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  #31  
Old August 7th 04, 08:58 PM
Chad Harris
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Ken--

I appreciate the additional information. I wasn't as alert to HTML carrying
viruses. I understand the bandwidth situation, and that in the US there are
many pockets in many states where there isn't always a broadband option
available--and unfortunately when there is there is not yet a choice of
multiple broadband carriers which means price points are way to high and
mickey mouse excuses are given as to why Cable providers can't provide
ala-cart services so you aren't stuffed with 50 TV stations for 50 bucks a
month that you'd never watch in order to get HBO of something else you want.

Even when I take the check out of the send tab to reply to messages in
format sent, I still get the OE html formatting bar (which is what MSFT
officially calls it and I was trying to convey to Kelly is a native part of
MSFT OE/IE/XP. I have a couple chapters on OE in the last IE book MSFT
Press put out and they talk about the options of the Plain Text Settings
dialogue box but they don't really explain how to use the options or what
they mean (not the first and last time for that)--Encode text using--Allow 8
bit messages for headers--Indentation Character--Automatic Text Wrapping
other than to say it should be a few characters less than 80.

"Go nuts" is too strong a word but people are going to jump up and down if
you use HTML that much I'm certain. Even with the checks in the proper
place on the send tab this reply box defaulted to HTML or rich text, but it
is easy enough to change it.

Best,

Chad Harris


"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
In ,
Chad Harris typed:

I fail to see why people go nuts when you post in html if it's

for a
good reason. I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you

use
italics, underline or bold correctly. Does it create that much

of a
bandwidth problem?



"Going nuts' is perhaps too strong a reaction, but be aware that
there are several significant problems with html:

1. Html messages can carry viruses.

2. Html messages are bigger than text messages, often very much
bigger. That may not be a problem for you if, for example, you're
in the USA and have a fast connection. But realize that many
people use dial-up, either because that's all that's available to
them where they are, or because they can't afford anything
faster. Also in many other parts of the world, people pay for
their internet usage by the minute, and anything that increases
the size of messages is a great imposition to them.

3. Everyone's idea of what constitutes an attractive or improved
html message is different. You may think your html messages are
beautiful, but someone else might find them unreadable. I once
had a correspondent who would send me E-mail messages with red
text on a black background. I could barely make them out.

He finally stopped and switched to text when I threatened to
killfile him if he didn't. ;-)

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup


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  #32  
Old August 7th 04, 09:15 PM
Ken Blake
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In ,
Chad Harris typed:

Ken--

I appreciate the additional information.



You're welcome, Chad. Glad to help.


Even when I take the check out of the send tab to reply to

messages in
format sent, I still get the OE html formatting bar (which is

what
MSFT officially calls it and I was trying to convey to Kelly is

a
native part of MSFT OE/IE/XP. I have a couple chapters on OE

in the
last IE book MSFT Press put out and they talk about the options

of
the Plain Text Settings dialogue box but they don't really

explain
how to use the options or what they mean (not the first and

last time
for that)--Encode text using--Allow 8 bit messages for
headers--Indentation Character--Automatic Text Wrapping other

than to
say it should be a few characters less than 80.



Yes, in my view, it's unfortunate that Microsoft makes html the
default, and doesn't make it easy to turn it off either. I use
Microsoft products for both E-mail (Outlook) and newsgroups
(Outlook Express) and have it turned off in both. But not
everybody even realizes that turning it off is an option, and
even if they do, they can't necessarily figure out how to do it.


"Go nuts" is too strong a word but people are going to jump up

and
down if you use HTML that much I'm certain. Even with the

checks in
the proper place on the send tab this reply box defaulted to

HTML or
rich text, but it is easy enough to change it.



"Some people" will do that. I'm against using html too, but I
don't normally react that strongly to its being used. Especially
since I'm on a fast connection, and have "Read all messages in
plain text" checked in Outlook Express.

By the way, one other point against html that I should have
mentioned, but forgot to. Some people use newsreaders that
doesn't render html and they see the encoded text instead.
Reading that stuff is a real pain.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup




"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
In ,
Chad Harris typed:

I fail to see why people go nuts when you post in html if it's

for a
good reason. I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you

use
italics, underline or bold correctly. Does it create that

much
of a
bandwidth problem?



"Going nuts' is perhaps too strong a reaction, but be aware

that
there are several significant problems with html:

1. Html messages can carry viruses.

2. Html messages are bigger than text messages, often very much
bigger. That may not be a problem for you if, for example,

you're
in the USA and have a fast connection. But realize that many
people use dial-up, either because that's all that's available

to
them where they are, or because they can't afford anything
faster. Also in many other parts of the world, people pay for
their internet usage by the minute, and anything that increases
the size of messages is a great imposition to them.

