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  #1  
Old September 3rd 18, 07:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
OldGeezer
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Win 7 Pro.

Using Media Center to record TV.

Remote PC on LAN also has Media Center and sees what is on prime PC
that records.

On remote PC I always seem to get two copies listed for each recorderd
TV show.

Window Explorer has on prime recording PC has the following:
Favorites
Public REcorded TV
C:\Documents and Settings\Public\Recorded TV
Recorded TV
C:\Users\Public\Libraries\RecordedTV.library-ms

Is this the cause of doubles ?

They both seem to eventually go to the same folder. (I think ???)

How do I un-double ?
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Old September 4th 18, 02:52 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Bill in Co
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-09-03 14:23, OldGeezer wrote:
Win 7 Pro.

Using Media Center to record TV.

Remote PC on LAN also has Media Center and sees what is on prime PC that
records.

On remote PC I always seem to get two copies listed for each recorderd
TV show.

Window Explorer has on prime recording PC has the following:
Favorites
Public REcorded TV
C:\Documents and Settings\Public\Recorded TV
Recorded TV
C:\Users\Public\Libraries\RecordedTV.library-ms

Is this the cause of doubles ?

They both seem to eventually go to the same folder. (I think ???)


There is only one video file, in only one location. The Library is a
list of pointers (links) to the files in that l library's category.
Makes it unnecessary to create your own data-filing system (ie, folders
and subfolders). NB that many programs put their output there, in
suitably named subfolders.

How do I un-double ?


Un-Favorite one of them, I think will do it. Can't hurt to try, worst
case is to have make it a Favorite again. (I don't do favourites.)

Libraries are a good idea in principle, but IMO MS hasn't done a good
enough job. there are 3rd party programs that do a better job of keeping
track of your files (eg, your pictures). That being said, as long as you
don't have thousands of files in your libraries, they work well enough.

Best,


So would it be accurate to say if you generally know where you keep and
store your files (and programs), and in fact prefer that explicit type of
organization, the use of libraries is a bit superfluous? Or am I the odd
man out? I am guessing that feature was added for those who don't know or
care to know where everything is located on their hard drives, but I don't
know that for a fact.


  #3  
Old September 4th 18, 05:31 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Bill in Co wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-09-03 14:23, OldGeezer wrote:
Win 7 Pro.

Using Media Center to record TV.

Remote PC on LAN also has Media Center and sees what is on prime PC that
records.

On remote PC I always seem to get two copies listed for each recorderd
TV show.

Window Explorer has on prime recording PC has the following:
Favorites
Public REcorded TV
C:\Documents and Settings\Public\Recorded TV
Recorded TV
C:\Users\Public\Libraries\RecordedTV.library-ms

Is this the cause of doubles ?

They both seem to eventually go to the same folder. (I think ???)

There is only one video file, in only one location. The Library is a
list of pointers (links) to the files in that l library's category.
Makes it unnecessary to create your own data-filing system (ie, folders
and subfolders). NB that many programs put their output there, in
suitably named subfolders.

How do I un-double ?

Un-Favorite one of them, I think will do it. Can't hurt to try, worst
case is to have make it a Favorite again. (I don't do favourites.)

Libraries are a good idea in principle, but IMO MS hasn't done a good
enough job. there are 3rd party programs that do a better job of keeping
track of your files (eg, your pictures). That being said, as long as you
don't have thousands of files in your libraries, they work well enough.

Best,


So would it be accurate to say if you generally know where you keep and
store your files (and programs), and in fact prefer that explicit type of
organization, the use of libraries is a bit superfluous? Or am I the odd
man out? I am guessing that feature was added for those who don't know or
care to know where everything is located on their hard drives, but I don't
know that for a fact.


You have to know a lot to use libraries.

I don't consider it a free lunch.

You won't understand a damn thing if you just
try and use them. You won't know where your
files went, and so on.

In this case, the two entries showing up like that
means that the non-library link is actually part
of the Library item. (I think most people reading
this thread, have that suspicion too, so this
isn't exactly a revelation.)

The Library consists of multiple folders in
a list. One of the items is the "Default" item.
If you "toss" a file into the Library, it is
stored in the "Default" item. It's my suspicion
in this case, that not only is the duplicate
item a member of the Library in question, but
it's also the "Default" item.

What happens at this point, is anybodies guess.
I don't want to make a suggestion and break
something, that's for sure.

Shirely this situation has happened before, and
it's already on some Media Center specialists
web page...

