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Ping: Rene Lamontagne
Ken Springer wrote:
Have you tried anything like this, to help read the monitor screen? https://www.buymightysight.com/ A friend of mine just bought a pair at our local Walmart, and thinks they work great. What are the LEDs needed to view a /monitor/? The monitor already outputs light. In fact, unless you turn it off, it could light up a room unless you use a dark theme. As for the 160% magnification, you can buy reading glasses at Walmart for cheaper than those $20 overpriced ones. Also, magnifiers don't correct your vision. If you wear glasses, magnifiers just make bigger what you have problems reading already without your glasses. If you don't like bifocals (I don't) then get a pair of prescription reading glasses. Tell the optometrist the distance between your eyes and the monitor since they need to adjust the lenses to that focal distance. Once you get prescription reading glasses, you'll find it unlikely you need any magnification. I know about this. The screen was getting a bit fuzzier with old age. I tried magnifiers, but all that did is make larger the screen which still remained fuzzy. Getting prescription reading glasses made it a lot easier to read the screen, and without any magnification. Magnification just makes small text look bigger, so those help only if you're having troubles reading tiny text. That's not what the OP expressed. You could just up the DPI setting to see larger text. |
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Rene Lamontagne
What are the LEDs needed to view a /monitor/? The monitor already outputs light. In fact, unless you turn it off, it could light up a room unless you use a dark theme. As for the 160% magnification, you can buy reading glasses at Walmart for cheaper than those $20 overpriced ones. Also, magnifiers don't correct your vision. If you wear glasses, magnifiers just make bigger what you have problems reading already without your glasses. If you don't like bifocals (I don't) then get a pair of prescription reading glasses. Tell the optometrist the distance between your eyes and the monitor since they need to adjust the lenses to that focal distance. Once you get prescription reading glasses, you'll find it unlikely you need any magnification. I know about this. The screen was getting a bit fuzzier with old age. I tried magnifiers, but all that did is make larger the screen which still remained fuzzy. Getting prescription reading glasses made it a lot easier to read the screen, and without any magnification. Magnification just makes small text look bigger, so those help only if you're having troubles reading tiny text. That's not what the OP expressed. You could just up the DPI setting to see larger text. Agreed...I have 2 sets of glasses one for driving....another for computer both from Optometrist and they work great. Peter |
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Ping: Rene Lamontagne
On 9/21/19 5:42 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: Have you tried anything like this, to help read the monitor screen? https://www.buymightysight.com/ A friend of mine just bought a pair at our local Walmart, and thinks they work great. What are the LEDs needed to view a /monitor/? The monitor already outputs light. In fact, unless you turn it off, it could light up a room unless you use a dark theme. We don't *know* how hard it is for Rene to read the screen. But there is certainly a difference in readability of monitor screens, especially in some of the laptops I've seen. In the messages earlier where we were discussing screen resolutions, Rene mentioned he still does custom builds. These glasses may be of help in that and other tasks. There was a time when I could go to a restaurant with low light and have no problem reading the menu. Those days are long gone. Now I take a pocket flashlight and a magnifying glass. (No smartphone here, I don't have a use for one. Just a cheap Tracfone.) Ever try to hold a magnifying glass in one hand, a flashlight in the other, and still do something with your hands??? LOL As for the 160% magnification, you can buy reading glasses at Walmart for cheaper than those $20 overpriced ones. Also, magnifiers don't correct your vision. If your eyes are in the situation I'm in, it's not the magnification, it's the addition light that is just as important. As I hinted at in the previous paragraph. If you wear glasses, magnifiers just make bigger what you have problems reading already without your glasses. Large fuzzy text may be readable where the smaller fuzzy text isn't. If you don't like bifocals (I don't) then get a pair of prescription reading glasses. Tell the optometrist the distance between your eyes and the monitor since they need to adjust the lenses to that focal distance. Once you get prescription reading glasses, you'll find it unlikely you need any magnification. I've had computer glasses for years!!! But it's not always that simple. There are other