3. Everyone's idea of what constitutes an attractive or

improved
html message is different. You may think your html messages are
beautiful, but someone else might find them unreadable. I once
had a correspondent who would send me E-mail messages with red
text on a black background. I could barely make them out.

He finally stopped and switched to text when I threatened to
killfile him if he didn't. ;-)



  #33  
Old August 7th 04, 11:49 PM
+-J
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Default HTML in Newsgroups

Incognitus,

This setting will *not* strip HTML markup from "pasted HTML".
However, pasting HTML into Notepad first *will* strip the HTML markup.
Then copy the resulting TEXT from Notepad into OE.
---
Jan


"Incognitus" wrote:
|
| "Chad Harris" wrote:
| Kelly--
| I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in when I get ready to reply and I don't know why.
|
|
| Tools | Options | Send and uncheck 'Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent'


  #34  
Old August 8th 04, 12:35 AM
+-J
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Default New Imformation on System Restore & Windows Installer Registry Corruption


"Ken Blake" wrote:
| Chad Harris typed:
| I fail to see why people go nuts when you post in html if it's for a
| good reason. I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you
| use italics, underline or bold correctly. Does it create that much
| of a bandwidth problem?
|
|
| "Going nuts' is perhaps too strong a reaction, but be aware that
| there are several significant problems with html:
|
| 1. Html messages can carry viruses.
|
| 2. Html messages are bigger than text messages, often very much
| bigger. That may not be a problem for you if, for example, you're
| in the USA and have a fast connection. But realize that many
| people use dial-up, either because that's all that's available to
| them where they are, or because they can't afford anything
| faster. Also in many other parts of the world, people pay for
| their internet usage by the minute, and anything that increases
| the size of messages is a great imposition to them.
|
| 3. Everyone's idea of what constitutes an attractive or improved
| html message is different. You may think your html messages are
| beautiful, but someone else might find them unreadable. I once
| had a correspondent who would send me E-mail messages with red
| text on a black background. I could barely make them out.
|
| He finally stopped and switched to text when I threatened to
| killfile him if he didn't. ;-)


Ken,

Well said!

Double irony when visiting these newsgroups whilst using the web interface (CDO):

1. Markup - all HTML/RTF is stripped, so all visual embellishments are lost anyway.

2. Bandwidth - *ten* (10) copies of each post-message are sent to the user's web browser, viz.:-

1 * actual message
1 * // commented-out message
4 * [Reply] messages - one for MSIE 6, one for MSIE 5.5, one for MSIE 5.0 and one for 'other'
4 * [Forward] messages - as above

-and- in each of those 10 copies, almost every non-alphanumeric character is "%-escaped" - each ASCII byte becomes three bytes, and
each UNICODE byte-pair becomes at least five bytes

-and- not to forget all the bloated HTML of the website itself!
---
Jan


  #35  
Old August 8th 04, 02:22 AM
+-J
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Chad,

| I fail to see why people go nuts

NOBODY went nuts, hence this reading of The Riot Act.

| when you post in html if it's for a good reason.

YOU have NO good reason to post in HTML.

| I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you use italics, underline or bold correctly.

But you changed the FONT-SIZE for plato, and many others.

| Does it create that much of a bandwidth problem?

YES

| It's not a large image.

You did not measure anything.

| My posts in html weren't intentional on this group although I have done it when I thought it was appropriate.

In Outlook Express, use *both* of the following settings to prevent the parent's HTML from propagating.

Tools | Options |
[Y] "Read all messages in plain text"

Tools | Options | Send |
[_] 'Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent'

| They were a function of that checkmark on the Send tab.

Which option? There many options on /Send\

| And I still noticed the html toolbar which *is native to OE messages* in rich text format, but since I wasn't doing anything but
hyperlinking, I didn't think it would be html.

In OE, hyperlinks are clickable in TEXT messages.

| The post that started the html question that Plato said "gave his eyes a workout"

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.

|--(I'm not sure what that means ...

This is ONE of YOUR problems.

| because his eyes have all the tools to handle that and more anatomically and physiologically)

How can YOU possibly know about Plato's eyes?
And why are YOU telling HIM what HE should do about the problem which YOU caused?

| but it came simply from a font used on Kelly's web page when I pasted and I still cannot understand why it is such a prodigious
deal.

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.
Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is even smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.


| Even with the checkmark out of the box on that send tab, this message opened up to post in html and I changed it to plain text.

.... Which has been explained by Kelly.

