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Old November 6th 19, 11:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default W10 and a Toshiba NB505-N500BL netbook

Is it feasible to put Windows 10 on this machine. The unit is destined
for student, possibly junior high, I'm not sure.

I'm thinking this would be the smarter option that simply reinstalling
W7. The computer is used.
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Old November 7th 19, 05:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default W10 and a Toshiba NB505-N500BL netbook

Ken Springer wrote:
Is it feasible to put Windows 10 on this machine. The unit is destined
for student, possibly junior high, I'm not sure.

I'm thinking this would be the smarter option that simply reinstalling
W7. The computer is used.


https://content.us.dynabook.com/cont...505-N500BL.pdf

Intel Atom processor N455
1.66 GHz, 512KB L2 Cache
1 core 2 threads 6.5W
Summer 2010

GMA3150 graphics

Configures 1GB, Max 2GB, single slot

Genuine Windows 7 Starter 32-bit === three running applications, max

*******

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/g...celerator+3150

GMA3150 G3Dmark = 3 === Your Tosh is here
FX5200 G3DMark = 8 Runs Basic Display Adapter driver on Windows 10
9700Pro G3DMark = 54 No driver for Win10, no way to test
HD4200(M) G3DMark = 93 My win7 era laptop (Win10 driver support poor)
TitanX G3DMark = 13656

I don't know what to tell you.

Should be an interesting experiment, if it
ever finishes.

Even if the GPU had a decent video decoder, it might
be a worthwhile venture. As soon as the Jr.High
student runs Youtube, that machine will be turned
into a Frisbee. Yes, that core *could* decode
a Hollywood movie (~100% CPU), but then what is Windows Defender
and the Search Indexer going to do for cycles ?
The machine would need to be "very quiet", to
maintain a pleasant experience. Windows 10 is just
not a quiet enough platform in such a scenario.

On my laptop (2.2GHz single core), the power consumption *doubles*
as soon as the network cable is plugged in.
It's hilarious, how excited my single core processor
gets, when it gets a sniff of network cable.

My laptop is frozen at release 10586.

The new owner should be a "patient Jr.High student"
or an "appreciative Jr.High student".

Paul
  #3  
Old November 7th 19, 07:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default W10 and a Toshiba NB505-N500BL netbook

Ken Springer wrote:

Is it feasible to put Windows 10 on this machine. The unit is destined
for student, possibly junior high, I'm not sure.

I'm thinking this would be the smarter option that simply reinstalling
W7. The computer is used.


If you don't know who gets the hardware, they may not want the OS you
put on it. Just leave it up to them to determine which OS they like.
Could be some variant of Linux, an even older version of Windows
(drivers for that model go back to Windows XP), Hackintosh, or take a
stab at CloudReady if they want a ChromeOS-like netbook. What if they
have old hardware that only has 32-bit drivers but you give a 64-bit
version of Windows? Drivers and OS have to match on bitwidth.

You're going to blow money to buy Windows 10 just to donate it to an
unknown recipient? I would wipe the drive and let whomever becomes the
new owner determine what OS to put on the hardware. You could end up
wasting money on an OS they'll discard for something else they want.
  #4  
Old November 7th 19, 08:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default W10 and a Toshiba NB505-N500BL netbook

VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

Is it feasible to put Windows 10 on this machine. The unit is destined
for student, possibly junior high, I'm not sure.

I'm thinking this would be the smarter option that simply reinstalling
W7. The computer is used.


If you don't know who gets the hardware, they may not want the OS you
put on it. Just leave it up to them to determine which OS they like.
Could be some variant of Linux, an even older version of Windows
(drivers for that model go back to Windows XP), Hackintosh, or take a
stab at CloudReady if they want a ChromeOS-like netbook. What if they
have old hardware that only has 32-bit drivers but you give a 64-bit
version of Windows? Drivers and OS have to match on bitwidth.