eye issues that can enter into this, such as cataracts and the surgery, and macular degeneration. I know that's a fact! I'm there right now! I know about this. The screen was getting a bit fuzzier with old age. I tried magnifiers, but all that did is make larger the screen which still remained fuzzy. Getting prescription reading glasses made it a lot easier to read the screen, and without any magnification. And that worked for me for years. I've worn glasses since 7th grade, meaning 1959. By themselves, prescriptions glasses along no longer cut it for me. I do have an appointment coming up to try to fix things, but the best I'm hoping for is to improve the situation. I'm not holding out hope for getting back to 20/20 vision. Magnification just makes small text look bigger, so those help only if you're having troubles reading tiny text. That's not what the OP expressed. You could just up the DPI setting to see larger text. What I've learned personally, a statement like the first sentence may come back to burn your butt. G Mine's been singed. ROFL -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 69.0 Thunderbird 60.8 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 9/21/19 6:09 AM, pk121 wrote:
snip Agreed...I have 2 sets of glasses one for driving....another for computer both from Optometrist and they work great. Used to work great for me too. But, it appears those days are long gone. :-( -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 69.0 Thunderbird 60.8 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 08:43:15 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote: On 9/21/19 6:09 AM, pk121 wrote: snip Agreed...I have 2 sets of glasses one for driving....another for computer both from Optometrist and they work great. Used to work great for me too. I used to have three: one for reading, one for the monitor, one for everything else, But, it appears those days are long gone. :-( Same here. Having had cataract surgery, I now almost never wear glasses. The only tome I wear glasses is when reading in bed, lying on my belly. |
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On 9/21/19 8:51 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 08:43:15 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/21/19 6:09 AM, pk121 wrote: snip Agreed...I have 2 sets of glasses one for driving....another for computer both from Optometrist and they work great. Used to work great for me too. I used to have three: one for reading, one for the monitor, one for everything else, But, it appears those days are long gone. :-( Same here. Having had cataract surgery, I now almost never wear glasses. The only tome I wear glasses is when reading in bed, lying on my belly. I've had cataract surgery in both eyes also, but the macular degeneration and astigmatism adds issues. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 69.0 Thunderbird 60.8 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Ken Springer wrote:
There was a time when I could go to a restaurant with low light and have no problem reading the menu. Those days are long gone. Now I take a pocket flashlight and a magnifying glass. Could be those restaurants are getting darker. I figure if I cannot see the food then I should eat somewhere else. A darkened room doesn't lie to me that there are other people there, so what else would they being trying to hide by making it too dark to see your food. I'd rather trade good food for ambience. Ever try to hold a magnifying glass in one hand, a flashlight in the other, and still do something with your hands??? LOL Rather than look like a freak wearing those instant 20/20 dial-in geek eyewear that have LEDs, you can get LOTS of magnifier lenses that have a built in light. Of course, you could drive your point home to the restaurant manager that you dislike the overly dark room by donning a cap that has a 4-LED lamp clamped to its visor. Everyone will notice you lighting up the menu. When there were more items on the menu, the menu size got larger. Now they're concerned with reducing space to tuck one into a stand that doesn't obstruct use of the table or require the waiter to tote around huge menus. I've been to those places where the menu was too small to read, so I'd call over the waiter and have him read it with which he also had difficulty - just to point out the print was too small. I'd rather make a nuisance of myself to point out their failing than kowtow to their stupidities or inadequacies. A waitress took my order, but asked what I wanted for dessert at that time rather than come back later to ask (rather pushy since patrons may not know if the want dessert until nearly finishing the meal). She brought over the dessert (ice cream) with the meal, and immediately left rather than asking how was everything and before I noticed her error. Of course, it melted before I got done with the meal. When the waitress brought the bill, I said to take off the ice cream and to clean up the mess (I slid the bowl to the edge