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Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors
Win19 desktop settings will show the 3 monitors 1, 2, & 3.
But so far Win10 will only let 2 monitors work at any one time. It seems I can change to any two monitors but not all three. Is a setup issue or a fundamental limitation? Display 1 is connected by a HDMI cable. Display 2 is connected by a VGA cable. Display 3 is connected by a DVI cable. Advanced Settings Display 1 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 2 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 3 is 1280x1024, 60Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. |
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Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors
Jean Fredette posted:
Display 1 is connected by a HDMI cable. Display 2 is connected by a VGA cable. Display 3 is connected by a DVI cable. Advanced Settings Display 1 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 2 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 3 is 1280x1024, 60Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Windows 10, not Win19. And I mixed up the display numbers & resolution. (Windows doesn't show display numbers in the order on my desk!) Display 1 is HDMI 1920x1090 60Hz 8-bit RGB SDR. Display 2 is DVI 1680x1050 59Hz 8-bit RGB SDR. Display 3 is VGA 2280x1024 60Hz 8-bit RGB SDR. Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors |
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Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors
Jean Fredette wrote:
Jean Fredette posted: Display 1 is connected by a HDMI cable. Display 2 is connected by a VGA cable. Display 3 is connected by a DVI cable. Advanced Settings Display 1 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 2 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 3 is 1280x1024, 60Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Windows 10, not Win19. And I mixed up the display numbers & resolution. (Windows doesn't show display numbers in the order on my desk!) Display 1 is HDMI 1920x1090 60Hz 8-bit RGB SDR. Display 2 is DVI 1680x1050 59Hz 8-bit RGB SDR. Display 3 is VGA 2280x1024 60Hz 8-bit RGB SDR. Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors Windows can readily support several monitors. I would check the card. Often they can't drive all outputs simultaneously. |
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Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors
Jean Fredette wrote:
Jean Fredette posted: Display 1 is connected by a HDMI cable. Display 2 is connected by a VGA cable. Display 3 is connected by a DVI cable. Advanced Settings Display 1 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 2 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 3 is 1280x1024, 60Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Windows 10, not Win19. And I mixed up the display numbers & resolution. (Windows doesn't show display numbers in the order on my desk!) Display 1 is HDMI 1920x1090 60Hz 8-bit RGB SDR. Display 2 is DVI 1680x1050 59Hz 8-bit RGB SDR. Display 3 is VGA 2280x1024 60Hz 8-bit RGB SDR. Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors The OS can tell you, but by then it's too late to avoid purchasing the monitor. Mine put up a warning here, when I tried to add the third monitor to my 7900GT. That card was selected in the hope that being old enough, it would display behaviors consistent with its "dual pipe, three connector" design. I tested under Windows 10. https://i.postimg.cc/kXbxqBdw/video-...its-limits.gif NVidia has a web page with a list of cards that support Surround, but I suspect the list isn't regularly maintained and might be missing the latest cards offered for sale. The code on the web page is also busted. The Geforce210 is "too low of a SKU" to be on the list. Perhaps a Geforce260 has Surround. Surround allows one display pipe on the card, to drive three monitors, as long as the monitors all use the same resolution setting. _____ Display-pipe ____ mon+mon+mon [The NVidia equivalent | to AMD Eyefinity] video_card ---+ |_____ Display-pipe ____ mon+mon+mon +--+--+--+ Each mon has | | | | same resolution +--+--+--+ setting. You can see this sometimes, if adding monitors and the "default" res for one monitor is set the same as the monitor that was detected before it. The driver has all sorts of fun behaviors too numerous to document. (Such as the Windows resolution dialog doing the monitor detection, while the NVidia control panel refuses to recognize hot-plug events in real time.) It's really just one giant kludge, intended to cause hair loss. We know: 1) The Geforce210 is newer than my card (7900GT). Great. 2) The Geforce210 is not in the list of "Surround-capable" video cards. 