edge. *All* power must be removed from the
computer, during insertion or removal, and unplugging
is an easy way to de-power it. On an Asus motherboard,
you wait until the green LED goes out, before beginning
work. Other brands don't have the +5VSB green LED indicator.

When the modules are reinserted, the ejectors should be
vertical and the features on the side of the ejector


That's when the reinsertion is _complete_. To _start_ a reinsertion, the
injectors should of course be opened as wide as they'll go.

fit into "dents" in the ends of the modules. If the ejectors
didn't rotate to be flat against the module, it probably
isn't all the way in.

When the edges of the modules used to have a nice bevel
on them, the insertion force was gradual. Now some of the
modules are sorta "blunt" on the edge, and it hurts your
fingers installing them. So if someone asks "how much force
should this take", the answer is "considerable". At one time,

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I _think_ KenK's board isn't all that modern.
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