You're going to blow money to buy Windows 10 just to donate it to an
unknown recipient? I would wipe the drive and let whomever becomes the
new owner determine what OS to put on the hardware. You could end up
wasting money on an OS they'll discard for something else they want.


( There's no particular reason to visit the site... )

https://www.geeksinphoenix.com/blog/...ndows-8-1.aspx

"If you have Windows 7 Starter, Windows 7 Home Basic,
Windows 7 Home Premium or Windows 8.1 Home Basic,
you will upgrade to Windows 10 Home."

If the machine was already leveled, you'd be looking
for a COA to carry that out. And somehow I doubt Starter
devices come with a COA. Still, it's an option if you
have the materials at hand (do a Win10-over-Win7Starter
for example by executing Setup.exe off the Win10 x86 DVD).

Paul
  #5  
Old November 7th 19, 09:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Kenny McCormack
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Default W10 and a Toshiba NB505-N500BL netbook

In article ,
Ken Springer wrote:
Is it feasible to put Windows 10 on this machine. The unit is destined
for student, possibly junior high, I'm not sure.

I'm thinking this would be the smarter option that simply reinstalling
W7. The computer is used.


You're joking, right?

W10 is *never* the best choice - unless it is (truly) the only choice.

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Old November 7th 19, 02:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default W10 and a Toshiba NB505-N500BL netbook

On 11/6/19 9:41 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
Is it feasible to put Windows 10 on this machine. The unit is destined
for student, possibly junior high, I'm not sure.

I'm thinking this would be the smarter option that simply reinstalling
W7. The computer is used.


https://content.us.dynabook.com/cont...505-N500BL.pdf

Intel Atom processor N455
1.66 GHz, 512KB L2 Cache
1 core 2 threads 6.5W
Summer 2010

GMA3150 graphics

Configures 1GB, Max 2GB, single slot

Genuine Windows 7 Starter 32-bit === three running applications, max

*******

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/g...celerator+3150

GMA3150 G3Dmark = 3 === Your Tosh is here
FX5200 G3DMark = 8 Runs Basic Display Adapter driver on Windows 10
9700Pro G3DMark = 54 No driver for Win10, no way to test
HD4200(M) G3DMark = 93 My win7 era laptop (Win10 driver support poor)
TitanX G3DMark = 13656

I don't know what to tell you.

Should be an interesting experiment, if it
ever finishes.

Even if the GPU had a decent video decoder, it might
be a worthwhile venture. As soon as the Jr.High
student runs Youtube, that machine will be turned
into a Frisbee. Yes, that core *could* decode
a Hollywood movie (~100% CPU), but then what is Windows Defender
and the Search Indexer going to do for cycles ?
The machine would need to be "very quiet", to
maintain a pleasant experience. Windows 10 is just
not a quiet enough platform in such a scenario.


ATM, I don't have the time to experiment, so W7 Starter will stay on the
netbook.

On my laptop (2.2GHz single core), the power consumption *doubles*
as soon as the network cable is plugged in.
It's hilarious, how excited my single core processor
gets, when it gets a sniff of network cable.

My laptop is frozen at release 10586.

The new owner should be a "patient Jr.High student"
or an "appreciative Jr.High student".

Paul



--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 69.0.2
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
  #7  
Old November 7th 19, 02:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default W10 and a Toshiba NB505-N500BL netbook

On 11/6/19 11:01 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

Is it feasible to put Windows 10 on this machine. The unit is destined
for student, possibly junior high, I'm not sure.

I'm thinking this would be the smarter option that simply reinstalling
W7. The computer is used.


If you don't know who gets the hardware, they may not want the OS you
put on it. Just leave it up to them to determine which OS they like.
Could be some variant of Linux, an even older version of Windows
(drivers for that model go back to Windows XP), Hackintosh, or take a
stab at CloudReady if they want a ChromeOS-like netbook. What if they
have old hardware that only has 32-bit drivers but you give a 64-bit
version of Windows? Drivers and OS have to match on bitwidth.