*******

I can tell you, to get my tuner card to work
in Win7 Media Center, was a son of a bitch. I had
to roam around the web, looking for an obscure script,
just so the DTV channel lineup for my new tuner
would show up. I was... not amused. I probably
wasted half an evening poking at that thing with
a stick, and it was sheer luck on search terms,
that found the "Canadian" script that people in
Canada have to run. A "US" user doesn't have to
do this. Even if there was a breadcrumb in the
stupid interface, I would have been happy. Instead,
I had to slug it out with the search engine, until
something popped up.

The only thing that could have been worse, is
using MythTV :-)

Paul
  #4  
Old September 4th 18, 07:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
OldGeezer[_2_]
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OK, so the folder is under favorites.

Are these libraries or not ? I was confused and now more so since
Libraries and Favorites seemed to be talked about together.


If I delete a Favorite/Folder does that delete the data in the real folder ?

If there is a Library/folder and I try to delete the Library/Folder does
that delete the data ?

  #5  
Old September 5th 18, 04:26 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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OldGeezer wrote:
OK, so the folder is under favorites.

Are these libraries or not ? I was confused and now more so since
Libraries and Favorites seemed to be talked about together.


If I delete a Favorite/Folder does that delete the data in the real
folder ?

If there is a Library/folder and I try to delete the Library/Folder does
that delete the data ?


You had some information in your first post, with a breadcrumb.

C:\Users\Public\Libraries\RecordedTV.library-ms

That appears as an icon in the folder. If you do Properties
on it, it shows the folder list. Here is mine on Windows 7 Pro x64,
with a tuner card present and Windows Media Center in
the background.

https://s33.postimg.cc/756qznxi7/public_recorded.gif

That Library, appears to be added to Favorites by Media Center.
At a guess.

*******

One barrier I ran into, is C:\Documents and Settings, which
was Access Denied or similar rubbish.

I have a copy of Sysinternals.com "Junction" and the
junction64.exe program.

junction64.exe "C:\Documents and Settings"

and it tells me that is the same thing as "C:\Users".

So that solved the mystery of where that one leads.
I could then move to C:\Users\Public and continue
my journey.

*******

The top one in your original post, looks non-standard.

Favorites
Public REcorded TV
C:\Documents and Settings\Public\Recorded TV
Recorded TV
C:\Users\Public\Libraries\RecordedTV.library-ms

My Favorites has
Desktop
Downloads
Recent Places
Recorded TV (that library)

My Favorites has no Public REcorded TV. It looks like you may
have added that manually.

If you use this article:

https://superuser.com/questions/3767...r-in-windows-7

cd /d %userprofile%/Links

dir

shortcut...
shortcut...
shortcut...
Public REcorded TV === It'll be a shortcut here, and turf-able

The Links folder appears to be part of the Side Bar
in Explorer. And that's where that annoying thing is
stored.

Is this stuff fun, or... what??? :-)

I didn't think that OS was all set up for this,
but it was, so I could take a look now. I thought
I trashed this setup months ago, but it's still there.

HTH,
Paul
  #6  
Old September 25th 18, 09:58 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 19:52:34 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-09-03 14:23, OldGeezer wrote:
Win 7 Pro.

Using Media Center to record TV.

Remote PC on LAN also has Media Center and sees what is on prime PC that
records.

On remote PC I always seem to get two copies listed for each recorderd
TV show.

Window Explorer has on prime recording PC has the following:
Favorites
Public REcorded TV
C:\Documents and Settings\Public\Recorded TV
Recorded TV
C:\Users\Public\Libraries\RecordedTV.library-ms

Is this the cause of doubles ?

They both seem to eventually go to the same folder. (I think ???)


There is only one video file, in only one location. The Library is a
list of pointers (links) to the files in that l library's category.
Makes it unnecessary to create your own data-filing system (ie, folders
and subfolders). NB that many programs put their output there, in
suitably named subfolders.

How do I un-double ?


Un-Favorite one of them, I think will do it. Can't hurt to try, worst
case is to have make it a Favorite again. (I don't do favourites.)

Libraries are a good idea in principle, but IMO MS hasn't done a good
enough job. there are 3rd party programs that do a better job of keeping
track of your files (eg, your pictures). That being said, as long as you
don't have thousands of files in your libraries, they work well enough.