To be continued...
---
Jan


  #36  
Old August 8th 04, 06:11 AM
Chad Harris
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"+-J" wrote in message ...
Chad,

| I fail to see why people go nuts

NOBODY went nuts, hence this reading of The Riot Act.

| when you post in html if it's for a good reason.

YOU have NO good reason to post in HTML.

| I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you use italics, underline or bold correctly.

But you changed the FONT-SIZE for plato, and many others.

| Does it create that much of a bandwidth problem?

YES

| It's not a large image.

You did not measure anything.

| My posts in html weren't intentional on this group although I have done it when I thought it was appropriate.

In Outlook Express, use *both* of the following settings to prevent the parent's HTML from propagating.

Tools | Options |
[Y] "Read all messages in plain text"

Tools | Options | Send |
[_] 'Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent'

| They were a function of that checkmark on the Send tab.

Which option? There many options on /Send\

| And I still noticed the html toolbar which *is native to OE messages* in rich text format, but since I wasn't doing anything but
hyperlinking, I didn't think it would be html.

In OE, hyperlinks are clickable in TEXT messages.

| The post that started the html question that Plato said "gave his eyes a workout"

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.

|--(I'm not sure what that means ...

This is ONE of YOUR problems.

| because his eyes have all the tools to handle that and more anatomically and physiologically)

How can YOU possibly know about Plato's eyes?
And why are YOU telling HIM what HE should do about the problem which YOU caused?

| but it came simply from a font used on Kelly's web page when I pasted and I still cannot understand why it is such a prodigious
deal.

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.
Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is even smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.


| Even with the checkmark out of the box on that send tab, this message opened up to post in html and I changed it to plain text.

... Which has been explained by Kelly.

To be continued...
---
Jan


  #37  
Old August 8th 04, 06:48 AM
Chad Harris
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Default 127.0.0.1 of The RIOT ACT--Reread the posts before you "riot."

+J--

Reading what I posted might help and I'm for ending this and getting onto some XP problems. But I'll be happy to repeat some of what you didn't read and understand first go 'round:

"YOU have NO good reason to post in HTML*" We have some fortune tellers in our town that would view you as competition. I disagree. I have some excellent reasons to post in HTML--it would look ten times better. That's why books, the print media, TV computer graphics, and nearly anything visual that you ever read deploys it.

You have a full time job getting insight into your own motivation. There are a number of people who have done it with good reason, and there are groups directly supervised by MSFT right now that permit it if the poster feels they have a reason, and the MSFT supervisors have said directly that they will post in HTML or put up an attachment if they feel *they* have a reason.

"But you changed the FONT-SIZE for plato, and many others." Nope, As I've said for the third time, now, I didn't change the font size although you changed it above. Kelly or someone else on her site chose the font size and I pasted it and didn't realize I posted in html and didn't even intend to and it preserved that font size from the SR article from Kellly.

I didn't change the font size at all in that Post--as I explained twice, it came from a Web Page on Kelly's XP website--the article on System Restore.

Highlights of System Restore Fixes in SP1 (Kelly's XP)

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_restore.htm

"Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is even smaller to give my eyes an even better workout."

For the tenth time, *I* didn't pick the font, Kelly or someone else did. So what happens when you go to Kelly's page--do you jump up and down resenting that font is there? How 'bout Plato? Have you asked Kelly to change that font or pick one even smaller to give your eyes a workout or like a big boy figure a way to scroll and make it comfortable viewing because it's far and away one of the best sites or collections of information anyone has worked hard to compile and meticulously update.


I pasted directly from this page. Scroll to the bottom where Kelly included MSFT's SR Team member's writeup as to changes in Windows XP SP1--a change I haven't seen conveyed anywhere that is significant and seldom mentioned in posts on System Restore and why it works or doesn't. I'm taking from this that Kelly has a piece of information on her site that most people need to know. When I pasted, I didn't even know HTML was on.

As I've said more than once on this thread, I have the appropriate check marks "Reply to messages in their format" has the check out and "News Sending Format" has a radio button in "Send in Plain text." I mastered the art of the difficult navigation ToolsOptionsSend tab and it doesn't matter--the "HTML Formatting Part of MSFT OE/IE/XP bar" still comes up. It's up now, and it will be up until I turn it off--which I've managed to do since it caused concern.

"You did not measure anything." You're clueless as to what I measured.

I was explicit and clear on its face about precisely what on the Send tab is appropriate to deploy Plaint Text and I really appreciate your pointing out that there are a few other options on the Send tab--the rest of us could never count them and going to those tabs is such a highly complex manuever.

