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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8
Even Vista did better. Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out. Win 98 good Win Me bad XP good Vista bad 7 good 8 bad 9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end. -- Alias |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
Alias wrote:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8 Even Vista did better. Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out. Win 98 good Win Me bad XP good Vista bad 7 good 8 bad 9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end. That'd open the flood-gates. Just imagine if you took Windows out of the market. What would happen? My answer; You'd get lots and lots of people taking up the Win skeleton and tailoring it. The market would become overflowing with competing versions of it; a bit like we have with gas and electricity suppliers, who scramble their tariffs in order to befuddle the punters, tell outright lies and rule; until eventually the gov would have to step in and bring them to order. At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt about it. But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially office work; and those number millions. If MS can split Win into two; one for PCs, one for tablets, then they'll get back on track. Ed |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On 7/27/2014 6:32 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt about it. But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially office work; and those number millions. While I have used tablets since around 2000, I knew virtually nothing about Windows tablets. So I decided that I had to start learning. My first one back in 2012 was a Windows 7 tablet. There wasn't many Windows 8 tablets yet, so I bought two of them. One I installed Windows 8. Both were a great crash course to Windows 7 and 8 tablets. But I needed more knowledge about Windows tablets. So I purchased Windows 3.1 and Windows XP tablets too. So I could see where it got started and see where it is going. And I can tell you there is no difference between a Windows tablet and a Windows desktop. Applications are the same, the Windows kernel is the same, keyboards are the same, mice, external monitors, etc. are all of the same. If MS can split Win into two; one for PCs, one for tablets, then they'll get back on track. If a Windows desktop and a Windows tablet is the same, why divide them up? That is what Apple has done and the two are not compatible with each other. As the OS is different, applications are different, etc. I see no reason whatsoever to divide them up. Look at Linux, it is divided up into over 300 distros. That doesn't help Linux whatsoever. No developer wants to support 300+ distros, let alone two different Windows versions. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On 7/27/2014 8:27 AM, Andrew Rossmann wrote:
In article , lid says... http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8 Even Vista did better. Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out. Win 98 good Win Me bad XP good Vista bad 7 good 8 bad 9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end. You forgot NT4 and Win2K. I believe Windows 8 was a marketing failure not a failure of the basic operating system. MS concentrated on the tablet interface, and hid the fact that there was the desktop interface. In the desktop interface Windows 8.1 is as good as any thing that MS has released in the past, including Windows 7 and XP. With each new form of the computer, people have pronounced the old form dead. It happened with the growth of the laptop people said the desktop was dead, etc. If people stop playing games on their touch pad and actually work with productivity software, they will find the touch pad does not cut it. Best example is a multicolumn spread sheet on an touch pad, verse the same spread sheet on a computer with a 15 or 17 inch monitor. Analyze your bank account, on a touch pad verse on a monitor. Any time you want to review a lot of data the touch pad fails as you can not see all of the data to see the interactions in that data. Compare typing a letter or other large document on a touch pad vs on a monitor. edit that document on a touch pad vs a monitor. Each has it use, and both will be with us for a long time. |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
Alias wrote:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8 Even Vista did better. Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out. Win 98 good Win Me bad XP good Vista bad 7 good 8 bad 9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end. There's nothing wrong with windows 8. Here's the thing i bet it is only old people who are complaining about win8. IE those who where around in the time of win 95. And those old people are on the way out, so windows does not care about the old only the young? As they are the ones who are going to be using it. And they are the ones who have growen up with mobile phones. No one like change! Querstion how old are you? Another question what can win7 do that win8 can not please provide a list. of say ten points or more if you wish. |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On 27/07/2014 09:41, Alias wrote:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8 Even Vista did better. Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out. Win 98 good Win Me bad XP good Vista bad 7 good 8 bad 9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end. I had less problems with Windows ME than I did with Windows 98. -- Brian Gregory (in the UK). To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address. |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:32:24 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote: If MS can split Win into two; one for PCs, one for tablets, then they'll get back on track. They're nearly the same so why try to split them? What MS should be doing is making them even more alike. Steve -- Neural Network Software http://www.npsnn.com EasyNN-plus More than just a neural network http://www.easynn.com SwingNN Prediction software http://www.swingnn.com JustNN Just a neural network http://www.justnn.com |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:04:35 +0100, Darklight
wrote: And those old people are on the way out, so windows does not care about the old only the young? You forgot where the money comes from. The young around here get most of their money from "old" people like me! Steve -- Neural Network Software http://www.npsnn.com EasyNN-plus More than just a neural network http://www.easynn.com SwingNN Prediction software http://www.swingnn.com JustNN Just a neural network http://www.justnn.com |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On 7/27/2014 7:54 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
