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  #31  
Old March 26th 09, 07:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
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Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

Never mind: Apparently you're talking about the screen display of
fragmentation is represented on the disk. Yes, those are pretty
inaccurate. I do recall a time you could tell what file each legend on
the screen represented, but that went the way of the dinosaur when
drives got so large.

Cheers,

Twayne



Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over Windows
built-in tool?

regards
Leo

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 3965 (20090326) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com





If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free one.
It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough.

I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag
graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process overall.
There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever shows is that
the computer is doing something. Accurate it most definitely isn't..




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  #32  
Old March 26th 09, 07:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
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Posts: 4,276
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

Never mind: Apparently you're talking about the screen display of
fragmentation is represented on the disk. Yes, those are pretty
inaccurate. I do recall a time you could tell what file each legend on
the screen represented, but that went the way of the dinosaur when
drives got so large.

Cheers,

Twayne



Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over Windows
built-in tool?

regards
Leo

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 3965 (20090326) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com





If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free one.
It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough.

I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag
graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process overall.
There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever shows is that
the computer is doing something. Accurate it most definitely isn't..




  #33  
Old March 26th 09, 08:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Big_Al
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Posts: 1,430
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 2:51 PM:
Never mind: Apparently you're talking about the screen display of
fragmentation is represented on the disk. Yes, those are pretty
inaccurate. I do recall a time you could tell what file each legend on
the screen represented, but that went the way of the dinosaur when
drives got so large.

Cheers,

Twayne



Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over Windows
built-in tool?

regards
Leo

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 3965 (20090326) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com




If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free one.
It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough.

I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag
graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process overall.
There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever shows is that
the computer is doing something. Accurate it most definitely isn't..




Actually the O&O defrag tool lets you click on any of the boxes in its
graphical display and it will list the files in that cluster. I find
it quite nice.
  #34  
Old March 26th 09, 08:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Big_Al
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Posts: 1,430
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 2:51 PM:
Never mind: Apparently you're talking about the screen display of
fragmentation is represented on the disk. Yes, those are pretty
inaccurate. I do recall a time you could tell what file each legend on
the screen represented, but that went the way of the dinosaur when
drives got so large.

Cheers,

Twayne



Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over Windows
built-in tool?

regards
Leo

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 3965 (20090326) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com




If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free one.
It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough.

I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag
graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process overall.
There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever shows is that
the computer is doing something. Accurate it most definitely isn't..




Actually the O&O defrag tool lets you click on any of the boxes in its
graphical display and it will list the files in that cluster. I find
it quite nice.
  #35  
Old March 26th 09, 08:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
JS
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Posts: 6,475
Default Defrag Tools

Default (4K)

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

What was the cluster size on the FAT32 partition?

--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



JS wrote:
Thanks,
I'll try it on one of my NTFS partitions.


"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

No not normally but all my testing has been on NTFS formatted disks.
It has never taken an exceptionally long time. My disks would never,
however, present the type of challenge that I have seen others bring
to these newsgroups. BTW Defraggler works equally well in Vista but
most of my use has been with Windows XP.

If you have multi fragmented very large files I would tackle the
small files before taking on a big one. Also eliminate temporary
files using cCleaner first. It is quite a bit quicker than Disk
Defragmenter --


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
Gerry

Based on your earlier post I downloaded
Defraggler to evaluate it also.

The test PC had a clean install of XP SP3
plus a bunch of test and diagnostic utilities
as this is a new PC I just finished building.

Drive is FAT32 with 26% used and highly
fragmented. Running Defraggler now and it
taking what appears to be an awful long time
an still is only 50% complete.

Do you find that Defraggler is also slow?


"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Leo

None that are worth paying for! In most situations the Disk
Defragmenter coming with Windows XP does a perfectly adequate job.
Remember it is important to run Disk CleanUp ( or better still
cCleaner ) before Disk Defragmenter to get the best results.

Where there is a large fragmented file and limited free disk space
Defraggler is useful. You can defragment individual files.

An interesting relatively new entrant to the market is Defraggler
(freeware for home users) which I am currently testing. It is worth
looking at and does not with any negative reports. It also comes
from the software house providing cCleaner:
http://www.defraggler.com/features


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




...... wrote:
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over
Windows built-in tool?

regards
Leo





  #36  
Old March 26th 09, 08:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
JS
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Posts: 6,475
Default Defrag Tools

Default (4K)

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

What was the cluster size on the FAT32 partition?

--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



JS wrote:
Thanks,
I'll try it on one of my NTFS partitions.


"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

No not normally but all my testing has been on NTFS formatted disks.
It has never taken an exceptionally long time. My disks would never,
however, present the type of challenge that I have seen others bring
to these newsgroups. BTW Defraggler works equally well in Vista but
most of my use has been with Windows XP.