But there's something you don't appreciate. OE is the freebie from MSFT. There has been a culture at Redmond that it doesn't get that developed and it doesn't get updated often or in much depth. One of the product managers a few months ago announed it was being discontinued in fact, but then there was a quick retraction and references that it might have more functionality in Longhorn.

OE doesn't do a lot of things well. It's not going to. There are a number of aspects of downloading messages from NGs that have been dissected by a number of people on the OE groups that aren't consistent and don't work well. Tom Koch's site points out a number of problems. MSFT encourages people to compact while they are on line and using their PC, and every last OE MVP has singled compacting out as one of the chief causes for a corrupt inbox and other components of OE that break.

As to ways to handle a problem that causes a workout for your eyes, both David Candy and I did a complete job of telling you how you can adjust any text size in a second that you see on the group. I'm doing what I can do for Plato's eyes. I'm posting in plain text. But Plato is going to have to use some of the buffers for getting comfortable that both David Candy and I pointed out exist because I can't troubleshoot every web page that he encounters, and when he does encounter small print, my Accessibility check mark can go along way toward helping. The display properties dialogue box can change the fonts on menus and I recommend it for anyone who wants bigger print.

"which has been explained by Kelly"--No it hasn't. Not even close. The HTMLFormatting toolbar as MSFT Press's latest book on IE/OE calls it *is part of OE/IE/XP--it is not third party.* And I read Kelly's 4 posts several times. Given that I have the two appropriate places configured on the Send tab for plain text, there is no explanation as to why I have to reset to Plain text, but I'm happy to do it.

Chad

__________________________________________________ _________________________

"+-J" wrote in message ...

Chad,

| I fail to see why people go nuts

NOBODY went nuts, hence this reading of The Riot Act.

| when you post in html if it's for a good reason.

YOU have NO good reason to post in HTML.

| I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you use italics, underline or bold correctly.

But you changed the FONT-SIZE for plato, and many others.

| Does it create that much of a bandwidth problem?

YES

| It's not a large image.

You did not measure anything.

| My posts in html weren't intentional on this group although I have done it when I thought it was appropriate.

In Outlook Express, use *both* of the following settings to prevent the parent's HTML from propagating.

Tools | Options |
[Y] "Read all messages in plain text"

Tools | Options | Send |
[_] 'Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent'

| They were a function of that checkmark on the Send tab.

Which option? There many options on /Send\

| And I still noticed the html toolbar which *is native to OE messages* in rich text format, but since I wasn't doing anything but
hyperlinking, I didn't think it would be html.

In OE, hyperlinks are clickable in TEXT messages.

| The post that started the html question that Plato said "gave his eyes a workout"

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.

|--(I'm not sure what that means ...

This is ONE of YOUR problems.

| because his eyes have all the tools to handle that and more anatomically and physiologically)

How can YOU possibly know about Plato's eyes?
And why are YOU telling HIM what HE should do about the problem which YOU caused?

| but it came simply from a font used on Kelly's web page when I pasted and I still cannot understand why it is such a prodigious
deal.

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.
Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is even smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.


| Even with the checkmark out of the box on that send tab, this message opened up to post in html and I changed it to plain text.

... Which has been explained by Kelly.

To be continued...
---
Jan


  #38  
Old August 8th 04, 07:15 AM
Chad Harris
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Default 127.0.0.1 of The RIOT ACT--from failure to read/understand prior posts

I can make the decision as to whether I have good reason to post in HTML. On
groups with close supervision by MSFT, MSFT personnel have given a strong
argument why HTML may enhance a post as well as attachments in fact, and
that post exists now.

It's common sense--the same reason the print media, web page design, and TV
graphics use italics and bold--it's easier to read and more attractive than
plain text. That's why it's called plain. What do you and Plato do about
all the Web pages that are formatted various ways? Read your ridiculous
riot act to them?

For the third time (you didn't pay any attention to previous posts--go back
and read them--the small font came from a system restore article on Kelly's
site and I linked it. See for yourself. As I've said two previous times, I
pasted from Kelly's web page and I didn't know HTML was on.

I was explicit as to the two places on the Send tab I configured for Plain
Text. Go back and read the posts this time.

"In Outlook Express, use *both* of the following settings to prevent the
parent's HTML from propagating"

I have been doing that well before you suggested it. Some quick context on
OE for you. It's Redmond's freebie. Their culture doesn't spend a lot of
time on it. This is also reflected in MSFT's failure to warn people the
harm they can cause from compacting while on line and that this is one of
the most common causes for OE broken or the complaints "I can't open OE" on
newsgroups. The OE MVPs point this out over and over again on the OE
newsgroups.

