Please help - Mouse Jumping And Clicking by Itself

Win XP Pro.

My Lenovo T500 mouse is jumping all over and it causes bad errors while
using it.
I have to constantly undo what it does.
It skips and clicks by itself.

It is a new MS Mobile mouse 4000.

I got the MS drivers for Mobile Mouse 4000 Win XP and installed but that
did not help.

The bluetooth mouse worked much better but it went to sleep too often
and sometimes just died requiring a reboot.

The mousepad had no issues at all. The mousepad is active while the MS
Mouse 4000 is in use. Is that a problem ?
How do I disable the mousepad ONLY when the USB MS Mobile Mouse is
plugged in ? Does that matter ?
Is there some keyboard thing I can do to enable/disable the mousepad ?


The only problem with the MS mobile mouse 4000 is its jumping and
clicking by itself but that is a major problem that i must eliminate.

Sysinternals process Explorer seems to indicate all is normal with 80%
System Idle.

In message , mrmr
writes:
Win XP Pro.

My Lenovo T500 mouse is jumping all over and it causes bad errors while
using it.

(I take it Lenovo T500 is the computer.)

I have to constantly undo what it does.
It skips and clicks by itself.

It is a new MS Mobile mouse 4000.

I got the MS drivers for Mobile Mouse 4000 Win XP and installed but
that did not help.

Does that driver actually give you anything the basic mouse driver built
into XP doesn't? (Extra buttons perhaps?)

The bluetooth mouse worked much better but it went to sleep too often
and sometimes just died requiring a reboot.

The mousepad had no issues at all. The mousepad is active while the MS
Mouse 4000 is in use. Is that a problem ?

I never found it a problem on XP. (On 7, my trackpad driver cuts out if
I plug in a mouse.)

How do I disable the mousepad ONLY when the USB MS Mobile Mouse is
plugged in ? Does that matter ?
Is there some keyboard thing I can do to enable/disable the mousepad ?

I don't know any way to disable it _only_ when an extra mouse is plugged
in. On this machine (under W7, but I think it's hardwired rather than
part of Windows 7), there are two ways of turning the 'pad off from the
keyboard: there's a long thin recessed key/button between the top of the
touchpad and the bottom of the space bar, which toggles it; and Fn+F9
also controls it. I'd be mildly surprised if Fn+Fsomething doesn't
toggle it on your machine too; have a look at the obscure little symbols
on the F keys (the ones the same colour as the "Fn" on the function
key). They'll operate regardless of whether there's a mouse, though.

The only problem with the MS mobile mouse 4000 is its jumping and
clicking by itself but that is a major problem that i must eliminate.

Have you tried it (I presume it's a wired mouse) in any other machine -
either with its fancy driver or just the built-in one? (How about in
Windows safe mode - though ISTR that XP's safe mode didn't use a mouse?)

Sysinternals process Explorer seems to indicate all is normal with 80%
System Idle.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

All I ask is to _prove_ that money can't make me happy.

My wired mouse is clunky but does not have any problems.
I cannot find a wired mouse that is small and has the side button I need !

unfortunately many of the function keys do not work but some do.
I see no mousepad function key icon.

I looked in Device Manager and found under USB controllers
intel(R) ICH9 Family universal host Controller - 2934
and 2935 through 2939
293A and 293C
A total of 8 entries.

WHY ?

I find
USB Root hub
there a total of 8 times.

WHY ?

Is that a problem ?


J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , mrmr
writes:
Win XP Pro.

My Lenovo T500 mouse is jumping all over and it causes bad errors
while using it.

(I take it Lenovo T500 is the computer.)

I have to constantly undo what it does.
It skips and clicks by itself.

It is a new MS Mobile mouse 4000.

I got the MS drivers for Mobile Mouse 4000 Win XP and installed but
that did not help.

Does that driver actually give you anything the basic mouse driver built
into XP doesn't? (Extra buttons perhaps?)

The bluetooth mouse worked much better but it went to sleep too often
and sometimes just died requiring a reboot.

The mousepad had no issues at all. The mousepad is active while the
MS Mouse 4000 is in use. Is that a problem ?

I never found it a problem on XP. (On 7, my trackpad driver cuts out if
I plug in a mouse.)

How do I disable the mousepad ONLY when the USB MS Mobile Mouse is
plugged in ? Does that matter ?
Is there some keyboard thing I can do to enable/disable the mousepad ?