of the table, so as it melted onto the table and also dripped onto the floor). Unless she is a retard, bet she didn't do that again. I complained to the manager for never getting my meal despite my buddy got his. I was positioned to watch her moving around and tried to wave to get her attention, and even called out to her several times. When she was at the counter where there was tile flooring, I tossed silverware to make noise at her feet (no, I didn't throw it at her). She kept going to the same table to chat with her friends. The manager apologized, I obviously didn't pay, and they explained some problems with that employee. After leaving, I and a buddy were standing in front of my car next to the door. The waitress stomped out and exclaimed "You got me fired". My retort was "One complaint didn't get you fired." If you don't tell the manager there was a problem with the food or service then they won't know. Too often telling the waiter results in no change or correction. I'm not there to pay to be a victim. If your eyes are in the situation I'm in, it's not the magnification, it's the addition light that is just as important. As I hinted at in the previous paragraph. I've been in restaurants where both I and my date had to use the candle to read the menu. Upon agreement, we left to go eat elsewhere, but not until telling the manager their ambience sucked being too dark to see the menu and the food. I tell the manager that I need to see the menu to order, and that I require seeing the food that I eat. If the date didn't agree to go elsewhere, I'd tell the waiter that I just wanted a glass of water since they made it impossible to see the menu, the food, and my date. I've been in restaurants where the music was so loud that talking to anyone at the same table was difficult. I'd tell them to turn it down. The manager was absent, and the kids decided they wanted the music loud. I had to ask twice because the kids thought they could ignore me until I said I would leave, not pay, and later phone the manager to complain. Large fuzzy text may be readable where the smaller fuzzy text isn't. Then you acknowledge that the focus issue never got addressed. I've had computer glasses for years!!! But it's not always that simple. There are other eye issues that can enter into this, such as cataracts and the surgery, and macular degeneration. With a computer monitor, you can use handicap features that make everything larger by giving you a portal to just some of the screen content. That's until you get a much larger screen but do NOT increase the resolution (to keep the large screen with upping resolution to make everything smaller). You can't get prescription eyewear that corrects [some of] your vision defects while also magnifying? That is, get the prescription eyewear but add magnification. If you need light (e.g., dark restaurant), wear a cap with an LED light. It will be very bright and bring home the point that you're complaining about overly dark ambience. I have a thin penlight attached to my keychain which come in handy to flag the waiter in the dark restaurant, as well as other users. I do have an appointment coming up to try to fix things, but the best I'm hoping for is to improve the situation. I'm not holding out hope for getting back to 20/20 vision. You could ask the waiter for the handicap-sized menu. If they don't have one, have the waiter read the menu. Only pestering them has a chance of changing their behavior. I've not yet had to do that, but mom had really bad eyesight and needed a bigger menu or the waiter to read the menu. VangaurdLH: Magnification just makes small text look bigger, so those help only if you're having troubles reading tiny text. That's not what the OP expressed. You could just up the DPI setting to see larger text. What I've learned personally, a statement like the first sentence may come back to burn your butt. G Mine's been singed. ROFL I'm not an optometrist. I'm not writing a class textbook here for training. I won't be addressing every possible scenario with simple declarations. Saying "your car has tires" won't cover someone that uses a hovercraft. |
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On 9/21/19 8:09 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: There was a time when I could go to a restaurant with low light and have no problem reading the menu. Those days are long gone. Now I take a pocket flashlight and a magnifying glass. Could be those restaurants are getting darker. No, these are restaurants we've gone to for years, nothings changed except cooks and waitstaff. G Oh, and when the sun goes down that provided light through the windows. LOL But, it's my eyes, not the restaurants we go to. Things that used to be easily seen that fall under my desk, now require a flashlight to find. :-( snip Ever try to hold a magnifying glass in one hand, a flashlight in the other, and still do something with your hands??? LOL Rather than look like a freak wearing those instant 20/20 dial-in