MSFT doesn't update OE much and they are content for it to have minimal
functionality. The newsgroup downloading menus and options are a mess and
don't work consistently and this ihas been shown repeatedly on the OE
newsgroups.

Many use it only for it's NNTP newsreader, and some use much better
newsreaders. Those people usually use Outlook because it does some things OE
should be doing but doesn't and yes I get that Outlook has richer
functionality because it's part of Redmond's primo cash cow Office.

You don't have a clue what I measure and don't.

"Which option? There many options on /Send\"

Again, go back and reread the posts. I was specific and explicit on its
face as to which of the two send options I had configured for Plain Text.

David Candy and I both explained a number of convenient options for Plato to
take if print is too small for his eyes whatever the reason. When David
mentioned over 40, I suppose the most common cause would be ciliary muscle
tone loss and presbyopia. And there are lots of ways to counter that in a
Windows OS and we named every one of them. Good ones reside at
Accessibility and Display Properties dialogue box. You can rheostat the
fonts on these newsgroup posts with the Accessibility suggestion I made, and
you can configure on the Display Properties dialogue box to control the
fonts on menus, even the listings for these newsgroups, name bar fonts,
toolbar fonts, task bar fonts, task bar buttons, and Start Menu fonts.

"Since your going to post in html with a mini font..." This would be on
point to Kelly's suggestion about a spell checker.

"Which has been explained by Kelly."

No it wasn't explained at all by Kelly. Kelly didn't touch it in any of her
four posts. Kelly referred to the "HTML Formatting toolbar in OE/IE/XP" as
"3rd party" or to quote her exactly "not native or related to XP(thus also
meaning OE" Since I know she knows exactly what it is she must have thought
we were referring to something else. That's the name that MSFT Press's
Latest *Running IE* book gives it--and it is absolutely a "native" part of
OE/IE/XP.

Chad Harris
__________________________________________________ ____________________________



"+-J" wrote in message
...
Chad,

| I fail to see why people go nuts

NOBODY went nuts, hence this reading of The Riot Act.

| when you post in html if it's for a good reason.

YOU have NO good reason to post in HTML.

| I think html makes it a lot easier to read if you use italics, underline
or bold correctly.

But you changed the FONT-SIZE for plato, and many others.

| Does it create that much of a bandwidth problem?

YES

| It's not a large image.

You did not measure anything.

| My posts in html weren't intentional on this group although I have done it
when I thought it was appropriate.

In Outlook Express, use *both* of the following settings to prevent the
parent's HTML from propagating.

Tools | Options |
[Y] "Read all messages in plain text"

Tools | Options | Send |
[_] 'Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent'

| They were a function of that checkmark on the Send tab.

Which option? There many options on /Send\

| And I still noticed the html toolbar which *is native to OE messages* in
rich text format, but since I wasn't doing anything but
hyperlinking, I didn't think it would be html.

In OE, hyperlinks are clickable in TEXT messages.

| The post that started the html question that Plato said "gave his eyes a
workout"

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.

|--(I'm not sure what that means ...

This is ONE of YOUR problems.

| because his eyes have all the tools to handle that and more anatomically
and physiologically)

How can YOU possibly know about Plato's eyes?
And why are YOU telling HIM what HE should do about the problem which YOU
caused?

| but it came simply from a font used on Kelly's web page when I pasted and
I still cannot understand why it is such a prodigious
deal.

Plato explained the problem which YOU caused.
Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is even
smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.


| Even with the checkmark out of the box on that send tab, this message
opened up to post in html and I changed it to plain text.

.... Which has been explained by Kelly.

To be continued...
---
Jan


  #39  
Old August 8th 04, 07:46 AM
Kelly
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Default New Imformation: Also Kelly's Line 227 Left: Set IE Fonts

Chad,

I didn't mean to get you upset. IF your settings were as you claim a week
or so ago, this would not be happening, thus my thinking it was third party.
IF and when you see the html bar appear, it means that you will be posting
to the like, thus your settings aren't as you claimed.

As for attachments, that is different than posting html. Attachments can be
included via plain text and are on rare occasions here.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
It is getting old Kelly The html bar I'm seeing as explicitly and
expressly
as I can convey it is native to OE (and as you say a component of IE/XP)
and
it shows up if I click FormatRich texthtml. *It's not part of any 3rd
party app.* It's native to OE meaning IE meaning XP. My question was not
*what notepad is or where I can find it*--it was introduced in Windows 95
(and there are many free apps that are notepad on steroids like Notepad
XP)--actually two different 3rd parties have that name--

http://www.acsoftware.org/

that have 10 X the features of Notepad, but I didn't see the point of
having to test paste a link into notepad if a plain link will show up as
in
this message formatted in plain text--it just seemed like a wasted step.
But you always say things for a good reason, so I asked why and I'm still
asking why?