If you have multi fragmented very large files I would tackle the
small files before taking on a big one. Also eliminate temporary
files using cCleaner first. It is quite a bit quicker than Disk
Defragmenter --


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
Gerry

Based on your earlier post I downloaded
Defraggler to evaluate it also.

The test PC had a clean install of XP SP3
plus a bunch of test and diagnostic utilities
as this is a new PC I just finished building.

Drive is FAT32 with 26% used and highly
fragmented. Running Defraggler now and it
taking what appears to be an awful long time
an still is only 50% complete.

Do you find that Defraggler is also slow?


"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Leo

None that are worth paying for! In most situations the Disk
Defragmenter coming with Windows XP does a perfectly adequate job.
Remember it is important to run Disk CleanUp ( or better still
cCleaner ) before Disk Defragmenter to get the best results.

Where there is a large fragmented file and limited free disk space
Defraggler is useful. You can defragment individual files.

An interesting relatively new entrant to the market is Defraggler
(freeware for home users) which I am currently testing. It is worth
looking at and does not with any negative reports. It also comes
from the software house providing cCleaner:
http://www.defraggler.com/features


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




...... wrote:
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over
Windows built-in tool?

regards
Leo





  #37  
Old March 26th 09, 08:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Mike Hall - MVP
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Posts: 402
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

"Big_Al" wrote in message
...
Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 2:51 PM:
Never mind: Apparently you're talking about the screen display of
fragmentation is represented on the disk. Yes, those are pretty
inaccurate. I do recall a time you could tell what file each legend on
the screen represented, but that went the way of the dinosaur when drives
got so large.

Cheers,

Twayne



Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over Windows
built-in tool?

regards
Leo

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 3965 (20090326) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com




If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free one.
It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough.

I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag
graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process overall.
There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever shows is that
the computer is doing something. Accurate it most definitely isn't..




Actually the O&O defrag tool lets you click on any of the boxes in its
graphical display and it will list the files in that cluster. I find
it quite nice.



Yes, but displaying that graphic puts even more load on the system.
Defragging can take enough out without having the visual sitting on the pile
too..


--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

  #38  
Old March 26th 09, 08:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Mike Hall - MVP
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Posts: 402
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

"Big_Al" wrote in message
...
Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 2:51 PM:
Never mind: Apparently you're talking about the screen display of
fragmentation is represented on the disk. Yes, those are pretty
inaccurate. I do recall a time you could tell what file each legend on
the screen represented, but that went the way of the dinosaur when drives
got so large.

Cheers,

Twayne



Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over Windows
built-in tool?

regards
Leo

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 3965 (20090326) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com




If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free one.
It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough.

I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag
graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process overall.
There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever shows is that
the computer is doing something. Accurate it most definitely isn't..




Actually the O&O defrag tool lets you click on any of the boxes in its
graphical display and it will list the files in that cluster. I find
it quite nice.



Yes, but displaying that graphic puts even more load on the system.
Defragging can take enough out without having the visual sitting on the pile
too..


--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

  #39  
Old March 26th 09, 08:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Mike Hall - MVP
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Posts: 402
Default Defrag Tools

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Mike

There is no benefit to a defrag graphic.

There is a benefit. Seeing something happening reassures the user and
counters problems resulting from user frustration. The user is less
tempted to interupt the process.


--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over Windows
built-in tool?

regards
Leo

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 3965 (20090326) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com





If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free one.
It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough.

I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag
graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process overall.
There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever shows is that
the computer is doing something. Accurate it most definitely isn't..





Agreed in principle. I think that the Diskeeper guys got it right. By
default, numbers are all you see. If you want a graphic, you can select the
option, but when large files have to be moved, the numbers come back until
the end, and is if by magic, the graphic re-appears..

Wahhhhhhhhh.. there are big gaps between everything. It hasn't worked.. :-)

Central Point has a lot to answer for, don't you think. Mind you, in the
days of DOS defraggers, it was nice to see a graphic, I guess..


--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

  #40  
Old March 26th 09, 08:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Mike Hall - MVP
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 402
Default Defrag Tools

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Mike

There is no benefit to a defrag graphic.

There is a benefit. Seeing something happening reassures the user and
counters problems resulting from user frustration. The user is less
tempted to interupt the process.


--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over Windows
built-in tool?

regards
Leo

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 3965 (20090326) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com





If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free one.
It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough.

I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag
graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process overall.
There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever shows is that
the computer is doing something. Accurate it most definitely isn't..