geek eyewear that have LEDs, you can get LOTS of magnifier lenses that have a built in light. This is what I take to a restaurant, when I remember to pack it: https://www.amazon.com/MagniPros-Mag...2C188 &sr=8-6 Makes a pretty decent wide angle flashlight, too. Of course, you could drive your point home to the restaurant manager that you dislike the overly dark room by donning a cap that has a 4-LED lamp clamped to its visor. Everyone will notice you lighting up the menu. Does the cap go on top of the tin foil, or underneath?... LOL Places that dark are rare visits, every couple of years rare. And, I don't wear hats indoors, tacky when out in public. When there were more items on the menu, the menu size got larger. I get a kick out of the TV ad where the patrons "forgot their readers" and the water brings them menus that look like they are 2' X 3'. It an ad for contact lenses. snip If you don't tell the manager there was a problem with the food or service then they won't know. This is true for any business. snip I've been in restaurants where the music was so loud that talking to anyone at the same table was difficult. This is a problem with small venues and live music, too. snip Large fuzzy text may be readable where the smaller fuzzy text isn't. Then you acknowledge that the focus issue never got addressed. No, just noting that the users eyes have a part here. The users eyes may still not focus sharply on the enlarged text or item, but the user may now be able to recognize what he/she is looking at. I've had computer glasses for years!!! But it's not always that simple. There are other eye issues that can enter into this, such as cataracts and the surgery, and macular degeneration. With a computer monitor, you can use handicap features that make everything larger by giving you a portal to just some of the screen content. Are you talking about the magnifier feature, where you get a "bubble" or similar of enlarged text? A PITA if you are trying to read the page, or if you're trying to enter your username and password. It appears you can't enter anything that's in the magnified area. Place the cursor there, the magnifier goes away. That's until you get a much larger screen but do NOT increase the resolution (to keep the large screen with upping resolution to make everything smaller). *Exactly* where I go with recommendations. And what I did, when I gave up the fight of trying to use the recommended resolution. My Mac, both the old one I replaced with this new one, have a monitor in the 24"-26" range. 16:10 aspect ratio. I mad sure this new monitor had an IPS panel, and so glad I did!! I discovered that a lot of login in fields may be filled with a light yellow, which I'd never seen before. I'd already learned some monitors cannot display light greys and blues. I wanted to go larger when I bought the new Mac, but 27" category seems to be devoid of IPS paneled monitors. (I didn't spend hours looking.) And both physical space and $$ eliminated anything larger. I'm limited with options for experimenting with HDMI inputs, but ATM, I'd say to not user that option. TV's also suck badly. You can't get prescription eyewear that corrects [some of] your vision defects while also magnifying? That is, get the prescription eyewear but add magnification. I suspect you can get both. Will be getting the eyes checked for new prescriptions later this week. But for me, the magnification aspect is fixed by going from the recommended 1920X1200 to 1600X1000. With my macular degeneration, and current "fuzz", magnification isn't all that helpful except for text. The friend that told me about the glasses loves them for her use, such as threading the needle in her sewing machine, especially the LED lights. But she says the effect for distance viewing makes her feel sick. So, for driving, I think I'd stay away from any magnification. "Objects in mirror may be closer than they appear." LOL If you need light (e.g., dark restaurant), wear a cap with an LED light. It will be very bright and bring home the point that you're complaining about overly dark ambience. I have a thin penlight attached to my keychain which come in handy to flag the waiter in the dark restaurant, as well as other users. Hey, I should carry my LED red cat toy for that! ROFL I do have an appointment coming up to try to fix things, but the best I'm hoping for is to improve the situation. I'm not holding out hope for getting back to 20/20 vision. You could ask the waiter for the handicap-sized menu. If they don't have one, have the waiter read the menu. Only pestering them has a chance of changing their behavior. I've not yet had to do that, but mom had really bad eyesight and needed a bigger menu or the waiter to read the menu. 99.9% if the time, we don't go to those upscale restaurants. Besides, what's the problem with asking your date to read the menu? VangaurdLH: Magnification just makes small text look bigger, so those help only if you're having troubles reading tiny text. That's not what the OP expressed. You could just up the DPI setting to see larger text. What I've learned personally, a statement like the first sentence may come back to burn your butt. G Mine's been singed. ROFL I'm not an optometrist. I'm not writing a class textbook here for training. I won't be addressing every possible scenario with simple declarations. Saying "your car has tires" won't cover someone that uses a hovercraft. The one sure thing I've learned is, solving this problem is there is no universal solution for any one user. Too many variables, especially on the human side. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 69.0 Thunderbird 60.8 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Ken Springer wrote:
Are you talking about the magnifier feature, where you get a "bubble" or similar of enlarged text? A PITA if you are trying to read the page, or if you're trying to enter your username and password. It appears you can't enter anything that's in the magnified area. Place the cursor there, the magnifier goes away. No, in Windows 10, I enter "magnifier" in the taskbar's searchbox to load the Magnifier app. That magnifies the entire screen. You can also use the hotkeys: Win+PlusKey (where the PlusKey is the one near the Backspace key or in the Numpad) to activate or up the magnification, Win+MinusKey reduces magnification, and Win+Esc escapes magnification mode. You can mouse the mouse to the edges of the viewport to move it around. There might be other shortcuts to using the viewport, but I've only used it only so much as to test that it works. The Magnifier's window might get in the way, but you could minimize it to the taskbar. In effect, you get a viewport of the screen (which is now larger than your physical monitor). You can enter text inside the viewport. I just tested by opening the web browser, loading the Magnifier app, and changing the URL in the address bar of the web browser. Also worked in Notepad to add more text to a document. This is actually an old feature that I've seen in some virtual desktop software. I don't remember which because I haven't needed VDMs for awhile, and don't even use the one built into Windows 10. The viewport isn't as good as having a much larger monitor but without increased resolution, so the size of text doesn't end up smaller and you end up changing the DPI setting to increase text size (which will incur problems in non-DPI aware programs). Seems most times getting a larger monitor results in increasing the resolution. The same number of pixels are used for a text character (and icons), the density of pixels increases, resulting in smaller text. Seems self-defeating to get a larger monitor with higher resolution (beyond the scaling of just the larger physical dimensions) only to get smaller text that's harder to read. Yeah, TVs make horrible computer monitors. Computer monitors are designed to present static content. TVs are designed to present moving images. You'll notice the monitor and TV displays at stores have a feed showing moving images. To compare the monitors, you need to get the store to show a static image, like a desktop with a document displayed. You can use a computer monitor as a TV (like when playing games or viewing streamed TV content) but the other way (TV as monitor) sucks. Like using a screwdriver as a hammer. |
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In article , VanguardLH
wrote: Yeah, TVs make horrible computer monitors. that depends on the tv, what panel it uses and its resolution. Computer monitors are designed to present static content. TVs are designed to present moving images. nonsense. computer displays are often used for gaming and watching videos, with refresh rates up to 240 hz, which is higher than tvs. You'll notice the monitor and TV displays at stores have a feed showing moving images. that's because it increases sales. people want to see movies or sports or whatever on the tvs they might buy, not look at a boring photo that never changes. To compare the monitors, you need to get the store to show a static image, like a desktop with a document displayed. You can use a computer monitor as a TV (like when playing games or viewing streamed TV content) but the other way (TV as monitor) sucks. Like using a screwdriver as a hammer. nonsense. the key difference is that a tv has a tuner and a computer display does not. |
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Zooming in/out, using Cntrl-wheel, is the best solution.
On 9/22/19 1:18 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Zooming in/out, using Cntrl-wheel, is the best solution. Microsoft should implement this everywhere, file Explorer, Win32 API, etc. For a short period, yes. But not for 24/7 use, where the computer is likely to be shut down and restarted. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 69.0 Thunderbird 60.8 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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The zooming sticks. Click to unzoom.