3) The newer cards *might* be divorcing themselves from "dual Display Pipe", because the Device Manager no longer shows two entries per video card. But who can be sure. Maybe showing one entry is just a tiny difference caused by the driver change from wdm to xddm to wddm. Who really knows unless they document stuff like this... And the funny part is, some of the newer Intel chipsets which use the GPU inside the CPU package for their graphics, they support three monitors (without surround and presumably with the usual Dual Pipe implementation). So what the hell is Intel doing ? Is the Intel implementation different than NVidia/AMD ? Again, who can say. I tried to trace that one down, and gave up after half a dozen less-than-helpful Intel web pages. So Intel seems to know how to do that, and with less theatrics than the other two companies. But I haven't found the breadcrumbs of how it works. And whether it actually requires two of the monitors to be using the same resolution as one another. +--+ +----+----+ [Three monitors on Intel | | | | | integrated GPU???] +--+ | | | +----+----+ [This is my unconfirmed guess] Paul |
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Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors
Paul posted:
1) The Geforce210 is newer than my card (7900GT). Great. 2) The Geforce210 is not in the list of "Surround-capable" video cards. Thank you for that i.postimg.cc saying 'This GPU supports up to 2 displays' and for the Intel information. The Nvidia icon in the task bar said it was version 341.74 and clicking on the 'driver update' brought up this web page. https://www.geforce.com/drivers/resu...4/nvidiaupdate That downloaded 342.01-desktop-win8-win7-winvista-64bit-international.exe https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windo...ernational.exe Which I installed and rebooted. Following your lead I then re-ran the NVIDIA control panel client C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\Control Panel Client\nvcplui.exe And selected under Display to 'Set up multiple displays' But when I clicked on the third display I got the same warning you did. 'This GPU supports up to 2 displays.' https://i.postimg.cc/3Nyhdhzy/Screenshot-2895.jpg Windows shows 3 displays but only any two will work so far. https://i.postimg.cc/mgCQ7sBH/Screenshot-2894.jpg The Nvidia Geforce 210 has DVI, HDMI & VGA connectors. The AMD Phenom II motherboard also has DVI & VGA connectors. Maybe I can move the third monitor to the motherboard? |
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Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors
Jean Fredette wrote:
Paul posted: 1) The Geforce210 is newer than my card (7900GT). Great. 2) The Geforce210 is not in the list of "Surround-capable" video cards. Thank you for that i.postimg.cc saying 'This GPU supports up to 2 displays' and for the Intel information. The Nvidia icon in the task bar said it was version 341.74 and clicking on the 'driver update' brought up this web page. https://www.geforce.com/drivers/resu...4/nvidiaupdate That downloaded 342.01-desktop-win8-win7-winvista-64bit-international.exe https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windo...ernational.exe Which I installed and rebooted. Following your lead I then re-ran the NVIDIA control panel client C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\Control Panel Client\nvcplui.exe And selected under Display to 'Set up multiple displays' But when I clicked on the third display I got the same warning you did. 'This GPU supports up to 2 displays.' https://i.postimg.cc/3Nyhdhzy/Screenshot-2895.jpg Windows shows 3 displays but only any two will work so far. https://i.postimg.cc/mgCQ7sBH/Screenshot-2894.jpg The Nvidia Geforce 210 has DVI, HDMI & VGA connectors. The AMD Phenom II motherboard also has DVI & VGA connectors. Maybe I can move the third monitor to the motherboard? You can try. At first, plugging in a video card would auto-disable the chipset GPU. Then an era came along, where you could run both. Which would be my first response, that "yes, it'll work for you". But I was reading an Intel GPU (inside CPU) article the other day, which claimed it "auto-disables" when a video card is plugged in. And I'm going "no way, is this 1980 or something?". Now either that article was referring to hardware in the AGP era, or, it's a new development that they decided to do it that way again. In the AGP era, I heard mumbling that "there can only be one AGP GART". That's a remapper table that fetches textures for games from disparate parts of main memory and makes them look like "one large table". In the PCI Express era, there is some equivalent function, but it offers the freedom of having more than one table as far as I know. So that shouldn't be the reason for this "auto-disables" thing. The BIOS sometimes has a "priority setting", where you can tell the BIOS to "look for a video card first" as a hint as to which monitor should have the BIOS display on it. But the OS should have the freedom to do what it wants, via the Display control panel, in terms of repositioning N displays horizontally or vertically. Or in the case of monitors with the little ball bearing in the back, even auto-detecting the rotation of the monitor to the portrait position. All I can tell you, is "give it a try", as I suspect the era is right for it to work. No guarantees though, because this crap is "like the weather, never twice the same". Paul |
