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  #46  
Old December 10th 17, 09:03 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:42:58 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/9/17 7:05 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:04:32 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/8/17 11:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 16:10:05 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/7/17 3:16 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On another quest to find a replacement for the default Windows Explorer.

What I'm looking for would actually replace Windows Explorer, much like
Classic Shell replaces the Start Menu. Meaning, when I right click on
the Start Button, and select Explore, the replacement is used, not the
Explorer from MS.

Does anyone know of one?


I'm getting bleary-eyed from trying different file manager programs.

So far, none have met the desire to have it run instead of the MS
version when you go Startright clickExplore. That's a main wish at my
end, followed by the hierarchical structure lines.

I didn't see anyone mention it yet, but I assume you know that Windows
Explorer can display those lines that you're talking about. I like'em
too, so I have the lines enabled here.

NO!!! I did *NOT* know this!! I've been trying to find out how to do
it for years. Even asked in this newsgroup long, long ago. (But, not
in a galaxy far, far, away! LOL)

How did you enable the lines? Something along the lines of what
Mayayana suggested?


I'm using Classic Shell 4.3.0, in case the version matters.

1. In its settings, select the tab labeled Navigation Pane.

2. In the first section, Navigation Pane Style, hover your mouse over
the first item, Windows XP Classic.

3. The balloon tip should read "The navigation pane has lines connecting
the folders". (While you're there, hover over the other two options to
see what they offer.)

4. If that sounds interesting, select that option. Click OK.

5. Open a new instance of Windows Explorer and the various folders
should have vertical lines connecting them.


The current version of Classic Shell is 4.3.1, and that's what I installed.

It took actually reading the help file and some Googling to figure out
where you were trying to send me, but I got it!

I have been wanting that for years!!!

Thanks a bunch.


Excellent!

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  #47  
Old December 10th 17, 09:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 12/9/2017 7:46 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/9/17 8:01 PM, Mike S wrote:
On 12/9/2017 6:05 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:04:32 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/8/17 11:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 16:10:05 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/7/17 3:16 PM, Ken Springer wrote:


snip

Classic Shell rocks, I've had older friends buy windows 10 machines and
they were completely lost looking at the tabs and wondering how to get
to their programs, control panel, etc. Classic Shell made them feel like
they had regained control of their computer again.


My W10 system has Classic Shell in my admin account, but in the 2nd
account, it's turned off.Â* I use that account for screenshots of an
unadulterated system.

OT I just installed QtTAbBar and it rocks. It puts tabs on the Windows
File Explorer, right click on a folder and a new tab opens up exploring
that folder, right click on a tab and it closes. And tons of options.
Really cool freeware.
Â*Â* http://m.majorgeeks.com/files/details/qttabbar.html


Does the install of that tab bar affect all accounts, or can you install
for a specific account?

I haven't been able to check out the two links you posted for the newer
systems, but I do have them open in tabs in Firefox.


I looked through their manual here, didn't see anything about installing
for individual or all users.
http://qttabbar.wdfiles.com/local--f...s/summary.html



  #48  
Old December 10th 17, 12:14 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 12/10/17 1:01 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 05:07:13 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Ken Springer
writes:
On 12/9/17 7:47 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer
writes:
On 12/9/17 2:24 PM, Mayayana wrote:


snip

I've never understood why MS removed the lines (substituting those tiny
triangles) in the first place.


One of life's mysteries, I guess. Maybe the triangles look new, modern,
fresh, exciting, and more than anything else, *different* from what came
before, helping MS differentiate the new from the old.


Change for change sake.

What they end up doing over all is, remove the items that made sense to
the user, and the system easier to use and understand.

I used to agree with the people that said the Mac was easier to learn.
But over the years, Apple has made that more difficult, IMO. Based only
on the UI, my opinion is W10 is now easier. I'm not saying it's easier,
just easier than Macs.

I hate and detest the current Mac UI.

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  #49  
Old December 10th 17, 02:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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| The lines are apparently all Classic Shell, as when I removed Classic
| Shell, the lines also disappeared.
|
| So, Classic Shell remains, and I'm a happy camper.
|

What if you just remove the program without
uninstalling? Sometimes programs like that will
undo what they did with uninstall, either to be
considerate or to stop freeloaders. (CS may
cost for business customers.)


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Old December 10th 17, 05:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 12/10/17 6:54 AM, Mayayana wrote:
| The lines are apparently all Classic Shell, as when I removed Classic
| Shell, the lines also disappeared.
|
| So, Classic Shell remains, and I'm a happy camper.
|

What if you just remove the program without
uninstalling? Sometimes programs like that will
undo what they did with uninstall, either to be
considerate or to stop freeloaders. (CS may
cost for business customers.)