Agreed in principle. I think that the Diskeeper guys got it right. By
default, numbers are all you see. If you want a graphic, you can select the
option, but when large files have to be moved, the numbers come back until
the end, and is if by magic, the graphic re-appears..

Wahhhhhhhhh.. there are big gaps between everything. It hasn't worked.. :-)

Central Point has a lot to answer for, don't you think. Mind you, in the
days of DOS defraggers, it was nice to see a graphic, I guess..


--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

  #41  
Old March 27th 09, 12:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
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Posts: 4,276
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

Big_Al wrote:
Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 2:51 PM:
Never mind: Apparently you're talking about the screen display of
fragmentation is represented on the disk. Yes, those are pretty
inaccurate. I do recall a time you could tell what file each legend
on the screen represented, but that went the way of the dinosaur when
drives got so large.

Cheers,

Twayne



Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over Windows
built-in tool?

regards
Leo

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 3965 (20090326) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com




If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free one.
It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough.

I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag
graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process overall.
There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever shows is that
the computer is doing something. Accurate it most definitely isn't..




Actually the O&O defrag tool lets you click on any of the boxes in its
graphical display and it will list the files in that cluster. I
find it quite nice.


O&O? What's its branded name? I might like to look at that but can't
find anything similar to O&O.
Thanks,
Twayne


  #42  
Old March 27th 09, 12:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,276
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

Big_Al wrote:
Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 2:51 PM:
Never mind: Apparently you're talking about the screen display of
fragmentation is represented on the disk. Yes, those are pretty
inaccurate. I do recall a time you could tell what file each legend
on the screen represented, but that went the way of the dinosaur when
drives got so large.

Cheers,

Twayne



Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over Windows
built-in tool?

regards
Leo

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 3965 (20090326) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com




If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free one.
It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough.

I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag
graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process overall.
There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever shows is that
the computer is doing something. Accurate it most definitely isn't..




Actually the O&O defrag tool lets you click on any of the boxes in its
graphical display and it will list the files in that cluster. I
find it quite nice.


O&O? What's its branded name? I might like to look at that but can't
find anything similar to O&O.
Thanks,
Twayne


  #43  
Old March 27th 09, 12:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,276
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"Big_Al" wrote in message
...
Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 2:51 PM:
Never mind: Apparently you're talking about the screen display of
fragmentation is represented on the disk. Yes, those are pretty
inaccurate. I do recall a time you could tell what file each
legend on the screen represented, but that went the way of the
dinosaur when drives got so large.

Cheers,

Twayne



Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over
Windows built-in tool?

regards
Leo

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 3965 (20090326) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com




If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free
one. It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough.

I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag
graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process overall.
There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever shows is that
the computer is doing something. Accurate it most definitely
isn't..



Actually the O&O defrag tool lets you click on any of the boxes in
its graphical display and it will list the files in that cluster. I
find it quite nice.



Yes, but displaying that graphic puts even more load on the system.
Defragging can take enough out without having the visual sitting on
the pile too..


True enough; besides, there are more intersting/productive things to do
that stare at a screen full of little blocks disappearing/appearing and
changing colorsg. That's like watching water boil!

Twayne


  #44  
Old March 27th 09, 12:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,276
Default Never mind! Defrag Tools

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"Big_Al" wrote in message
...
Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 2:51 PM:
Never mind: Apparently you're talking about the screen display of
fragmentation is represented on the disk. Yes, those are pretty
inaccurate. I do recall a time you could tell what file each
legend on the screen represented, but that went the way of the
dinosaur when drives got so large.

Cheers,

Twayne



Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over
Windows built-in tool?

regards
Leo

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 3965 (20090326) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com




If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free
one. It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough.

I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag
graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process overall.
There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever shows is that
the computer is doing something. Accurate it most definitely
isn't..



Actually the O&O defrag tool lets you click on any of the boxes in
its graphical display and it will list the files in that cluster. I
find it quite nice.



Yes, but displaying that graphic puts even more load on the system.
Defragging can take enough out without having the visual sitting on
the pile too..


True enough; besides, there are more intersting/productive things to do
that stare at a screen full of little blocks disappearing/appearing and
changing colorsg. That's like watching water boil!

Twayne


  #45  
Old March 27th 09, 12:51 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
ColTom2
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Posts: 589
Default Defrag Tools

Sorta strange that no one has mentioned PowerDefragger Version: 3.0, Very
simple, fast and best of all, free file/folder/drive defragmentation tool.
Core engine is powered by Sysinternals/Microsoft Contig
(http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...bb897428.aspx).

Download:
http://cid-94a12102e5094675.skydrive...fragmenter.zip

Try it...you might like it.

ColTom2

"......" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)?
Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over Windows
built-in tool?

regards
Leo


 




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