Goodbye Linux: Why am ditching linux and going back to Windows 10

On 2019-10-05, Tin Man wrote:
On Sat, 05 Oct 2019 10:24:22 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Alfonso P Cutaway
wrote:


No need to worry about malware, spyware, keystroke loggers, or the
Biggie...Ransomware...only available on Windows....not on Linux.

linux is not immune.

True.

It is not immune but never happens...

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😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 05/10/2019 15:15, Weatherman wrote:



Please keep you pedophile fantasies to yourself, pervert.

You are the one hanging around public toilets looking for young
vulnerable boys.Â* You are being watched by the authorities so it's only
a matter of time!!!!


Keep your stupidity to yourself.

On 06/10/2019 10:49, Weatherman wrote:


Keep your stupidity to yourself.

Where exactly are you planning to hang around to find young boys to
abuse? Are you able to tell us this so that we avoid you. People like
you should be hunted down and lynched.


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😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 06/10/2019 10:49, Weatherman wrote:


Keep your stupidity to yourself.

Where exactly are you planning to hang around to find young boys to
abuse?Â*Â* Are you able to tell us this so that we avoid you. People like
you should be hunted down and lynched.



Keep your lies to yourself.

On 06/10/2019 13:24, Weatherman wrote:
😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 06/10/2019 10:49, Weatherman wrote:


Keep your stupidity to yourself.

Where exactly are you planning to hang around to find young boys to
abuse? Are you able to tell us this so that we avoid you. People
like you should be hunted down and lynched.



Keep your lies to yourself.

We need to start giving electric shocks to pedos and gay man like you:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49838964



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Brian Dee wrote:

Repeatedly I was told that the software repository and package
manager system of linux is much superior than the Windows system
of downloading .exes from developer sites. This is such a lie that
it's not even funny.

Considering how easy downloading and installing a program is, it
cannot be easier. Everybody helps install programs on your Windows
system.

Linux is great for hit-and-run advice. But after you install it, all
the Linux advocates disappear into the woodwork.

I trimmed the groups because this advice is for Windows users. No
need to troll.

On 06/10/2019 23.42, John Doe wrote:
Brian Dee wrote:

Repeatedly I was told that the software repository and package
manager system of linux is much superior than the Windows system
of downloading .exes from developer sites. This is such a lie that
it's not even funny.

Considering how easy downloading and installing a program is, it
cannot be easier. Everybody helps install programs on your Windows
system.

Linux is great for hit-and-run advice. But after you install it, all
the Linux advocates disappear into the woodwork.

LOL.

I am helping people with Linux all year round, so that is not true. Me
and many people.

Must be because I don't advocate.

I trimmed the groups because this advice is for Windows users. No
need to troll.

Just drop the advocacy group, and don't respond to the troll that
started the thread.

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Cheers, Carlos.

Brian Dee wrote:
Let the denials begin.
You Linux geeks might want to read this one because this is what real
world people think of Linux. And if you are unable to read anything
but ASCII code, have your sister read it to you.

The tone isn't helping, but most of your points are pretty accurate.

1) Windows vs Package Manager Repo System : Repeatedly I was told that
the software repository and package manager system of linux is much
superior than the Windows system of downloading .exes from developer
sites. This is such a lie that it's not even funny. The reason: age of
software. Win32 .exe softwares get updates independently from the base
OS. You can use Windows 7 and guess what, you favorite softwares will
all run at the LATEST version. I repeat, you can use Windows 7 and
your Blender and Krita will be at the latest version. What the version
of Blender and Krita on Ubuntu 16.04 or 14.04? Is Ubuntu 14.04 even
usable for normal desktop use anymore, consider its software repo age?
And no, am not using any rolling distro or Fedora because their
stability doesn't hold a candle in front of Ubuntu, mint, debian
stable, win 10 or macOS. Also I shouldn't have to upgrade my OS just
to get the next version of software. This is absolutely unacceptable
and ridiculous. The fact that my softwares stays fully cutting edge,
up to date on Windows while the base OS stays same is extremely
important.