If people stop playing games on their touch pad and actually work with productivity software, they will find the touch pad does not cut it. Best example is a multicolumn spread sheet on an touch pad, verse the same spread sheet on a computer with a 15 or 17 inch monitor. Analyze your bank account, on a touch pad verse on a monitor. Any time you want to review a lot of data the touch pad fails as you can not see all of the data to see the interactions in that data. Compare typing a letter or other large document on a touch pad vs on a monitor. edit that document on a touch pad vs a monitor. Each has it use, and both will be with us for a long time. You are mistaken about a tablet just doesn't cut it. This is a tablet and it does everything that my laptops does. And my laptops does the same as desktops does. This tablet resolution is 1440x1080 with a 12.1 inch screen. That is a lot of resolution on a smaller screen. And just like a desktop, I can plug in a external monitor too. There are no difference between Windows tablets and Windows desktops, unless you buy one of those toy tablets. But you can buy a toy desktop too. -- Bill Motion Computing LE1700 Tablet ('09 era) - Thunderbird v24.4.0 Centrino Core2 Duo L7400 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Professional |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:54:42 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote: I believe Windows 8 was a marketing failure not a failure of the basic operating system. MS concentrated on the tablet interface, and hid the fact that there was the desktop interface. In the desktop interface Windows 8.1 is as good as any thing that MS has released in the past, including Windows 7 and XP. Even once you've found the desktop interface, as supplied it lacks a start button with the functionality to which 500 million Windows users are already accustomed. And guess what - the commonest complaint about Windows 8 seems to be the lack of a start button. you are entitled to your opinion of course, but it doesn't seem to be shared by many. Rod. |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On 7/27/2014 8:48 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:54:42 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: I believe Windows 8 was a marketing failure not a failure of the basic operating system. MS concentrated on the tablet interface, and hid the fact that there was the desktop interface. In the desktop interface Windows 8.1 is as good as any thing that MS has released in the past, including Windows 7 and XP. Even once you've found the desktop interface, as supplied it lacks a start button with the functionality to which 500 million Windows users are already accustomed. And guess what - the commonest complaint about Windows 8 seems to be the lack of a start button. you are entitled to your opinion of course, but it doesn't seem to be shared by many. Geez... why do people claim that Windows 8 has no Start button? That isn't true at all! It is still there, but they moved it to the Charms bar. The same place you will find the Control Panel, Shut Down, Search, etc. It isn't any big deal people. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:54:42 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote: I believe Windows 8 was a marketing failure not a failure of the basic operating system. MS concentrated on the tablet interface, and hid the fact that there was the desktop interface. In the desktop interface Windows 8.1 is as good as any thing that MS has released in the past, including Windows 7 and XP. Double-ditto! The only significant lack in its desktop interface is the start orb and its features, but that can be easily restored with a free or very inexpensive third-party program. |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:04:35 +0100, Darklight
wrote: There's nothing wrong with windows 8. Here's the thing i bet it is only old people who are complaining about win8. IE those who where around in the time of win 95. And those old people are on the way out, so windows does not care about the old only the young? As they are the ones who are going to be using it. And they are the ones who have growen up with mobile phones. No one like change! Querstion how old are you? I'm the oldest person in my family, but I seem to be the only one that knows how to do anything with a computer other than web browsing. I've also worked in Technical Support for an internet service where I was advising people who were mostly younger than me. Don't assume that old people are stupid; old people are the ones with most experience. Often when young people are excited by some gimmick that they think is new, we're the ones who have seen it all before. Another question what can win7 do that win8 can not please provide a list. of say ten points or more if you wish. There's probably nothing Windows 8 can't do that older systems could do, provided you're prepared to re-learn how to use a computer to work out how to do it. However, its default way of doing things is very counterintuitive to those who are accustomed to things that most previous operating systems all had, most Linux distros included. Those would include visible buttons to click, rather than just knowing that you had to swipe the mouse off a particular edge or corner with nothing to indicate that you're supposed to do this. I don't think I'm too old to learn new stuff, but why should I have to, just to do what I could do before? Computers are supposed to serve our needs, not the other way around. Rod. |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:04:35 +0100, Darklight wrote:
Alias wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9249971/ Microsoft_wants_you_to_forget_Windows_8 Even Vista did better. Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out. Win 98 good Win Me bad XP good Vista bad 7 good 8 bad 9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end. There's nothing wrong with windows 8. Here's the thing i bet it is only old people who are complaining about win8. IE those who where around in the time of win 95. And those old people are on the way out, so windows does not care about the old only the young? As they are the ones who are going to be using it. And they are the ones who have growen up with mobile phones. No one like change! Querstion how old are you? Another question what can win7 do that win8 can not please provide a list. of say ten points or more if you wish. Shouldn't the question be what does windows 8 do that windows 7 doesn't. But I'm an old guy so what do I know. |
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