Recommended EMail Application

Been using Opera.
I really like having the browser and eMail in one place.
Now Opera newsgroup seems to be disconnected.
Opera has some problems.
Try to indent by putting a few spaces in front of a line of test.
Opera removes them upon sending.
Span deletion does not work. It deletes permanently only in the
Opera window. When I restart, all the spam shows up again.

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to
do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

Seamonkey keeps forgetting my passwords.
It says use Password Manager to remember. What does Password Manager
belong to (part of Seamonkey or what???)? Should I not fix the
Seamonkey eMail account Settings?
I cannot find the password input place in Settings. Other eMailers
have it there. What am I missing?

What is the difference between Seamonkey and Thunderbird?

So what free eMail apps are any good?
Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not mandatory.

OldGuy said on 2/15/2014 10:15 PM:
Been using Opera.
I really like having the browser and eMail in one place.
Now Opera newsgroup seems to be disconnected.
Opera has some problems.
Try to indent by putting a few spaces in front of a line of test.
Opera removes them upon sending.
Span deletion does not work. It deletes permanently only in the Opera
window. When I restart, all the spam shows up again.

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

Seamonkey keeps forgetting my passwords.
It says use Password Manager to remember. What does Password Manager
belong to (part of Seamonkey or what???)? Should I not fix the
Seamonkey eMail account Settings?
I cannot find the password input place in Settings. Other eMailers have
it there. What am I missing?

What is the difference between Seamonkey and Thunderbird?

So what free eMail apps are any good?
Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not mandatory.


Normally in TB (and I guess seamonkey) you set up an account with only
the user name. Then the first time you use it, it asks for the
password and you have to enter it and SHOULD check the box to use
password manager to save it for the next usages. Otherwise you'll
have to keep entering it. I guess if you are paranoid you could skip
over that. If you didn't save it, it will ask the next time you get
mail and you can then opt to save password.

OldGuy wrote:
Been using Opera.
I really like having the browser and eMail in one place.
Now Opera newsgroup seems to be disconnected.
Opera has some problems.
Try to indent by putting a few spaces in front of a line of test.
Opera removes them upon sending.
Span deletion does not work. It deletes permanently only in the Opera
window. When I restart, all the spam shows up again.

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

Seamonkey keeps forgetting my passwords.
It says use Password Manager to remember. What does Password Manager
belong to (part of Seamonkey or what???)? Should I not fix the
Seamonkey eMail account Settings?
I cannot find the password input place in Settings. Other eMailers have
it there. What am I missing?

What is the difference between Seamonkey and Thunderbird?

So what free eMail apps are any good?
Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not mandatory.

I use SeaMonkey. Never had a problem with it.
SM is a combined browser and email/ng application.

OldGuy wrote:
I use SeaMonkey. Never had a problem with it.
SM is a combined browser and email/ng application.

Does SM support add-ons like TBird.
Specifically the one that enhances the eMail disposition rules like
automatically copying eMail attachments for an account to a folder?
Basic TBird could not do that so I installed an add-on to do it.



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OldGuy wrote:
OldGuy wrote:
I use SeaMonkey. Never had a problem with it.
SM is a combined browser and email/ng application.

Does SM support add-ons like TBird.
Specifically the one that enhances the eMail disposition rules like
automatically copying eMail attachments for an account to a folder?
Basic TBird could not do that so I installed an add-on to do it.

SM supports nearly all Mozilla add-ons.
You might want to read the SM NG.
This is the Mozilla server:
news.mozilla.org
Port 119, SSL is not checked.
And the SeaMonkey NG:
mozilla.support.seamonkey

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:15:24 -0800, OldGuy wrote:

So what free eMail apps are any good?

PC-Alpine.

On 2014-02-16, mechanic wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:15:24 -0800, OldGuy wrote:

So what free eMail apps are any good?

PC-Alpine.

Has anything been done to improve its setup for multiple email-ids?

On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:37:55 +0000 (UTC), generic name wrote:

On 2014-02-16, mechanic wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:15:24 -0800, OldGuy wrote:

So what free eMail apps are any good?

PC-Alpine.

Has anything been done to improve its setup for multiple email-ids?

Alpine supports multiple imap accounts, each with user name etc.
Read through the relevant pages on ii.com. like
http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/imap/isps/#table .

Also you could ask on comp.mail.pine

On 2014-02-16, mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:37:55 +0000 (UTC), generic name wrote:

On 2014-02-16, mechanic wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:15:24 -0800, OldGuy wrote:

So what free eMail apps are any good?

PC-Alpine.

Has anything been done to improve its setup for multiple email-ids?

Alpine supports multiple imap accounts, each with user name etc.
Read through the relevant pages on ii.com. like
http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/imap/isps/#table .

Also you could ask on comp.mail.pine

Thanks. I used to use Alpine but with pop3 mail accounts where
I had to do something or other to get the mail into the same(?)
inbox. Don't recall but it was easy with the linux version but the
windows version required some manipulations.