I don't know any way to disable it _only_ when an extra mouse is plugged
in. On this machine (under W7, but I think it's hardwired rather than
part of Windows 7), there are two ways of turning the 'pad off from the
keyboard: there's a long thin recessed key/button between the top of the
touchpad and the bottom of the space bar, which toggles it; and Fn+F9
also controls it. I'd be mildly surprised if Fn+Fsomething doesn't
toggle it on your machine too; have a look at the obscure little symbols
on the F keys (the ones the same colour as the "Fn" on the function
key). They'll operate regardless of whether there's a mouse, though.

The only problem with the MS mobile mouse 4000 is its jumping and
clicking by itself but that is a major problem that i must eliminate.

Have you tried it (I presume it's a wired mouse) in any other machine -
either with its fancy driver or just the built-in one? (How about in
Windows safe mode - though ISTR that XP's safe mode didn't use a mouse?)

Sysinternals process Explorer seems to indicate all is normal with 80%
System Idle.

In message , FreeMan
writes:

My wired mouse is clunky but does not have any problems.
I cannot find a wired mouse that is small and has the side button I need !

Ah, so I take it that the mouse that's giving problems is a wireless
one.

unfortunately many of the function keys do not work but some do.

If you mean mechanically broken, check out replacement keyboards - you
might find they're cheaper than you expect.

I see no mousepad function key icon.

On mine, the icon could easily be mistaken for something to do with
monitors, as it looks rather like a screen/monitor. But check the
machine's manual - you should be able to find it at the manufacturer's
website.

I looked in Device Manager and found under USB controllers
intel(R) ICH9 Family universal host Controller - 2934
and 2935 through 2939
293A and 293C
A total of 8 entries.

WHY ?

I find
USB Root hub
there a total of 8 times.

WHY ?

A lot of the internal hardware is often on USB buses internally -
webcam, card reader, sometimes touchpad and keyboard (though I've seen
those appear as PS/2 as well). Some devices actually contain their own
hub (card reader if it can do multiple formats, maybe webcam so it can
do camera and microphone, ...). Though eight of them does seem a lot! Do
any of them (or anything else in Device Manager, for that matter) show
with a warning triangle /!\?

Is that a problem ?

Good question! Though I doubt it.
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If something works, thank an engineer. (Reported seen on a bumper sticker.)

On 9/27/2018 12:52 PM, mrmr wrote:
Win XP Pro.

My Lenovo T500 mouse is jumping all over and it causes bad errors while
using it.
I have to constantly undo what it does.
It skips and clicks by itself.

It is a new MS Mobile mouse 4000.

I got the MS drivers for Mobile Mouse 4000 Win XP and installed but that
did not help.

The bluetooth mouse worked much better but it went to sleep too often
and sometimes just died requiring a reboot.

The mousepad had no issues at all. The mousepad is active while the MS
Mouse 4000 is in use. Is that a problem ?
How do I disable the mousepad ONLY when the USB MS Mobile Mouse is
plugged in ? Does that matter ?
Is there some keyboard thing I can do to enable/disable the mousepad ?


The only problem with the MS mobile mouse 4000 is its jumping and
clicking by itself but that is a major problem that i must eliminate.

Sysinternals process Explorer seems to indicate all is normal with 80%
System Idle.


When I had problems with a new mouse, I returned it to the seller and
got a refund; I forget the brand. I immediately replaced it with a
Logitech M100 wired mouse, which has a USB connection. I have had it
for four years without any problem. My prior mouse lasted eight years
before it died.

A wireless mouse might require a change of battery just when I am doing
something very important (e.g., a stock market transaction just before
the markets close). A wired mouse does not have this problem.

--
David E. Ross
http://www.rossde.com

Too often, Twitter is a source of verbal vomit. Examples include Donald
Trump, Roseanne Barr, and Elon Musk.

In article , (mrmr) wrote:

How do I disable the mousepad ONLY when the USB MS Mobile Mouse is
plugged in ?

Hold down Fn and tap F8 to toggle the touchpad on Lenovos. I found I was forever
accidentally brushing the touchpad while typing on mine when I used a wireless
mouse.

--
Regards
John ) Remove the obvious to reply...

On 27/09/2018 20:52, mrmr wrote:
Win XP Pro.