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Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors
On 11/1/2019 4:37 AM, Jean Fredette wrote:
Win19 desktop settings will show the 3 monitors 1, 2, & 3. But so far Win10 will only let 2 monitors work at any one time. It seems I can change to any two monitors but not all three. Is a setup issue or a fundamental limitation? Display 1 is connected by a HDMI cable. Display 2 is connected by a VGA cable. Display 3 is connected by a DVI cable. Advanced Settings Display 1 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 2 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 3 is 1280x1024, 60Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. All recent versions of Windows supports 9 (or is it 10?) monitors. The issue is not with Windows. How many monitors your computer can support depends on what video cards (note the plural "cards"--you can have more than one) you have installed and whether your motherboard can also support a monitor. Most video cards support either one or two monitors, so unless you have one that supports more or have a motherboard that supports one, you are limited to the number of video cards your video card supports. The NVidia GeForce 210 s apparently has three video ports but only supports two monitors at a time. So unless your motherboard can also support a monitor, the only way for you to run three monitors is to buy and install a second video card. -- Ken |
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Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors
Ken Blake posted:
On 11/1/2019 4:37 AM, Jean Fredette wrote: Win19 desktop settings will show the 3 monitors 1, 2, & 3. But so far Win10 will only let 2 monitors work at any one time. It seems I can change to any two monitors but not all three. Is a setup issue or a fundamental limitation? Display 1 is connected by a HDMI cable. Display 2 is connected by a VGA cable. Display 3 is connected by a DVI cable. Advanced Settings Display 1 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 2 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 3 is 1280x1024, 60Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. All recent versions of Windows supports 9 (or is it 10?) monitors. The issue is not with Windows. How many monitors your computer can support depends on what video cards (note the plural "cards"--you can have more than one) you have installed and whether your motherboard can also support a monitor. Most video cards support either one or two monitors, so unless you have one that supports more or have a motherboard that supports one, you are limited to the number of video cards your video card supports. The NVidia GeForce 210 s apparently has three video ports but only supports two monitors at a time. So unless your motherboard can also support a monitor, the only way for you to run three monitors is to buy and install a second video card. I removed the VGA from the Nvidia GeForce 210 and plugged that cable into the AMD motherboard. The instant I removed the VGA from the Nvidia card, the Windows 10 Settings Display disappeared the third adaptor so Windows "knows" that the third display exists. Plugging that third VGA into the AMD motherboard, which has VGA and DVI, didn't do anything yet. It did not show up as a third display in the Win10 settings either. Maybe there's a switch somewhere to flip? |
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Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:57:06 -0600, Jean Fredette
wrote: Ken Blake posted: On 11/1/2019 4:37 AM, Jean Fredette wrote: Win19 desktop settings will show the 3 monitors 1, 2, & 3. But so far Win10 will only let 2 monitors work at any one time. It seems I can change to any two monitors but not all three. Is a setup issue or a fundamental limitation? Display 1 is connected by a HDMI cable. Display 2 is connected by a VGA cable. Display 3 is connected by a DVI cable. Advanced Settings Display 1 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 2 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 3 is 1280x1024, 60Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. All recent versions of Windows supports 9 (or is it 10?) monitors. The issue is not with Windows. How many monitors your computer can support depends on what video cards (note the plural "cards"--you can have more than one) you have installed and whether your motherboard can also support a monitor. Most video cards support either one or two monitors, so unless you have one that supports more or have a motherboard that supports one, you are limited to the number of video cards your video card supports. The NVidia GeForce 210 s apparently has three video ports but