On 9/22/19 2:18 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Ken replied ( to me ): Zooming in/out, using Cntrl-wheel, is the best solution. Microsoft should implement this everywhere, file Explorer, Win32 API, etc. For a short period, yes. But not for 24/7 use, where the computer is likely to be shut down and restarted. No, the zooming sticks. Click to unzoom. "Zooming sticks" has me lost. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 69.0 Thunderbird 60.8 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 9/22/19 12:58 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: Are you talking about the magnifier feature, where you get a "bubble" or similar of enlarged text? A PITA if you are trying to read the page, or if you're trying to enter your username and password. It appears you can't enter anything that's in the magnified area. Place the cursor there, the magnifier goes away. No, in Windows 10, I enter "magnifier" in the taskbar's searchbox to load the Magnifier app. That magnifies the entire screen. You can also use the hotkeys: Win+PlusKey (where the PlusKey is the one near the Backspace key or in the Numpad) to activate or up the magnification, Win+MinusKey reduces magnification, and Win+Esc escapes magnification mode. You can mouse the mouse to the edges of the viewport to move it around. There might be other shortcuts to using the viewport, but I've only used it only so much as to test that it works. The Magnifier's window might get in the way, but you could minimize it to the taskbar. It's called an app when accessed this way, but unless it was changed for 1903, it's not an app according to MS docs. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...-in-windows-10 So I think this is the W10 version of the magnifier. This is so Windows 3.x. I remember playing with things like this as a virtual desktop, and it worked nicely, but wasn't something that turned me on. I'm running W10 on an old Vista system, quad core but only 2.0GHz, 4 GB of RAM. And it's absolutely unusable. Move the mouse, wait a few seconds, and the mouse cursor finally moves. At any magnification larger that 100% Why would you need something like this with a decent widescreen monitor4? snip This is actually an old feature that I've seen in some virtual desktop software. IIRC, in the W3.x days, the capability came with the graphics cards. I don't remember which because I haven't needed VDMs for awhile, and don't even use the one built into Windows 10. The viewport isn't as good as having a much larger monitor but without increased resolution, so the size of text doesn't end up smaller and you end up changing the DPI setting to increase text size (which will incur problems in non-DPI aware programs). Seems most times getting a larger monitor results in increasing the resolution. The same number of pixels are used for a text character (and icons), the density of pixels increases, resulting in smaller text. Seems self-defeating to get a larger monitor with higher resolution (beyond the scaling of just the larger physical dimensions) only to get smaller text that's harder to read. Yea, getting a larger monitor gives you a higher resolution, but I've not noticed any major change in text size and such. This applies to the desktop monitors I have. Laptops? The ones I've seen are all over the place when it comes to the size of the text. I'm installing W10 on a Lenovo ThinkPad, and a normal person would need a magnifying glass to read the default on the desktop. However, that may change once I've set up an MS account for the owner, and download all the drivers for the system from the MS Store. I've been sitting here just clicking around, goofing off with various settings, and now I have normal sized icons and text, but a hu-u-u-uge grid. No idea how I got this grid, or how to get back to normal. LOL snip -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 69.0 Thunderbird 60.8 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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The zooming sticks. Click to unzoom.
On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 19:42:13 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote: On 9/22/19 2:18 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: Ken replied ( to me ): Zooming in/out, using Cntrl-wheel, is the best solution. Microsoft should implement this everywhere, file Explorer, Win32 API, etc. For a short period, yes. But not for 24/7 use, where the computer is likely to be shut down and restarted. No, the zooming sticks. Click to unzoom. "Zooming sticks" has me lost. Sticks: sticky, latched, toggled |
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The zooming sticks. Click to unzoom.
On 9/22/19 8:12 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 19:42:13 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/22/19 2:18 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: Ken replied ( to me ): Zooming in/out, using Cntrl-wheel, is the best solution. Microsoft should implement this everywhere, file Explorer, Win32 API, etc. For a short period, yes. But not for 24/7 use, where the computer is likely to be shut down and restarted. No, the zooming sticks. Click to unzoom. "Zooming sticks" has me lost. Sticks: sticky, latched, toggled Sticks, as in chicken drumsticks. Sticks, as in banging on a drum. Sticks, as in "living out in the sticks". LOL -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 69.0 Thunderbird 60.8 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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