True. If you want have the most recent version of certain applications that
are dependent on core libraries you do need keep the OS up-to-date. It's a
free upgrade and pretty simple so... shrug

The flipside is that with OSS you don't lose access to your favourite
application if the developer stops supporting it. So many times you hear
people looking for alternatives because progX doesn't work in win10 and
progY *only* works in win 10. What do you do?

Also there is a huge advantage of a fully integrated package manager.
You're in control. Windows has become really opaque in what it is doing re
updates.

One thing i really hate about windows and macOS is that a machine that
hasn't been used in a little while will spend the first 5-10 minutes upon
first use checking for updates from the various "stores" or applications
that automatically check. Rendering the machine almost useless during that
time. Then you need to respond to each of the notifications that this Tom,
Dick or Harry application needs to be updated/restarted. Such a PITA.

A central, single source for updates is much better than this.


2) Security and BSODs etc : Contrary to FUD, Windows 10 is actually
very secure unless you want to download softwares from
crackedfreesoftwares.ru.

Yep. Windows is a lot better now and most problems are self-inflicted. Why
are people still running Windows XP?

3) Atrocious Desktop Environments : My main reason of ditching linux.
Linux DEs are such a sad joke compared to Windows (or Mac) DE that it
is not even funny.

Yep. Gnome is awful. A bad mac OS copy that is too compromised. KDE also
went a bit nuts with its widgets craze. I like the simplicity of XFCE.

Windows and macOS are too in your face and you have little to no choice of
configuration. See the updates above.

The win 10 desktop is atrocious and infuriating. Inconsistent: so many
useful tools are still in the old Control Panel.
Poorly implemented: notifications disappear too quickly and you have no way
of finding them again.
The start menu doesn't have a recently used section anymore. Why?
The task bar is an amalgam of two things: a launcher and a task/window
manager. Not a good combination.
Looks terrible: nothing fits in the screen. I constantly have to scroll to
find options, plus there's so much blank space that there's no UI hint that
there's more content than you can see.
Everything is so flat and dull.


4) Sickening Hypocrisy of the Community : Let's start, shall we - i
Saw multiple. caustic rants about how MS Windows 10 provides a poor
inconsistent UI because of 2 settings menu (legacy and metro). And you
guys say this while primarily using a piece of jewel like Gnome 3. /s

Both can be and are bad

Linux is all about control. Just don't expect a fcking minimise
button by default on popular DEs like Gnome and Pantheon. OK got it.

The arrogance and know-it-all attitude of gnome devs and
elementary OS devs will put the arrogance of MS and Apple to shame.

Yup. In many place the linux community is obsessed with copying even the
bad bits from other OSs.


But i guess that's okay cause they are your own. iv Continuously
compare Windows from 2002 to Linux from 2017 and try to prove your
point about how linux desktop is superior. Continuously attack MS for
telemetry and control and while happily using Google services and FB.
Giving Apple a pass cause they are unix. The list goes on and on....

Yes and no. TBF MS & Apple are amongst the largest companies in the world
making 10s of billions every year. The open source community has nowhere
near the same resource. Although, the behemoths do contribute a bit to
support their pet projects.


5) Last but not the least, atrocious softwares - Yeah guys, accept it,
LibreOffice and GIMP sucks balls compared to MS Office and Photoshop.

Again see above. The budgets aren't comparable so they won't be of the same
quality. LO has been drifting and can't keep up.

Krita gives MS softwares a run for their money, but LibreOffice and
GIMP are simply cringy embarrassments. You will get fired if you dare
to make a presentation with LibreOffice Impress in a corporate
environment. It is so bad.

I've seen plenty bad PPTs in my life. Can't blame the tool.