On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote: I tried Thunderbird and it is very
slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me.
Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more
processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less
noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of
its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

BillW50 said on 2/16/2014 7:38 AM:
On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote: I tried Thunderbird and it is very
slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me.
Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more
processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less
noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of
its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot.

That might answer why my Yahoo email account (IMAP) is so slow. I
don't use it thank goodness, it's just a placeholder but....

I don't notice slowdowns in Windows, but I have TB on Linux Mint and I
see one system core spike to 100% now and then and I can sometimes type
5 or 10 words before they show on the screen in compose.

On 2/16/2014 11:11 AM, Big Al wrote:
BillW50 said on 2/16/2014 7:38 AM:
On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote:
I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.

Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me.
Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more
processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less
noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of
its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a
lot.

That might answer why my Yahoo email account (IMAP) is so slow. I
don't use it thank goodness, it's just a placeholder but....

I really like IMAP, since it syncs all of your email on all of your
machines. It syncs read, flagged, delete, move, etc.

I don't notice slowdowns in Windows, but I have TB on Linux Mint and I
see one system core spike to 100% now and then and I can sometimes type
5 or 10 words before they show on the screen in compose.

I don't use it enough under Linux to recall, but depending on the CPU
power, that happens too. Worse it could start dropping other typing as
well. It probably depends on your keyboard buffer. Once it fills and TB
didn't grab it yet, then it starts to drop characters. I normally use
another editor (using copy and paste) so this doesn't happen. I am using
Word right now, but even Notepad works fine for this purpose.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

BillW50 has written on 2/16/2014 7:38 AM:
On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote: I tried Thunderbird and it is very
slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me.
Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more
processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less
noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of
its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot.

What indexes?

I have a Win 7 Ultimate desktop with an Intel i5-2320 CPU at 3.00GHz and
8GB of memory. I have many accounts set up in TB, some POP3, some IMAP,
and I'm one of those who do not see TB locking up the computer.

Sometimes TB and other programs present (Not Responding) in the title
bar but whatever causes that does not prevent me from using other programs.

On 2/16/2014 12:17 PM, Juan Wei wrote:
BillW50 has written on 2/16/2014 7:38 AM:
On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote:
I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.

Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me.
Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more
processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less
noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of
its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot.

What indexes?

I have a Win 7 Ultimate desktop with an Intel i5-2320 CPU at 3.00GHz and
8GB of memory. I have many accounts set up in TB, some POP3, some IMAP,
and I'm one of those who do not see TB locking up the computer.

Sometimes TB and other programs present (Not Responding) in the title
bar but whatever causes that does not prevent me from using other programs.

Nice machine! I wonder how well it compares to my Alienware machines?
And I have 30+ machines here and the more CPU power a machine has, the
less noticeable TB slowness is (those Atom processors is the worst, but
then they only use 3 to 5 watts of power).

I also mostly use the portable versions of TB. As it makes it really
easy to sync between machines. This might have something to do with it.
The only shortcoming I know of is forget importing, since TB portable
doesn't see anything outside it its folder. And one of the tips I read
about TB portable running on a flash drive (I don't, except on some
machines equipped with SSD), said to disable IMAP indexing (to prevent
excessive writing). Since TB is almost constantly updating the IMAP
indexing.

The slowness for the most part I can put up with. As it freezes at least
once a minute I would say. Depending on the processor, it could last for
a split second to 10 seconds or so. And while replying, it could drop
some of the keys. So I copying and paste to another editor and that
works just fine.

I also run Process Lasso on most of my machines. It is kind of a better
Task Manager, but its real benefit is that it drops the priority of
tasks that is eating up a lot of processor power. Which makes the
offending task even much slower. Once the process is less intensive, it
returns the priority back to what it was.

Most of my computer use, nothing normally trips it to switch the
priority of anything. Except flash with a browser and Thunderbird. You
could exclude a given process if you don't want Process Lasso to change
it. So I normally exempt games and media players. Neither would be very
useful to slow them down anyway.

It is also so easy to shutdown Process Lasso completely if you want to.
But even still, Thunderbird is still slow at times. Whether Lasso is
running or not, it is replying that annoys me the most. As I end up with
dropped keys. I suppose I could always type slower. ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP

On 2014-02-16, BillW50 wrote:

SNIP


Nice machine! I wonder how well it compares to my Alienware machines?
And I have 30+ machines here and the more CPU power a machine has, the
less noticeable TB slowness is (those Atom processors is the worst, but
then they only use 3 to 5 watts of power).


SNIP

You should updte your sig...

Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP

...as your sig shows non alienware performers
As alienware is now dell, alienware lost it's umph anyway.
Dell gimps their hardware.

Unless they stopped gimping everything?
Maybe they got better.

Gamers I know build their own.

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