For whatever reason, once in a while when I open a new message or reply
message it shows up and if it does I click format and change back to plain
text and it's gone.

The ratio of times I posted in html versus plain text have been less than
.05% of posts. And I still don't understand what the **huge deal is about
posting in html*** partly for the reasons David Candy gave above, and
because bold text or underlining makes it easier than a lousy asterick to
emphasize a phrase and allow it to stand out. Italics have their place
for
the same reason you see them every where else. Are there really that many
on dial up who are *that compromised by an ocassional italic or bold
word?*
I wasn't talking about posting images or attachements, although there
should
be a mechanism for that to happen too.

On one of the Office groups, because there have been an epidemic of
problems
installing Office 2003 SP1 requiring the Resource Kit tools and
interpretation of Hotfix_MSI logs, MSFT has encouraged posting attachments
of the logs. It's the same kind of binary group as this one on the NTTP
newsreader.

Best,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Not to be rude, but this is getting old. Other than that, whatever html

bar
you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP (thus
also
meaning OE). And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the body. Notepad
is

a
simple text editor program that comes with all versions of Windows.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in
when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why. This is after several posts

in
plain text where plain text has been selected.
If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in html

it
wasn't meant to happen.

The spell checker is not on the blink. I don't use one, so I have to
watch
the typos. I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need
help
spelling. I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news, it just
drives
me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a
learning
curve) it stops on many words and software terms that aren't

misspelled.
So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from a
website
(I'm sure you mean the url here), *you should to do it in notepad

first.*
If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in OE,

in
text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks in
a
plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by opening
notepad and pasting them in there first?

Thanks,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving. ) Other than that, you
were
posting in html, until this post.

As for the latter: Whenever you copy and paste from a website - paste

it
into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm


"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Plato--

This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets is to
use
the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you see
here.

Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:

Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...smallertxt.reg

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Best,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ _____________________


"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
...
Chad Harris wrote:

There have been a number of installation errors of the July 27th

Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is
even
smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.













  #40  
Old August 8th 04, 09:50 AM
Chad Harris
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Default New Imformation: Also Kelly's Line 227 Left: Set IE Fonts

Kelly--

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this, just a
little miffed when Jan kept pushing the "lack of consideration by intent
element." I'm pretty familiar with the options tabs, although I can't
recite from rote what's on them, but after the first couple messages I
double checked to see if there was any stone I was leaving unturned, and
why in the world the html formatting bar or whatever you want to call it was
showing up. I made sure that I had the two places that address plain text
configured for it on the send tab, and went over the "plain text dialogue
box" whose options I don't claim to understand perfectly even after seeing
them contexted in the IE box--but to make sure that they wouldn't
contribute. So what I do if I see the bar is just to go to format and
select Plain Text and it goes away.

Another thing that contributed to making html posts was when the html bar
was down for whatever reason, I thought that if I wasn't going to do
anything but paste a hyperlink, (i.e. not underline or italicize or bold
type any words), then even if it had been set on html there would be
*nothing to show up as html*. Obviously, this isn't the case. I understand
from David that Ctrl+3 can give you that information and some additional
informaiton, but what puzzles me is *what would show as html or cause the
bandwidth problems if you didn't have an off-sized font and you didn't do
anything else.

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into notepad.
If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what shows up as
html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd appreciate it.

Chad

__________________________________________________ _____________________________
"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

I didn't mean to get you upset. IF your settings were as you claim a week
or so ago, this would not be happening, thus my thinking it was third party.
IF and when you see the html bar appear, it means that you will be posting
to the like, thus your settings aren't as you claimed.

As for attachments, that is different than posting html. Attachments can be
included via plain text and are on rare occasions here.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
It is getting old Kelly The html bar I'm seeing as explicitly and
expressly
as I can convey it is native to OE (and as you say a component of IE/XP)
and
it shows up if I click FormatRich texthtml. *It's not part of any 3rd
party app.* It's native to OE meaning IE meaning XP. My question was not
*what notepad is or where I can find it*--it was introduced in Windows 95
(and there are many free apps that are notepad on steroids like Notepad
XP)--actually two different 3rd parties have that name--

http://www.acsoftware.org/

that have 10 X the features of Notepad, but I didn't see the point of
having to test paste a link into notepad if a plain link will show up as
in
this message formatted in plain text--it just seemed like a wasted step.
But you always say things for a good reason, so I asked why and I'm still
asking why?