You're going to blow money to buy Windows 10 just to donate it to an
unknown recipient? I would wipe the drive and let whomever becomes the
new owner determine what OS to put on the hardware. You could end up
wasting money on an OS they'll discard for something else they want.


I know what the "givers" would like done... Just get past the password,
and they will give it away. But I'll delete all old user info, and
create a new account. Update it, and give it back.

The W10 thought was to give them a computer with an OS that is still
supported, but as I told Paul, I don't have the time ATM to try it and
then have it fail.


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 69.0.2
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
  #8  
Old November 7th 19, 02:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default W10 and a Toshiba NB505-N500BL netbook

On 11/7/19 12:15 AM, Paul wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

Is it feasible to put Windows 10 on this machine. The unit is destined
for student, possibly junior high, I'm not sure.

I'm thinking this would be the smarter option that simply reinstalling
W7. The computer is used.


If you don't know who gets the hardware, they may not want the OS you
put on it. Just leave it up to them to determine which OS they like.
Could be some variant of Linux, an even older version of Windows
(drivers for that model go back to Windows XP), Hackintosh, or take a
stab at CloudReady if they want a ChromeOS-like netbook. What if they
have old hardware that only has 32-bit drivers but you give a 64-bit
version of Windows? Drivers and OS have to match on bitwidth.

You're going to blow money to buy Windows 10 just to donate it to an
unknown recipient? I would wipe the drive and let whomever becomes the
new owner determine what OS to put on the hardware. You could end up
wasting money on an OS they'll discard for something else they want.


( There's no particular reason to visit the site... )

https://www.geeksinphoenix.com/blog/...ndows-8-1.aspx

"If you have Windows 7 Starter, Windows 7 Home Basic,
Windows 7 Home Premium or Windows 8.1 Home Basic,
you will upgrade to Windows 10 Home."


Yeppers, knew this.

If the machine was already leveled, you'd be looking
for a COA to carry that out. And somehow I doubt Starter
devices come with a COA. Still, it's an option if you
have the materials at hand (do a Win10-over-Win7Starter
for example by executing Setup.exe off the Win10 x86 DVD).


There's a COA sticker on the bottom, as well as one on the bottom of my
Gateway netbook.


--
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MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 69.0.2
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
  #9  
Old November 7th 19, 02:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default W10 and a Toshiba NB505-N500BL netbook

On 11/7/19 1:57 AM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article ,
Ken Springer wrote:
Is it feasible to put Windows 10 on this machine. The unit is destined
for student, possibly junior high, I'm not sure.

I'm thinking this would be the smarter option that simply reinstalling
W7. The computer is used.


You're joking, right?

W10 is *never* the best choice - unless it is (truly) the only choice.


When it's going to a new and presumably inexperienced user, some thing
that is still supported is always the smart choice.


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 69.0.2
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
  #10  
Old November 7th 19, 02:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Kenny McCormack
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Default W10 and a Toshiba NB505-N500BL netbook

In article ,
Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/7/19 1:57 AM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article ,
Ken Springer wrote:
Is it feasible to put Windows 10 on this machine. The unit is destined
for student, possibly junior high, I'm not sure.

I'm thinking this would be the smarter option that simply reinstalling
W7. The computer is used.


You're joking, right?

W10 is *never* the best choice - unless it is (truly) the only choice.


When it's going to a new and presumably inexperienced user, some thing
that is still supported is always the smart choice.


False.

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Old November 7th 19, 07:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default W10 and a Toshiba NB505-N500BL netbook

On 11/7/19 6:43 AM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article ,
Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/7/19 1:57 AM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article ,
Ken Springer wrote:
Is it feasible to put Windows 10 on this machine. The unit is destined
for student, possibly junior high, I'm not sure.

I'm thinking this would be the smarter option that simply reinstalling
W7. The computer is used.

You're joking, right?

W10 is *never* the best choice - unless it is (truly) the only choice.


When it's going to a new and presumably inexperienced user, some thing
that is still supported is always the smart choice.


