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Old November 20th 18, 07:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Fred[_25_]
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Is there some add-on that will allow viewing website videos on Win XP
Pro. For Firefox for ???
Some videos play some say I do not have the right video player.

And no, I am not buying a new PC to fix this !

Thanks.
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Old November 20th 18, 08:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co[_3_]
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Fred wrote:
Is there some add-on that will allow viewing website videos on Win XP
Pro. For Firefox for ???
Some videos play some say I do not have the right video player.

And no, I am not buying a new PC to fix this !

Thanks.


Make sure you're using the latest version of FF for XP, which is version
52.9. But even with version 52.9 (which I'm also using), you're still going
to have this problem with Firefox due to its age. The HTML5 stuff, et al,
is evolving.

You can resolve this problem by using Chrome (version 49, the last version
for XP), which works well most of the time. But I think even its days are
numbered - for this. Of course, this is also assuming you don't mind using
Chrome and its nuances. :-)

I find it somewhat ironic that the thing that will ultimately force some of
us to upgrade to a new OS may simply be the web browser limitations on
different web sites. But until that day arrives, I'm still using and loving
XP :-) (I still haven't gotten use to the "idiosyncracies" of Windows 7)


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Old November 20th 18, 11:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 10:42:19 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Is there some add-on that will allow viewing website videos on Win XP
Pro. For Firefox for ???
Some videos play some say I do not have the right video player.

And no, I am not buying a new PC to fix this !

Thanks.


You can just load 7 or 10 to fix it but I haven't done it yet. I do
have a disk sitting here. I will be adding another drive to load it on
so I can keep both. I have too much software I don't want to throw
away yet and reloading it on 7 might not work anyway.
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Old November 21st 18, 03:54 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Fred wrote:
Is there some add-on that will allow viewing website videos on Win XP
Pro. For Firefox for ???
Some videos play some say I do not have the right video player.

And no, I am not buying a new PC to fix this !

Thanks.


Generally, we would attempt to download the video,
then play in VideoLAN "VLC Player" program. There is
a very high probability of playing a video that way.
People have their favorites, and there are others
like Media Player Classic and so on.

How do you download a video ? Youtube-DL is one way.
It is a command line program, you point it to
a web page, and it dumps information about what
formats are available. For example, it works with
my local TV news station web site. The pestilent web
site "wraps" videos in a god-awful wrapper that
prevents all three browsers from playing the video.
(My third browser is technically able to play the
video, but no browser can digest the wrapper, which
is improperly coded and has been broken for a couple
years.)

Youtube Downloader ("youtube-dl") can grab the
file and then I can play it in VLC. But it's a damn
nuisance. The cat videos would have to be pretty
good for me to bother doing that.

*******

If you wanted native playback in the web browser, you'd
need a plugin for the format. This might require collecting
several plugins. If the video pane is wrapped (HTML5 wrapper),
then it's going to be back to the "your browser isn't modern
enough" garbage situation.

So to a first order approximation, if we went back say
seven years, we'd use a regular browser and an Adobe Flash
plugin to play .flv. Now, the web has various HMTL5 formats,
Adobe is on the way out, and now we need a new browser,
something WinXP is not going to get.

You can test your current browser for compliance, with this web page.

https://www.youtube.com/html5

HTMLVideoElement H.264 Webm VP8

Media Source Extensions MSE&H.264 MSE&WebM VP9

So that basically tells you that a modern browser might benefit
from H.264 support, VP8 support, and VP9 support.

This article is an example of turning on support in Firefox 34
or so. That's for cases where Mozilla had it turned off. It
looks like you might get five of six tests to pass, and the
"MSE&H.264" might still be broken.

https://www.ghacks.net/2014/07/25/en...fox-right-now/

And right now, my copy of SRWare Iron (which is based on
Chrome 49 suitable for WinXP), all six squares are enabled.
Any Chrome-a-like should also be using the last version
of Chromium source code suitable for WinXP, and that might
be version 49. Chrome itself won't run on WinXP today,
and is probably around version 70 or so. A WinXP user is
stuck with version 49, warts and all.

You can try following some of the links on this page,
but there's no guarantee any of them have a version
suited to a WinXP user. Ones I recognize are SRWare Iron,
Opera, and Vivaldi. My copy of Opera doesn't do well
on the Youtube test, but maybe they've fixed that by now.
Brave is advertising supported (not tested, not interested).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers

Chromium
* SRWare Iron
* Torch
* Cốc Cốc
* Comodo Dragon
* Brave
* Ecosia
* Epic
* RockMelt (discontinued)
* Google Chrome (based on Blink since Chrome v. 28)
* Opera
* Microsoft Edge for Android
* qutebrowser (Blink backend mostly stable)
* Amazon Silk
* Sleipnir
* Vivaldi
* Yandex Browser
* Puffin Browser
* Redcore

Paul
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Old November 21st 18, 04:41 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co[_3_]
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Paul wrote:
Fred wrote:
Is there some add-on that will allow viewing website videos on Win XP
Pro. For Firefox for ???
Some videos play some say I do not have the right video player.

And no, I am not buying a new PC to fix this !

Thanks.


Generally, we would attempt to download the video,
then play in VideoLAN "VLC Player" program. There is
a very high probability of playing a video that way.
People have their favorites, and there are others
like Media Player Classic and so on.