My Lenovo T500 mouse is jumping all over and it causes bad errors while
using it.
I have to constantly undo what it does.
It skips and clicks by itself.

It is a new MS Mobile mouse 4000.

I got the MS drivers for Mobile Mouse 4000 Win XP and installed but that
did not help.

The bluetooth mouse worked much better but it went to sleep too often
and sometimes just died requiring a reboot.

The mousepad had no issues at all.Â* The mousepad is active while the MS
Mouse 4000 is in use.Â* Is that a problem ?
How do I disable the mousepad ONLY when the USB MS Mobile Mouse is
plugged in ?Â*Â* Does that matter ?
Is there some keyboard thing I can do to enable/disable the mousepad ?


The only problem with the MS mobile mouse 4000 is its jumping and
clicking by itself but that is a major problem that i must eliminate.

Sysinternals process Explorer seems to indicate all is normal with 80%
System Idle.


I've got an HP wireless mouse, and it suffered exactly the same problem,
as did a MS wireless mouse.

Finally traced the problem to the Panasonic cordless telephone (land
line) base station next to the computer. Moved that base station to
another room, and all the problems instantly disappeared.

Check for any form of transmitter close to the mouse, and move it
further away.

jim

Since the wired USB mouse seems to be working OK and the bluetooth mouse
did not jump around, it must be radio interference for wireless USB ???

I am now looking for a small usb wired mobile mouse with a side button.

I want small mouse. Like a mobile mouse.

Anybody know of a good one ?

If not, maybe a reliable bluetooth mouse that has a usb dongle.
Preferably a small mouse with side button.

My dongle-less bluetooth mouse shuts down too often to save power and
irritate me !

Live in California.

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:44:53 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

On 9/27/2018 12:52 PM, mrmr wrote:
Win XP Pro.

My Lenovo T500 mouse is jumping all over and it causes bad errors while
using it.
I have to constantly undo what it does.
It skips and clicks by itself.

It is a new MS Mobile mouse 4000.

I got the MS drivers for Mobile Mouse 4000 Win XP and installed but that
did not help.

The bluetooth mouse worked much better but it went to sleep too often
and sometimes just died requiring a reboot.

The mousepad had no issues at all. The mousepad is active while the MS
Mouse 4000 is in use. Is that a problem ?
How do I disable the mousepad ONLY when the USB MS Mobile Mouse is
plugged in ? Does that matter ?
Is there some keyboard thing I can do to enable/disable the mousepad ?


The only problem with the MS mobile mouse 4000 is its jumping and
clicking by itself but that is a major problem that i must eliminate.

Sysinternals process Explorer seems to indicate all is normal with 80%
System Idle.


When I had problems with a new mouse, I returned it to the seller and
got a refund; I forget the brand. I immediately replaced it with a
Logitech M100 wired mouse, which has a USB connection. I have had it
for four years without any problem. My prior mouse lasted eight years
before it died.

A wireless mouse might require a change of battery just when I am doing
something very important (e.g., a stock market transaction just before
the markets close). A wired mouse does not have this problem.



I'm in minority, I know, but I've always used a wired mouse for two
reasons:

1. They're generally less expensive than wireless.

2. I've never seen any advantage to the wireless ones.

mrmr,

My Lenovo T500 mouse is jumping all over and it causes bad errors while
using it.
I have to constantly undo what it does.
It skips and clicks by itself.

Maybe this helps:

https://www.goldtouch.com/stop-bluet...ssing-devices/

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
[]
I'm in minority, I know, but I've always used a wired mouse for two
reasons:

1. They're generally less expensive than wireless.

2. I've never seen any advantage to the wireless ones.

I suspect 2. is the dominant reason: unless you spend the vast amounts
on your mice that gamers do, the costs of either sort aren't that
significant in the "first world" that most of us here are fortunate
enough to be in.

I _can_ see a _slight_ advantage to the wireless ones: in some
situations, especially with some desk layouts, the cable can snag, kink,
or otherwise interfere with the free movement I want. For me, that is
more than outweighed by the (possibly only perceived) unreliability of
the wireless-type connection (anonymous - i. e. where they don't tell
you what they're using - or bluetooth), and also the concern - however
remote - about battery rundown; however, each to his own on these.