False.


To each his/her own.


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 69.0.2
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
  #12  
Old November 7th 19, 08:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default W10 and a Toshiba NB505-N500BL netbook

Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/6/19 11:01 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

Is it feasible to put Windows 10 on this machine. The unit is destined
for student, possibly junior high, I'm not sure.

I'm thinking this would be the smarter option that simply reinstalling
W7. The computer is used.


If you don't know who gets the hardware, they may not want the OS you
put on it. Just leave it up to them to determine which OS they like.
Could be some variant of Linux, an even older version of Windows
(drivers for that model go back to Windows XP), Hackintosh, or take a
stab at CloudReady if they want a ChromeOS-like netbook. What if they
have old hardware that only has 32-bit drivers but you give a 64-bit
version of Windows? Drivers and OS have to match on bitwidth.

You're going to blow money to buy Windows 10 just to donate it to an
unknown recipient? I would wipe the drive and let whomever becomes the
new owner determine what OS to put on the hardware. You could end up
wasting money on an OS they'll discard for something else they want.


I know what the "givers" would like done... Just get past the password,
and they will give it away. But I'll delete all old user info, and
create a new account. Update it, and give it back.

The W10 thought was to give them a computer with an OS that is still
supported, but as I told Paul, I don't have the time ATM to try it and
then have it fail.


Depending on where this "password" is, you might be able to crack it :-/

Kali has something for that.

But the password must be prepared in a particular format, to
feed into the tool. And it's likely different if the machine
has a domain password, versus a local password that "needs cracking".

I always wanted to try one of those with my video card (for
brute force search).

It's probably easier to just reset the password if it's a local
one, or try the usual "replace OSK.exe with CMD.exe" style of hack,
to become administrator and allow password resetting that way.

But there are other levels of passwords, and on business laptops
for example, you can lock at the BIOS level and the password
is stored in a 2KB flash chip. (Pulling the CMOS battery
won't work on those.)

Paul
  #13  
Old November 9th 19, 12:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default W10 and a Toshiba NB505-N500BL netbook

On 11/7/19 12:55 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/6/19 11:01 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

Is it feasible to put Windows 10 on this machine. The unit is destined
for student, possibly junior high, I'm not sure.

I'm thinking this would be the smarter option that simply reinstalling
W7. The computer is used.

If you don't know who gets the hardware, they may not want the OS you
put on it. Just leave it up to them to determine which OS they like.
Could be some variant of Linux, an even older version of Windows
(drivers for that model go back to Windows XP), Hackintosh, or take a
stab at CloudReady if they want a ChromeOS-like netbook. What if they
have old hardware that only has 32-bit drivers but you give a 64-bit
version of Windows? Drivers and OS have to match on bitwidth.

You're going to blow money to buy Windows 10 just to donate it to an
unknown recipient? I would wipe the drive and let whomever becomes the
new owner determine what OS to put on the hardware. You could end up
wasting money on an OS they'll discard for something else they want.


I know what the "givers" would like done... Just get past the password,
and they will give it away. But I'll delete all old user info, and
create a new account. Update it, and give it back.

The W10 thought was to give them a computer with an OS that is still
supported, but as I told Paul, I don't have the time ATM to try it and
then have it fail.


Depending on where this "password" is, you might be able to crack it :-/

Kali has something for that.

But the password must be prepared in a particular format, to
feed into the tool. And it's likely different if the machine
has a domain password, versus a local password that "needs cracking".

I always wanted to try one of those with my video card (for
brute force search).

It's probably easier to just reset the password if it's a local
one, or try the usual "replace OSK.exe with CMD.exe" style of hack,
to become administrator and allow password resetting that way.


It was the account password, and I have a utility that simply removed
the password. Will be returning it next week.

But there are other levels of passwords, and on business laptops
for example, you can lock at the BIOS level and the password
is stored in a 2KB flash chip. (Pulling the CMOS battery
won't work on those.)

Paul



--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 69.0.2
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
 




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