What do you mean by "remove"?


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  #51  
Old December 10th 17, 05:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Ken Springer" wrote

| What if you just remove the program without
| uninstalling? Sometimes programs like that will
| undo what they did with uninstall, either to be
| considerate or to stop freeloaders. (CS may
| cost for business customers.)
|
| What do you mean by "remove"?
|

I meant take out the program files and see if it
still works. But now I see it might be more complicated
than that. It turns out the author has decided to
quit and has released the cource code. I just started
looking at it, but so far it seems that the program
includes an Explorer Bar (left-side or top panel in
folder windows) and a BHO to load it. In other
words, CS is actually modifying Explorer with it's own
components, not just changing Registry settings. So
the customizable treeview could be a Registry setting
or it could be part of the CS Explorer Bar.

I think I'll look over the code. There could be some fun
Registry settings in there. But it may be purely shell
extensions that modify Explorer directly.


  #52  
Old December 10th 17, 06:26 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 12/10/17 9:34 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Springer" wrote

| What if you just remove the program without
| uninstalling? Sometimes programs like that will
| undo what they did with uninstall, either to be
| considerate or to stop freeloaders. (CS may
| cost for business customers.)
|
| What do you mean by "remove"?
|

I meant take out the program files and see if it
still works. But now I see it might be more complicated
than that. It turns out the author has decided to
quit and has released the cource code.


:-( Another program to give us options to what MS wants bites the dust.
Hopefully, someone will actually take it over and continue.

I just started
looking at it, but so far it seems that the program
includes an Explorer Bar (left-side or top panel in
folder windows) and a BHO to load it. In other
words, CS is actually modifying Explorer with it's own
components, not just changing Registry settings. So
the customizable treeview could be a Registry setting
or it could be part of the CS Explorer Bar.

I think I'll look over the code. There could be some fun
Registry settings in there. But it may be purely shell
extensions that modify Explorer directly.




--
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Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit)
Thunderbird 52.0
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and it's gone!"
  #53  
Old December 10th 17, 08:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Ken Springer" wrote

| :-( Another program to give us options to what MS wants bites the dust.
| Hopefully, someone will actually take it over and continue.
|

Probably not a problem for Vista/7/8. MS may break it
in Win10 with their endless updates, but a shell extension
is pretty much a standard thing.

The good news is I found how it's doing those treeviews.
The bad news is it's not in the Registry:

https://sourceforge.net/p/classicshe...read/08570be8/

The long and the short: Each item in a window, like
a button, textbox, treeview, etc, is usually also a
window. They're standard items provided by Windows.
In this case it's called a SysTreeView32. Windows
like that have options related to how they should be
created. There are style options, like border or no border.
Some of those styles can be set after the fact. Some
must be set when the window is created. By showing
it's own window via Explorer Bar, Classic Shell either
creates its own treeview in its own Folders Bar, or
hooks into the Windows instance. Either way, it's
controlling the style setting for the treeview. So the
old style options are still there, but they require
programmatically setting the window style.

Long story short: Classic Shell should work fine
for the forseeable future but you shouldn't remove it.

I installed CS recently for a Win8 computer I was
repairing. I didn't look into the details very much but
I liked the basic function: Start Menu back to normal
and Metro giant dancing buttons well out of sight.

One possible problem for you, though, is that the
system treeview is going to be different in different
windows. CS will tweak it in Explorer , but other programs
are creating their own and the only way to fix that, if
it's even possible, would be to write a program that
hunts down SysTreeView32 windows whenever a
new program starts and changes their style.

Windows *could* do that with a Registry setting
for "classic view", but I haven't found any evidence
that they've provided such an option.


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Old December 11th 17, 12:17 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 12/10/17 12:20 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Springer" wrote

| :-( Another program to give us options to what MS wants bites the dust.
| Hopefully, someone will actually take it over and continue.
|

Probably not a problem for Vista/7/8. MS may break it
in Win10 with their endless updates, but a shell extension
is pretty much a standard thing.


I had it installed in 8.1 & 10 for the account I normally use, and
turned off for the other account. So far, I've noticed no problems in
10, but rarely use 8.

Minor downside of the install in 7, I had a number of programs pinned to
the Start Menu. They all disappeared. I'll have to sort through the
myriad of settings and see if that's an option in CS.


snip


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Old December 11th 17, 04:24 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , Char Jackson
writes:
[]
The other half of what I meant was that, regardless of how you get
there, the stock Windows Explorer could show the vertical lines. In that
respect, I was pointing out that you don't need a whole new file manager
to get that feature.