The cable snag can be overcome with a (still wired) trackball; those
have their own advantages and disadvantages. (One being that the
majority are either huge, or tiny but handheld [I had one of those that
loops round your finger for a while]. I don't think I've seen one that's
about the same size as a normal mouse, though I haven't looked for one.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Veni Vidi Vacuum [I came, I saw, It sucked] - , 1998

In message , John K.Eason
writes:
In article ,
(mrmr) wrote:

How do I disable the mousepad ONLY when the USB MS Mobile Mouse is
plugged in ?

Hold down Fn and tap F8 to toggle the touchpad on Lenovos. I found I
was forever
accidentally brushing the touchpad while typing on mine when I used a wireless
mouse.

Thanks for looking up which function key it actually is on Lenovos (not
having one, I wasn't able to explicitly tell mrmr which one, though I
was fairly certain the function would be there).

Although that's on/off regardless; I read mrmr's question as meaning he
wanted the 'pad to be disabled when he plugged the external mouse in,
and come back when it was unplugged. FWIR, on XP the two worked at once
(unless you turned off the 'pad); on this 7-32, the 'pad driver disables
it when it detects any "alternative pointing device". I'm still using a
"Synaptics" driver for the 'pad (I've not actually encountered any
other, even manufacturers' own drivers seem to be Synaptics inside) as I
was under XP, but presumably it's a different version.

(FWIW, I'd like the pad _not_ to be disabled so I _could_ use them
together! Not important though - I rarely plug in a mouse - in fact the
only time I have recently is when the pad misbehaves: plugging in and
then removing a mouse seems to reset it.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Veni Vidi Vacuum [I came, I saw, It sucked] - , 1998

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 12:53:44 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
[]
I'm in minority, I know, but I've always used a wired mouse for two
reasons:

1. They're generally less expensive than wireless.

2. I've never seen any advantage to the wireless ones.

I suspect 2. is the dominant reason: unless you spend the vast amounts
on your mice that gamers do, the costs of either sort aren't that
significant in the "first world" that most of us here are fortunate
enough to be in.


Your suspicions are correct ;-) If I saw a significant advantage to
wireless mice I'd spend the few extra dollars for one.



I _can_ see a _slight_ advantage to the wireless ones: in some
situations, especially with some desk layouts, the cable can snag, kink,
or otherwise interfere with the free movement I want.


Perhaps that's true for some people. For me, with my desk layout, it's
not.


For me, that is
more than outweighed by the (possibly only perceived) unreliability of


Yes. You can add that as number 3 to my comment above.


the wireless-type connection (anonymous - i. e. where they don't tell
you what they're using - or bluetooth), and also the concern - however
remote - about battery rundown; however, each to his own on these.


Yes. As always, each to his own.


The cable snag can be overcome with a (still wired) trackball; those
have their own advantages and disadvantages. (One being that the
majority are either huge, or tiny but handheld [I had one of those that
loops round your finger for a while]. I don't think I've seen one that's
about the same size as a normal mouse, though I haven't looked for one.)


I've tried a trackball a few times over the years, and I hate them.
Perhaps if I had started with one instead of a mouse, it would be the
other way around, but it's too late now; I can't get used to them--at
least not easily.

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
[]
I've tried a trackball a few times over the years, and I hate them.
Perhaps if I had started with one instead of a mouse, it would be the
other way around, but it's too late now; I can't get used to them--at
least not easily.

When I got my first laptop (and hence trackpad/touchpad), I used a
mouse, being fairly convinced I'd never get on with a pad. Now I use a
pad more or less all the time with any laptop. (I still use a mouse with
desktops, but that's probably because that's what they have; although I
know you can get external pads, I've never used one.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Radio 4 is the civilising influence in this country ... I think it is the most
important institution in this country. - John Humphrys, Radio Times
7-13/06/2003

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 16:48:35 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
[]
I've tried a trackball a few times over the years, and I hate them.
Perhaps if I had started with one instead of a mouse, it would be the
other way around, but it's too late now; I can't get used to them--at
least not easily.

When I got my first laptop (and hence trackpad/touchpad), I used a
mouse, being fairly convinced I'd never get on with a pad. Now I use a
pad more or less all the time with any laptop. (I still use a mouse with
desktops, but that's probably because that's what they have; although I
know you can get external pads, I've never used one.)



I use a laptop very seldom these days (I usually use a smartphone
instead when I travel), but whenever I do, I use a mouse with it. I
hate laptop touchpads even more than trackballs.