Best,


So would it be accurate to say if you generally know where you keep and
store your files (and programs), and in fact prefer that explicit type of
organization, the use of libraries is a bit superfluous? Or am I the odd
man out? I am guessing that feature was added for those who don't know or
care to know where everything is located on their hard drives, but I don't
know that for a fact.


IMHO, the main benefit to using Libraries is that they allow you to see
a merged view of multiple folders while being able to designate one of
those folders as the default save location.

You sometimes hear of people who want to move their profile folders to a
data drive. With Libraries, you can achieve that effect without actually
doing it, which seems to help Windows retain a semblance of sanity. Just
create your folder hierarchy on your data drive, then create a set of
Library folders that each includes the original profile folder from the
Windows volume as well as the corresponding folder on the data drive.
Make the folder on the data drive the default save location. Lastly,
make it a habit to access the folders via their respective Library
references (the direct references still exist and remain unchanged).

I've been using Libraries in that way for quite a few years now, going
all the way back to when Win 7 came out and people were deathly afraid
of them and asked how to remove all references to Libraries from Win
Explorer.

For me, Libraries have nothing to do with not knowing where files have
been stored. I'd say it's just the opposite.

--

Char Jackson
  #7  
Old September 26th 18, 05:08 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Bill in Co
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 19:52:34 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-09-03 14:23, OldGeezer wrote:
Win 7 Pro.

Using Media Center to record TV.

Remote PC on LAN also has Media Center and sees what is on prime PC
that records.

On remote PC I always seem to get two copies listed for each recorderd
TV show.

Window Explorer has on prime recording PC has the following:
Favorites
Public REcorded TV
C:\Documents and Settings\Public\Recorded TV
Recorded TV
C:\Users\Public\Libraries\RecordedTV.library-ms

Is this the cause of doubles ?

They both seem to eventually go to the same folder. (I think ???)

There is only one video file, in only one location. The Library is a
list of pointers (links) to the files in that l library's category.
Makes it unnecessary to create your own data-filing system (ie, folders
and subfolders). NB that many programs put their output there, in
suitably named subfolders.

How do I un-double ?

Un-Favorite one of them, I think will do it. Can't hurt to try, worst
case is to have make it a Favorite again. (I don't do favourites.)

Libraries are a good idea in principle, but IMO MS hasn't done a good
enough job. there are 3rd party programs that do a better job of keeping
track of your files (eg, your pictures). That being said, as long as you
don't have thousands of files in your libraries, they work well enough.

Best,


So would it be accurate to say if you generally know where you keep and
store your files (and programs), and in fact prefer that explicit type of
organization, the use of libraries is a bit superfluous? Or am I the
odd man out? I am guessing that feature was added for those who don't
know or care to know where everything is located on their hard drives,
but I don't know that for a fact.


IMHO, the main benefit to using Libraries is that they allow you to see
a merged view of multiple folders while being able to designate one of
those folders as the default save location.

You sometimes hear of people who want to move their profile folders to a
data drive. With Libraries, you can achieve that effect without actually
doing it, which seems to help Windows retain a semblance of sanity. Just
create your folder hierarchy on your data drive, then create a set of
Library folders that each includes the original profile folder from the
Windows volume as well as the corresponding folder on the data drive.
Make the folder on the data drive the default save location. Lastly,
make it a habit to access the folders via their respective Library
references (the direct references still exist and remain unchanged).

I've been using Libraries in that way for quite a few years now, going
all the way back to when Win 7 came out and people were deathly afraid
of them and asked how to remove all references to Libraries from Win
Explorer.

For me, Libraries have nothing to do with not knowing where files have
been stored. I'd say it's just the opposite.


I don't really get this, but I guess that's just me (and that includes the
merged view of multiple folders you referenced above, which I don't really
understand). To wit:

The only use I've ever had for so-called "profiles" is when I copy the
Firefox or Chrome "profiles" over to another computer to set it up to match
what I already had on the original computer. That's the extent of my
dealing with "profiles", as far as I know. But in that sense, I can
understand the convenience of having those profiles being copied, and maybe
that's an example that is illustrating your point, since those "profiles"
contain all the linked information necessary to configure Firefox and Chrome
to our preferences.

But all of my personal stuff is located in very specific directories, and if
I need to copy them to another computer (or for backup), I simply copy the
appropriate directory of files. There are NO *virtual* references of
anything (at least that I can see here), and I guess I still don't see the
advantages of using such. But then again, I only use the D or E or F
partitions for data storage, and not programs or any windows related stuff.
ALL of that stuff is on the main C: partition.


 




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