That's what I'd picked up on. But it seems from a later post that it's
not going to be practical to just change a setting somewhere to get it
)-: - in effect, for most of us anyway, the only way to get it _is_ to
load Classic Shell. (Which I've no objection to doing, but it'd have
been nice if a simple tweak would have done it.)


I've never understood why MS removed the lines (substituting those tiny
triangles) in the first place.


One of life's mysteries, I guess. Maybe the triangles look new, modern,
fresh, exciting, and more than anything else, *different* from what came
before, helping MS differentiate the new from the old.

Yes, probably "modern" being the biggest factor, with acres of empty
space rather than the lines. (It doesn't actually _save_ any space, as
the indenting is still present.) It's like the modern fashion for lots
of emptiness in the home - which is fine for show, but makes it not very
practical to actually _do_ anything.
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  #56  
Old December 11th 17, 10:04 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 03:24:26 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
[]
The other half of what I meant was that, regardless of how you get
there, the stock Windows Explorer could show the vertical lines. In that
respect, I was pointing out that you don't need a whole new file manager
to get that feature.


That's what I'd picked up on. But it seems from a later post that it's
not going to be practical to just change a setting somewhere to get it
)-: - in effect, for most of us anyway, the only way to get it _is_ to
load Classic Shell. (Which I've no objection to doing, but it'd have
been nice if a simple tweak would have done it.)


Agreed, it doesn't appear to simply be changing an existing Registry
key. Instead, it seems to store info in the following key, but it's more
a case of Classic Shell just storing its own settings.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\IvoSoft\ClassicExplorer \Settings\TreeStyle

If you went to a clean system and created that Registry key with
whatever value you wanted, you'd still need Classic Shell to be
installed before you'd get anywhere.

--

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Old December 11th 17, 03:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| Yes, probably "modern" being the biggest factor, with acres of empty
| space rather than the lines. (It doesn't actually _save_ any space, as
| the indenting is still present.)

Maybe it's just that people have got used to the
treeview, so the lines were deemed unnecessary.
I mostly use XP and don't use the folder treeview
panel. I tend to be very organized, so I don't
hunt for things. But when I do use the treeview
I don't see any lines. Just the little + squares. And
I don't see any winfile.exe anywhere. So I don't
know where Ken is getting his File Manager.

| It's like the modern fashion for lots
| of emptiness in the home - which is fine for show, but makes it not very
| practical to actually _do_ anything.

That's an interesting point. I suppose it can
be an expression of ascetic taste. But I'm inclined
to think it's mostly an expression of materialistic/
nihilistic world view. We live in a culture wed to
a belief in naive concretism: The world is exactly
what it seems on the surface. Nothing more and
nothing less. Aesthetics and spiritual values are
relegated to decorative roles, at best. Modern
art, to a great extent, is dedicated to breaking
any lingering expectation of meaning in human
expression. The only option for meaning is Nihilism,
as a stage more sophisticated than mere belief,
which self-consciously clings to the multi-paradigmatic
aesthetic of transcending aesthetic: It's all bull****,
but at least we know that, so we're above it;
transcendent.

So how do people express their personal passions
and attachments? In their homes they only put
items necessary in practical terms. But there can be
symbolism in terms of things like showing off one's
success and sophistication with expensive items,
provided that those are presented as merely
practical: Keurig coffee makers for the up-and-coming
hoi polloi who think cinnamon flavored coffee is
clever (and who don't have the sense to reject the
idea of throwing away one plastic cup into a landfill
for every cup of coffee they drink). Stainless steel
Braun appliances for the minimalist upper-middle
class denizens who've arrived... somewhere or other.
("And the walls, sir? Shall we paint very white or
normal white? We could also go retro with a slightly
warm white. A humorous touch.")

I notice that a lot of those people even
buy art. But what is art in a nihilistic worldview?
Just another appliance. They buy non-evocative
abstracts. It's almost like a frame with a label that
says, "Official art painting - what were you
expecting, you hayseed?".
Even the art is only practical, a la Charlie the
Tuna who tried to impress Starkist with his good
taste in TV ads by wearing a beret and carrying
an artist's tripod.

At the other extreme, the sociologist/semioticist
Dean MacCannell, in his fascinating theorizing about
social symbolism, noted that houses in Nazi Germany
at the end of WW2 were often stuffed with kitsch.
Which makes an interesting point: Kitsch symbolizes
that one partakes of the lowest common denominator.
Having cliche plaques in one's kitchen (Good bread,
good meat, good God, Let's eat) tells people, "Don't
worry about me. I'm completely normal and predictable.
I don't have an iconoclastic bone in my body. I don't
even take my own religion too seriously."