How do you download a video ? Youtube-DL is one way.
It is a command line program, you point it to
a web page, and it dumps information about what
formats are available. For example, it works with
my local TV news station web site. The pestilent web
site "wraps" videos in a god-awful wrapper that
prevents all three browsers from playing the video.
(My third browser is technically able to play the
video, but no browser can digest the wrapper, which
is improperly coded and has been broken for a couple
years.)

Youtube Downloader ("youtube-dl") can grab the
file and then I can play it in VLC. But it's a damn
nuisance. The cat videos would have to be pretty
good for me to bother doing that.

*******

If you wanted native playback in the web browser, you'd
need a plugin for the format. This might require collecting
several plugins. If the video pane is wrapped (HTML5 wrapper),
then it's going to be back to the "your browser isn't modern
enough" garbage situation.

So to a first order approximation, if we went back say
seven years, we'd use a regular browser and an Adobe Flash
plugin to play .flv. Now, the web has various HMTL5 formats,
Adobe is on the way out, and now we need a new browser,
something WinXP is not going to get.

You can test your current browser for compliance, with this web page.

https://www.youtube.com/html5

HTMLVideoElement H.264 Webm VP8

Media Source Extensions MSE&H.264 MSE&WebM VP9

So that basically tells you that a modern browser might benefit
from H.264 support, VP8 support, and VP9 support.

This article is an example of turning on support in Firefox 34
or so. That's for cases where Mozilla had it turned off. It
looks like you might get five of six tests to pass, and the
"MSE&H.264" might still be broken.

https://www.ghacks.net/2014/07/25/en...fox-right-now/

And right now, my copy of SRWare Iron (which is based on
Chrome 49 suitable for WinXP), all six squares are enabled.
Any Chrome-a-like should also be using the last version
of Chromium source code suitable for WinXP, and that might
be version 49. Chrome itself won't run on WinXP today,
and is probably around version 70 or so. A WinXP user is
stuck with version 49, warts and all.

You can try following some of the links on this page,
but there's no guarantee any of them have a version
suited to a WinXP user. Ones I recognize are SRWare Iron,
Opera, and Vivaldi. My copy of Opera doesn't do well
on the Youtube test, but maybe they've fixed that by now.
Brave is advertising supported (not tested, not interested).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers

Chromium
* SRWare Iron
* Torch
* C?c C?c
* Comodo Dragon
* Brave
* Ecosia
* Epic
* RockMelt (discontinued)
* Google Chrome (based on Blink since Chrome v. 28)
* Opera
* Microsoft Edge for Android
* qutebrowser (Blink backend mostly stable)
* Amazon Silk
* Sleipnir
* Vivaldi
* Yandex Browser
* Puffin Browser
* Redcore

Paul


Wasn't sure what you meant by "Chrome doesn't run on Windows XP". ???
Chrome version 49 runs on XP, but it's the last version that does so, and is
probably his (and my) best bet, unless he wants to go to the trouble of
downloading the videos, and then using VLC (or whatever player) as you
suggested. The nice thing about VLC is it has its own built in codecs, too.
Thanks for posting that h264 hack for FF, too! I had forgotten that I had
done that patch, and it just might help him, even though it takes a few
minutes to get it set it up properly.


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Old November 21st 18, 06:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Bill in Co wrote:

Wasn't sure what you meant by "Chrome doesn't run on Windows XP". ???


The current version of Chrome (70 or so).

If you went to some Chrome download website and it "sniffed" your
browser OS version, it would tell you no version
was available. When Version 49 would work if you
could find a copy.

This requires some ferreting work on the part of the user,
to find a version that does work.

Download sites seldom ever do the right thing by users.

Keeping WinXP running and delivering positive experiences
requires lots of ferret work. If you're not good at
digging up old versions of stuff, you're not going
to be very happy.

Now, this is the way to serve software, even if
the user has no idea what version they want. At
least they're all here :-)

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/

Paul
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Old November 21st 18, 07:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co[_3_]
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Paul wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:

Wasn't sure what you meant by "Chrome doesn't run on Windows XP". ???


The current version of Chrome (70 or so).

If you went to some Chrome download website and it "sniffed" your
browser OS version, it would tell you no version
was available. When Version 49 would work if you
could find a copy.

This requires some ferreting work on the part of the user,
to find a version that does work.

Download sites seldom ever do the right thing by users.

Keeping WinXP running and delivering positive experiences
requires lots of ferret work. If you're not good at
digging up old versions of stuff, you're not going
to be very happy.

Now, this is the way to serve software, even if
the user has no idea what version they want. At
least they're all here :-)

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/

Paul


I must be a good ferret. (I kinda assumed everybody else here was too).
I've gotten really used to it, since I generally prefer the older and less
bloated versions of most software. That said, I was *forced* to upgrade
both FF and Chrome to the latest versions for XP since the older versions
just aren't cutting it anymore on several web sites.


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Old November 21st 18, 02:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , Paul
writes:
[]
formats are available. For example, it works with
my local TV news station web site. The pestilent web
site "wraps" videos in a god-awful wrapper that
prevents all three browsers from playing the video.
(My third browser is technically able to play the
video, but no browser can digest the wrapper, which
is improperly coded and has been broken for a couple
years.)

[]
By broken, I assume you mean broken for the browsers that run in XP.
(Which I agree is still broken - a mere wrapper shouldn't need
_anything_ special.) If it's really been a couple of years (or if it's
broken for 7 and later), have you told them?
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