only supports two monitors at a time. So unless your motherboard can also support a monitor, the only way for you to run three monitors is to buy and install a second video card. I removed the VGA from the Nvidia GeForce 210 and plugged that cable into the AMD motherboard. The instant I removed the VGA from the Nvidia card, the Windows 10 Settings Display disappeared the third adaptor so Windows "knows" that the third display exists. Plugging that third VGA into the AMD motherboard, which has VGA and DVI, didn't do anything yet. It did not show up as a third display in the Win10 settings either. Maybe there's a switch somewhere to flip? Does your CPU include a GPU? Not all of them do, and if there's no GPU then it doesn't do you any good to have video connectors on the motherboard. |
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Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors
Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:57:06 -0600, Jean Fredette wrote: Ken Blake posted: On 11/1/2019 4:37 AM, Jean Fredette wrote: Win19 desktop settings will show the 3 monitors 1, 2, & 3. But so far Win10 will only let 2 monitors work at any one time. It seems I can change to any two monitors but not all three. Is a setup issue or a fundamental limitation? Display 1 is connected by a HDMI cable. Display 2 is connected by a VGA cable. Display 3 is connected by a DVI cable. Advanced Settings Display 1 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 2 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 3 is 1280x1024, 60Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. All recent versions of Windows supports 9 (or is it 10?) monitors. The issue is not with Windows. How many monitors your computer can support depends on what video cards (note the plural "cards"--you can have more than one) you have installed and whether your motherboard can also support a monitor. Most video cards support either one or two monitors, so unless you have one that supports more or have a motherboard that supports one, you are limited to the number of video cards your video card supports. The NVidia GeForce 210 s apparently has three video ports but only supports two monitors at a time. So unless your motherboard can also support a monitor, the only way for you to run three monitors is to buy and install a second video card. I removed the VGA from the Nvidia GeForce 210 and plugged that cable into the AMD motherboard. The instant I removed the VGA from the Nvidia card, the Windows 10 Settings Display disappeared the third adaptor so Windows "knows" that the third display exists. Plugging that third VGA into the AMD motherboard, which has VGA and DVI, didn't do anything yet. It did not show up as a third display in the Win10 settings either. Maybe there's a switch somewhere to flip? Does your CPU include a GPU? Not all of them do, and if there's no GPU then it doesn't do you any good to have video connectors on the motherboard. With a Phenom II, that's not an APU, so the Northbridge has the GPU inside it. The Phenom II likely has six cores, which are split (for power management), into two 1x3 groups. That's a lot of silicon, leaving little space to be adding a GPU. An example of a chipset, might be a 785G or a 780G. The 785G is a better one. Support-wise, they'd both be orphans now, but the 785G was better hardware (UVD2?). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ocessing_units The article here, compares a couple chipsets, and there is a 785G block diagram. https://www.extremeoverclocking.com/...RO_USB3_2.html On the AMD chipset (where CPU is a "pure" CPU), the GPU in the Northbridge has both the shaders, as well as the lookup table for the 400MHz bandwidth VGA outputs. Whereas on the combo Intel CPU/GPU chips, the chipset still has the final output stage driving the connectors. If you buy a socket-compatible Intel CPU which happens to have no GPU in it, the Northbridge is still sitting there with VGA/DVI/HDMI to drive, but there are no signals coming from the CPU package to make it work. And then you plug in a video card, to be able to use the machine. ******* The motherboard user manuals, don't usually do a good job of accurately describing the options. There have been mistakes in that section of the manual (specifically, about how many monitors work, or if you use the DVI-I connector, the VGA stops working, and all sorts of other stupid ****). Paul |
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Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors
Paul posted:
Char Jackson wrote: On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:57:06 -0600, Jean Fredette wrote: Ken Blake posted: On 11/1/2019 4:37 AM, Jean Fredette wrote: Win19 desktop settings will show the 3 monitors 1, 2, & 3. But so far Win10 will only let 2 monitors work at any one time. It seems I can change to any two monitors but not all three. Is a setup issue or a fundamental limitation? Display 1 is connected by a HDMI cable. Display 2 is connected by a VGA cable. Display 3 is connected by a DVI cable. Advanced Settings Display 1 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 2 is 1680x1050, 59Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. Display 3 is 1280x1024, 60Hz, 8bit, RGB, SDR. All recent versions of Windows supports 9 (or is it 10?) monitors. The issue is not with Windows. How many monitors your computer can support depends on what video cards (note the plural "cards"--you can have more than one) you have installed and whether your motherboard can also support a monitor. Most video cards support either one or two monitors, so unless you have one that supports more or have a motherboard that supports one, you are limited to the number of video cards your video card supports. The NVidia GeForce 210 s apparently has three video ports but only supports two monitors at a time. So unless your motherboard can also support a monitor, the only way for you to run three monitors is to buy and install a second video card. I removed the VGA from the Nvidia GeForce 210 and plugged that cable into the AMD motherboard. The instant I removed the VGA from the Nvidia card, the Windows 10 Settings Display disappeared the third adaptor so Windows "knows" that the third display exists. Plugging that third VGA into the AMD motherboard, which has VGA and DVI, didn't do anything yet. It did not show up as a third display in the Win10 settings either. Maybe there's a switch somewhere to flip? Does your CPU include a GPU? Not all of them do, and if there's no GPU then it doesn't do you any good to have video connectors on the motherboard. With a Phenom II, that's not an APU, so the Northbridge has the GPU inside it. The Phenom II likely has six cores, which are split (for power management), into two 1x3 groups. That's a lot of silicon, leaving little space to be adding a GPU. An example of a chipset, might be a 785G or a 780G. The 785G is a better one. Support-wise, they'd both be orphans now, but the 785G was better hardware (UVD2?). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ocessing_units The article here, compares a couple chipsets, and there is a 785G block diagram. https://www.extremeoverclocking.com/...RO_USB3_2.html On the AMD chipset (where CPU is a "pure" CPU), the GPU in the Northbridge has both the shaders, as well as the lookup table for the 400MHz bandwidth VGA outputs. Whereas on the combo Intel CPU/GPU chips, the chipset still has the final output stage driving the connectors. If you buy a socket-compatible Intel CPU which happens to have no GPU in it, the Northbridge is still sitting there with VGA/DVI/HDMI to drive, but there are no signals coming from the CPU package to make it work. And then you plug in a video card, to be able to use the machine. ******* The motherboard user manuals, don't usually do a good job of accurately describing the options. There have been mistakes in that section of the manual (specifically, about how many monitors work, or if you use the DVI-I connector, the VGA stops working, and all sorts of other stupid ****). Paul Its the AMD Phenom II X4 810 I'm going to give up on trying to get 3 monitors to work. Thank you for explaining why it will never work. Even though there are 5 graphics connectors on the desktop. I wonder if a splitter exists? |
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Does Windows 10 with NVidia GeForce 210 support 3 monitors
Jean Fredette wrote:
Its the AMD Phenom II X4 810 I'm going to give up on trying to get 3 monitors to work. Thank you for explaining why it will never work. Even though there are 5 graphics connectors on the desktop. I wonder if a splitter exists? Yes it does. Matrox makes splitters. They made two way and three way ones. (Reviews were on Anandtech.) They had versions for VGA and ones with digital on them. The output graphics standard has to support output at a high enough res, for the splitter to make two equal halves of it. Like maybe 5760x1080. The web site for Matrox used to have some "examples" of cards and the max they could output. The outputs might typically stop at 1920x1080 or so. I don't think they ever made 4K versions of the tech. Smoke would come out :-) In my made up example, 5760x1080 would be turned into three monitors of 1920x1080 each, at the same Hertz rate. It's a trifle expensive, as it's possible they were using an FPGA to do that. If you had a slot for a video card, in many cases a new video card could be cheaper. (Video cards come with up to six connectors, like HDMI, DVI, 4*DisplayPort). My "cheap" video card only has five, and if I'd ponied up a few hundred bucks more, I could have had a sixth. Nominally a solution exists, but in the real world, I don't know how practical splitters are. The tech works. And as far as I know, Matrox (in some form) still exists. What they have left for staff, who knows. And did the Chinese make versions ? Not that I've seen. Paul |
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