For whatever reason, once in a while when I open a new message or reply
message it shows up and if it does I click format and change back to plain
text and it's gone.

The ratio of times I posted in html versus plain text have been less than
.05% of posts. And I still don't understand what the **huge deal is about
posting in html*** partly for the reasons David Candy gave above, and
because bold text or underlining makes it easier than a lousy asterick to
emphasize a phrase and allow it to stand out. Italics have their place
for
the same reason you see them every where else. Are there really that many
on dial up who are *that compromised by an ocassional italic or bold
word?*
I wasn't talking about posting images or attachements, although there
should
be a mechanism for that to happen too.

On one of the Office groups, because there have been an epidemic of
problems
installing Office 2003 SP1 requiring the Resource Kit tools and
interpretation of Hotfix_MSI logs, MSFT has encouraged posting attachments
of the logs. It's the same kind of binary group as this one on the NTTP
newsreader.

Best,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Not to be rude, but this is getting old. Other than that, whatever html

bar
you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP (thus
also
meaning OE). And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the body. Notepad
is

a
simple text editor program that comes with all versions of Windows.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in
when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why. This is after several posts

in
plain text where plain text has been selected.
If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in html

it
wasn't meant to happen.

The spell checker is not on the blink. I don't use one, so I have to
watch
the typos. I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need
help
spelling. I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news, it just
drives
me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a
learning
curve) it stops on many words and software terms that aren't

misspelled.
So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from a
website
(I'm sure you mean the url here), *you should to do it in notepad

first.*
If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in OE,

in
text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks in
a
plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by opening
notepad and pasting them in there first?

Thanks,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving. ) Other than that, you
were
posting in html, until this post.

As for the latter: Whenever you copy and paste from a website - paste

it
into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm


"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Plato--

This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets is to
use
the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you see
here.

Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:

Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...smallertxt.reg

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Best,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ _____________________


"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
...
Chad Harris wrote:

There have been a number of installation errors of the July 27th

Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is
even
smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.












  #41  
Old August 8th 04, 02:16 PM
Incognitus
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default HTML in Newsgroups

Where did I suggest that this setting would strip pasted HTML, where did I
even comment on copy, pasting or even Notepad for that matter?

I intentionally snipped everything except the part I replied to, which was:
"I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why."

Which will happen when the setting I mentioned is checked and you're
replying to a HTML message.

BTW, those "*" in your reply, are they head jerks? =)


"+-J" wrote in message
...
Incognitus,

This setting will *not* strip HTML markup from "pasted HTML".
However, pasting HTML into Notepad first *will* strip the HTML markup.
Then copy the resulting TEXT from Notepad into OE.
---
Jan


"Incognitus" wrote:
|
| "Chad Harris" wrote:
| Kelly--
| I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in

when I get ready to reply and I don't know why.
|
|
| Tools | Options | Send and uncheck 'Reply to messages using the format

in which they were sent'



  #42  
Old August 8th 04, 02:27 PM
David Candy
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default HTML in Newsgroups

Cause it will strip pasted html. One would need to change the format to =
html to keep the pasted html.
The strip happens when the mail is sent.
--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html

"Incognitus" wrote in message =
...
Where did I suggest that this setting would strip pasted HTML, where =

did I
even comment on copy, pasting or even Notepad for that matter?
=20
I intentionally snipped everything except the part I replied to, which =

was:
"I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks =

in when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why."
=20
Which will happen when the setting I mentioned is checked and you're
replying to a HTML message.
=20
BTW, those "*" in your reply, are they head jerks? =3D)
=20
=20
"+-J" wrote in message
...
Incognitus,

This setting will *not* strip HTML markup from "pasted HTML".
However, pasting HTML into Notepad first *will* strip the HTML =

markup.
Then copy the resulting TEXT from Notepad into OE.
---
Jan


"Incognitus" wrote:
|
| "Chad Harris" wrote:
| Kelly--
| I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar =

kicks in
when I get ready to reply and I don't know why.
|
|
| Tools | Options | Send and uncheck 'Reply to messages using the =

format
in which they were sent'



  #43  
Old August 8th 04, 04:41 PM
Incognitus
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default HTML in Newsgroups

Thanks David, I wasn't arguing whether are not the setting would or wouldn't
strip pasted html, but rather to the fact that I didn't say it would, even
if it does.

"David Candy" wrote in message
...
Cause it will strip pasted html. One would need to change the format to html
to keep the pasted html.
The strip happens when the mail is sent.
--
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html

"Incognitus" wrote in message
...
Where did I suggest that this setting would strip pasted HTML, where did I
even comment on copy, pasting or even Notepad for that matter?