It makes sense that people under Nazi rule would
have felt a need to express hyper-normalcy. But what's
normalcy in the modern world of scientific materialism
where we've washed away belief systems? Nihilism.
And a tasteful dash of Postmodernly superficial
appreciation of "authenticity" -- historical relics from
one's ancestors, fertility statues from the South
Pacific, etc.

In a way one can see the same progression in the
Windows UI. First there was the UI as progress in
itself. Then there was prettification and even
some commercialization of the UI. (Active Desktop.)
XP brought Fischer Price garrishness. Vista/7 brought
slick techno-pizzazz with semi-transparent windows
and pseudo-3D, which looked impressive even though
they served no purpose. Metro brought return to
minimalism. Nothing left to achieve. The sophisticated
aesthetic of people who can't decide between normal
white and slightly warm white.

Meanwhile, Apple have always tried to serve the Braun
crowd who pay $500 for a toaster and like to decorate
their glass coffee table with a miniarture Zen sand
garden. Steve Jobs had a knack for the "just so" flair in
an otherwise blank landscape. Nihilism as meaning in
itself. For anyone sophisticated enough to reject their
mother's tacky kitchen plaques, Jobsian aesthetic looks
like a worthy self-development goal.


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Old December 11th 17, 04:00 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 11/12/2017 14:29:02, Mayayana wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

Yes, probably "modern" being the biggest factor, with acres of empty
space rather than the lines. (It doesn't actually _save_ any space, as
the indenting is still present.)


Maybe it's just that people have got used to the
treeview, so the lines were deemed unnecessary.
I mostly use XP and don't use the folder treeview
panel. I tend to be very organized, so I don't
hunt for things. But when I do use the treeview
I don't see any lines. Just the little + squares. And
I don't see any winfile.exe anywhere. So I don't
know where Ken is getting his File Manager.


Well I count myself as being very organised but I have never been able
to get on without those threading lines especially when going many
folders deep in the path.
Using Dopus since early nineties with these lines and for the last few
years the line is now highlighted for the path taken which is even
better from a visual point of view.

My newsreader has those lines too and it makes it sooo much easier to
follow deep into a thread that maybe more than a page in length or
width.

--
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Old December 11th 17, 10:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 12/11/17 7:29 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| Yes, probably "modern" being the biggest factor, with acres of empty
| space rather than the lines. (It doesn't actually _save_ any space, as
| the indenting is still present.)

Maybe it's just that people have got used to the
treeview, so the lines were deemed unnecessary.
I mostly use XP and don't use the folder treeview
panel. I tend to be very organized, so I don't
hunt for things. But when I do use the treeview
I don't see any lines. Just the little + squares. And
I don't see any winfile.exe anywhere. So I don't
know where Ken is getting his File Manager.


If MS deemed the lines unnecessary at some point, they must have
determined were are all now GMO's and just know this. A patently false
assumption, IMO.

I tend to organized my stuff, and I prefer to be able to see that
organization via Treeview. In fact, in XP I've forgotten how to switch
from the Treeview.

I wonder if possibly MS dropped the lines over the years. Plenty of
shots on Google Images with the Treeview.

http://www.daleisphere.com/wp-conten...lders-view.jpg

I just looked at my XP, which is Pro, and you're right, no lines. I
wonder if there could have been a difference for the Home version,
Wouldn't make much sense to do that to me.

snip

Meanwhile, Apple have always tried to serve the Braun
crowd who pay $500 for a toaster and like to decorate
their glass coffee table with a miniarture Zen sand
garden. Steve Jobs had a knack for the "just so" flair in
an otherwise blank landscape. Nihilism as meaning in
itself. For anyone sophisticated enough to reject their
mother's tacky kitchen plaques, Jobsian aesthetic looks
like a worthy self-development goal.


I'm certainly not one of those, I don't even own a complete set of
dishes!! LOL

The quality of the components installed has to make a difference in the
cost, but I've never seen any definitive answer to that question.

I do know this, when I worked part time in a pc repair shop, lots of
hard drive replacements of windows systems, almost none for Macs.

Online, you'll find sites that say the life of an average HD (whatever
average means), is 3-5 years. In this Mac, which has been my primary
computer since I bought it in 2009, the drive lasted 8.5 years. If all
HD's are the same in this area, why are some drives built "differently"
for heavy use?

Years ago, I saw a number of threads arguing about the cost of a PC vs.
a Mac. Every once in a while, someone would post an actual comparison,
if you built one of each from scratch. When the PC was equipped with
the same peripherals, or as close as possible to being equivalent,
invariably the PC was just a couple hundred dollars cheaper, not 1/4,
1/3, or 1/2 the price.