VLC Media Player is out right bad compared
to Pot Player on Windows. Nothing on linux compared to MusicBee on
Windows. I won't even embarass you guys by talking about JRiver Media
Center. Most linux desktop softwares simply lacks the feautures,
polish and finesse compared to their Windows counterpart.
And no, it is not MS or Adobe's fault that those softwares are not
available on Linux. You guys continuously rant about evil proprietary
software.

Proprietary software is a real problem. Computing in the mainstream has
been around a few decades now and people are finding that files they
created not that long ago are impossible to read. And this is now spilling
over into the device space. I see the new BMW can be opened with your
smartphone. What happens when BMW stop supporting your version of phone?
You're locked out of your car until you buy a compatible phone? This is
happening with apps all over the place, e.g. Sonos, IoT kettles.

It's terrible for consumers. Linux shows there is an alternative. With
benefits for all.

FTR I use all three platforms regularly and curse at all of them, but my
preferred is still macOS. Primarily because it's Unix with office and
adobe. Windows is the worst IMO. The only thing it's got going for it is
gaming. I'm sure this is going to make me VERY popular around here

On 07/10/2019 12.10, Chris wrote:
Brian Dee wrote:
Let the denials begin.
You Linux geeks might want to read this one because this is what real
world people think of Linux. And if you are unable to read anything
but ASCII code, have your sister read it to you.

The tone isn't helping, but most of your points are pretty accurate.

The fact that the same post was posted a year ago doesn't help. And as
it was sent in order to stir the pot in anger, ie, trolling, doesn't
induce us to comment.

Your comments are nice, though.

....

VLC Media Player is out right bad compared
to Pot Player on Windows. Nothing on linux compared to MusicBee on
Windows. I won't even embarass you guys by talking about JRiver Media
Center. Most linux desktop softwares simply lacks the feautures,
polish and finesse compared to their Windows counterpart.
And no, it is not MS or Adobe's fault that those softwares are not
available on Linux. You guys continuously rant about evil proprietary
software.

Proprietary software is a real problem. Computing in the mainstream has
been around a few decades now and people are finding that files they
created not that long ago are impossible to read. And this is now spilling
over into the device space. I see the new BMW can be opened with your
smartphone. What happens when BMW stop supporting your version of phone?
You're locked out of your car until you buy a compatible phone? This is
happening with apps all over the place, e.g. Sonos, IoT kettles.

It's terrible for consumers. Linux shows there is an alternative. With
benefits for all.

FTR I use all three platforms regularly and curse at all of them, but my
preferred is still macOS. Primarily because it's Unix with office and
adobe. Windows is the worst IMO. The only thing it's got going for it is
gaming. I'm sure this is going to make me VERY popular around here

Don't forget that Linux is both free and gratis, made largely by a
myriad of volunteers in their own time. There is no boss that says what
style to use, so there can't be much consistency. There are often
alternatives for each task, made in their own styles. And there may be
no interest for finesse: when the tool does the task that the people
that made it wanted, there is no need to polish it nice and beautiful.
Thus there are so many CLIs instead of GUIs.

As I say, all gratis and free, so if it lacks this feature or that
polish, no matter. The alternative has a cost.

The consistency you find with perseverance. One ends knowing how things
will work. And if they work, they keep working. Then, there are no
virus. I have not suffered a virus in more than 20 years.

And finally, just use the OS that works for you best, or even better,
the OS that works better for your tasks. No bitterness or acrimony,
leave others in peace :-)


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Cheers, Carlos.

T wrote:

some nym-shifting troll wrote:

And as long as I have you dangling on a rope, how do I assign all the
buttons on my Logitech mouse on a program by program basis?

Come on, you surely can answer that one.

Lonely? Decided to go trolling to get attention?

"Brain Dee" is *still* whining about his "gazillion button mouse"?
What a *loser*.

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"DFS", lying shamelessly: If that was true, it would have a price tag
attached.