I intentionally snipped everything except the part I replied to, which

was:
"I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in

when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why."

Which will happen when the setting I mentioned is checked and you're
replying to a HTML message.

BTW, those "*" in your reply, are they head jerks? =)


"+-J" wrote in message
...
Incognitus,

This setting will *not* strip HTML markup from "pasted HTML".
However, pasting HTML into Notepad first *will* strip the HTML markup.
Then copy the resulting TEXT from Notepad into OE.
---
Jan


"Incognitus" wrote:
|
| "Chad Harris" wrote:
| Kelly--
| I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks

in
when I get ready to reply and I don't know why.
|
|
| Tools | Options | Send and uncheck 'Reply to messages using the format

in which they were sent'




  #44  
Old August 8th 04, 09:22 PM
+-J
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default HTML in Newsgroups


What?

Well, Chad is it?
---
Jan

"Incognitus" wrote:
| Thanks David, I wasn't arguing whether are not the setting would or wouldn't
| strip pasted html, but rather to the fact that I didn't say it would, even
| if it does.
|
| "David Candy" wrote in message
| ...
| Cause it will strip pasted html. One would need to change the format to html
| to keep the pasted html.
| The strip happens when the mail is sent.
| --
| ----------------------------------------------------------
| 'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
| http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html
|
| "Incognitus" wrote in message
| ...
| Where did I suggest that this setting would strip pasted HTML, where did I
| even comment on copy, pasting or even Notepad for that matter?
|
| I intentionally snipped everything except the part I replied to, which
| was:
| "I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in
| when
| I get ready to reply and I don't know why."
|
| Which will happen when the setting I mentioned is checked and you're
| replying to a HTML message.
|
| BTW, those "*" in your reply, are they head jerks? =)
|
|
| "+-J" wrote in message
| ...
| Incognitus,
|
| This setting will *not* strip HTML markup from "pasted HTML".
| However, pasting HTML into Notepad first *will* strip the HTML markup.
| Then copy the resulting TEXT from Notepad into OE.
| ---
| Jan
|
|
| "Incognitus" wrote:
| |
| | "Chad Harris" wrote:
| | Kelly--
| | I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks
| in
| when I get ready to reply and I don't know why.
| |
| |
| | Tools | Options | Send and uncheck 'Reply to messages using the format
| in which they were sent'
|
|
|
|


  #45  
Old August 8th 04, 09:41 PM
+-J
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default 127.0.0.2 of The RIOT ACT


Chad,

- - The story so far - -

Kelly to Chad:
... html?

-later-
... you were posting in html, until this post.


Jan to Plato:
I fail to see why people insist on posting in HTML (or even write eMails in HTML).


Chad to Kelly:
I still don't understand what the **huge deal is about posting in html***


Chad to Ken Blake:
I fail to see why people go nuts when you post in html...

-later-
"Go nuts" is too strong a word but people are going to jump up and down if you use HTML that much I'm certain.



Neither Kelly nor I "made a huge deal", "went nuts" or "jumped up and down" about posting in HTML.

Also, in my part of the world, the expression "Go nuts" actually seems to consist of two (2) words, not one.


- - the story continues - -

Chad wrote:
| 1) Why is posting in html a huge deal?

--1. Bandwidth - As has been explained over the years in these newsgroups by Ken Blake (see adjacent excellent reply by him) and
several other people well versed in HTML.

To see the overhead of HTML markup in your post:

1. Message | New Mesage |
2. Format | Rich Text (HTML) | [Edit]
3. Click in the text area, and type a word.
4. [Source]
5. Look at all the pretty colours. This the overhead for HTML.
6. [Edit]
7, Click the [b] button
8. Type another word in the text area.
9. [Source]
10. Look at the result.
11. [Edit]
12. Now view Kelly's webpage again.
13. Copy that snippet of text.
14. Paste that snippet of text.
15. [Source]
16. Look at all the pretty colours. See the overhead for that snippet of text.

--2. "Eye candy" (or for non-Americans, visual pollution) is enjoyed about as much as spam is.

You seem to be obsessed with using StyleXP and other unapproved third-party applications on steroids which trash your XP SP 2.

Start with a clean slate - stop using StyleXP.

This is *not* a forum for publishing academic dissertations.

Nobody likes YOUR choice of font-(family|size|style) or (fore|back)ground-colours.


| I can site (sic)

Consult the "Concise Oxford Dictionary" for the meanings of the following homonyms...
CITE, SIGHT and SITE

To be continued...
---
Jan


 




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