I'll tell you what sold me on this Mac. It was the display. I had
never seen a PC monitor with the quality of the visual display of this
Mac. And, this is *before* the Retina screens.

It is now dieing, hardware issues. I do not want to go back to a PC.
This thing just works.

I'll give you an example...

I've spent 2.5 months working with an individual on
social.technet.******* to get my PC's to network to El Capitan, the
version of OS I'm running. After 2 months, we finally had 8.1 and 10
networked. We never got 7 to work as desired, but at least we got it to
where I could map the Mac shares to 7. But, it means I can't print to
my USB printers attached to the Mac. We never got Vista Ultimate and XP
Pro to connect.

Know how long it took me to get the Mac to connect to my Windows
computers? Maybe 30 minutes, and that includes tracking down the
instructions from Apple. After following the Apple instructions, the
Mac connects to XP. Vista, 7 Starter and ultimate, 8.1, and 10.

I've been playing with Linux Mint. I want to network it too. I figure
this will take a bit of fiddling, but to what extent I don't know yet.
Right now, it doesn't even see the Windows computers. Neither did
Windows see the Mac at first. But, to my surprise, the Mac was there.
When I tried to login, I entered my Mac username and password, and all
my shared folders were available. And, I can print!

I will concede, it's probably because of the similarity of the operating
systems. :-)


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Old December 11th 17, 11:59 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:09:28 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

I tend to organized my stuff, and I prefer to be able to see that
organization via Treeview. In fact, in XP I've forgotten how to switch
from the Treeview.

I wonder if possibly MS dropped the lines over the years. Plenty of
shots on Google Images with the Treeview.

I just looked at my XP, which is Pro, and you're right, no lines. I
wonder if there could have been a difference for the Home version,
Wouldn't make much sense to do that to me.


I fired up an XP VM and the option to display the lines or not can be
found by opening a Windows Explorer window, then go to Tools, Folder
Options, select the View tab, then UNcheck the option called "Display
simple folder view in Explorer's Folders list". It's the third option
from the top.

In my XP Pro VM, that option was checked by default, so no lines were
displayed. After unchecking that option and opening a new Win Explorer,
the lines were displayed.

I'll tell you what sold me on this Mac. snip

I'll give you an example...

I've spent 2.5 months working with an individual on
social.technet.******* to get my PC's to network to El Capitan, the
version of OS I'm running. After 2 months, we finally had 8.1 and 10
networked. We never got 7 to work as desired, but at least we got it to
where I could map the Mac shares to 7. But, it means I can't print to
my USB printers attached to the Mac. We never got Vista Ultimate and XP
Pro to connect.

Know how long it took me to get the Mac to connect to my Windows
computers? Maybe 30 minutes, and that includes tracking down the
instructions from Apple. After following the Apple instructions, the
Mac connects to XP. Vista, 7 Starter and ultimate, 8.1, and 10.

I've been playing with Linux Mint. I want to network it too. I figure
this will take a bit of fiddling, but to what extent I don't know yet.
Right now, it doesn't even see the Windows computers. Neither did
Windows see the Mac at first. But, to my surprise, the Mac was there.
When I tried to login, I entered my Mac username and password, and all
my shared folders were available. And, I can print!


Networking anything to anything else, when both sides use the same
underlying protocol, TCP/IP typically, shouldn't take more than a few
minutes. Where people run into problems, many times, is when they have
an expectation that they should be able to 'see' a visual representation
of the remote host. That's never necessary, but many people act as if it
is. They want an icon to appear on their screen that they can click on.
With DHCP, networking is all but automatic these days, but people don't
realize it because they can't see an icon to click on.

Several years ago I was visiting a friend in a distant city who runs a
guided tour company. She had 3 PCs in the office, and someone messed
around to the point where the PCs couldn't talk to each other anymore.
Two of them lost access to the Internet, and two stopped being able to
open the shared customer database, which was actually an Excel
spreadsheet stored internally on the third PC. She hired an IT guy and
he came to the office for two full days. At the end of the second day,
he admitted defeat and submitted his bill for something like $1700. She
asked if I'd take a look, and I expected the worst. All I found were
static IP entries that were wrong, as in wrong subnets on two PCs, wrong
network masks, wrong default gateways, etc. I had it all straightened
out in about 5-6 minutes.

So what was that other guy doing out there for two full days? No one
knows. She says he had his laptop open the whole time, tapping away at
something, but he never physically visited any of the PCs that were
right there in the office. He reminds me of an IT guy who posts in the
Windows groups from time to time who has problems with the basics.

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Char Jackson
 




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