In article , Chris
wrote:

One thing i really hate about windows and macOS is that a machine that
hasn't been used in a little while will spend the first 5-10 minutes upon
first use checking for updates from the various "stores" or applications
that automatically check. Rendering the machine almost useless during that
time. Then you need to respond to each of the notifications that this Tom,
Dick or Harry application needs to be updated/restarted. Such a PITA.

only because you set it to auto-update.

disabling auto-update on macos is easy, not so much on win10.

it's also not useless while it's checking and downloading updates. only
when a reboot is required is it an annoyance, and win10 likes to do
that at inopportune times.

In article ,
nospam wrote:
In article , Chris
wrote:

One thing i really hate about windows and macOS is that a machine that
hasn't been used in a little while will spend the first 5-10 minutes upon
first use checking for updates from the various "stores" or applications
that automatically check. Rendering the machine almost useless during that
time. Then you need to respond to each of the notifications that this Tom,
Dick or Harry application needs to be updated/restarted. Such a PITA.

only because you set it to auto-update.

Totally false and wrong.

Auto-update is the default setup (in W10). Nobody has to (or ever would) set that.

disabling auto-update on macos is easy, not so much on win10.

Maybe easy for you. Not so for the typical user.

Note: I've never had a any kind of "auto-update" feature on my Mac.
Maybe because I am running a pretty old version of OSX; just never saw any
reason to "update". I guess I'm glad of that, given what you've said.

it's also not useless while it's checking and downloading updates.

Again, from your point-of-view, not from that of the typical user.
The typical user is going to find his machine more-or-less useless during
this period. Also, he probably thinks that "best practice" is to not mess
with it while it is doing this - and it it hard to argue otherwise - again,
from the perspective of the typical WinBlows user.

only when a reboot is required is it an annoyance, and win10 likes to do
that at inopportune times.

You got that right.

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In article , Kenny McCormack
wrote:

One thing i really hate about windows and macOS is that a machine that
hasn't been used in a little while will spend the first 5-10 minutes upon
first use checking for updates from the various "stores" or applications
that automatically check. Rendering the machine almost useless during that
time. Then you need to respond to each of the notifications that this Tom,
Dick or Harry application needs to be updated/restarted. Such a PITA.

only because you set it to auto-update.

Totally false and wrong.

it's exactly correct.

Auto-update is the default setup (in W10). Nobody has to (or ever would) set
that.

if they don't want auto-updates, they need to disable it.

not disabling it tells the system you *want* automatic updates. it
can't read minds. it's doing what it's told to do.

disabling auto-update on macos is easy, not so much on win10.

Maybe easy for you. Not so for the typical user.

for windows 10, that's true.

however, on mac os, it's very easy for anyone to disable some or all of
it. in system preferences:
http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/u...tic-os-x-updat
es.png

Note: I've never had a any kind of "auto-update" feature on my Mac.
Maybe because I am running a pretty old version of OSX; just never saw any
reason to "update". I guess I'm glad of that, given what you've said.

apple's app store has been around for about a decade, so yours would
need to be even older.

it's also not useless while it's checking and downloading updates.

Again, from your point-of-view, not from that of the typical user.
The typical user is going to find his machine more-or-less useless during
this period. Also, he probably thinks that "best practice" is to not mess
with it while it is doing this - and it it hard to argue otherwise - again,
from the perspective of the typical WinBlows user.

it's not useless while updates are being downloaded in the background.

only when the system needs to reboot is it a problem.

only when a reboot is required is it an annoyance, and win10 likes to do
that at inopportune times.

You got that right.

along with the rest.

On 07/10/2019 14:13, Kenny McCormack wrote:
Auto-update is the default setup (in W10).

You can change the default settings and make it update when you want it
to at a time of your choosing. Ask me how to do this as nobody here is
intelligent enough to know this.

Sop spreading fake news on Windows 10 newsgroup.





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😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

Sop (sic) spreading fake news on Windows 10 newsgroup.

Look who's talking!