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How do "Big Name" machines respond to generic XP OEM disks?
Actually, after considerable digging, I've decided I may be going about
this whole project backwards. Considering some of the staggering price differences between the various customizable options -- Falcon Northwest, Alienware, Velocity Micro, IBuyPower, Dell, etc, etc, and the monolithic jobs like Sony, HP, Gateway, (and the Powerspec which seems to exist in some sort of bizarre netherworld between a true clone and a monolith) the thought crosses my mind it might actually be CHEAPER to buy one of the monolithic machines AND an XP OEM disc (even the full boxed verson in addition to a monolith is cheaper than some of the configs I have run) and round up the rest of the hardware drivers from the net. QUESTION ... obviously there are mechanisms in the restore discs and the restore partitions of the monoliths to prevent them from being installed on another machine, but do any of them have any mechanisms to allow a new full copy of XP to be loaded on THEM? Thanks! Ax |
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How do "Big Name" machines respond to generic XP OEM disks?
Dell, HP, Gateway, Emachine etc all come with the OEM version of XP
installed, why would you want to go through the additional expense of buying yet another version of XP? True you don't get the OEM XP cd but you have a way of restoring back to original. I don't see how having the actual cd would buy you anything. wrote in message oups.com... Actually, after considerable digging, I've decided I may be going about this whole project backwards. Considering some of the staggering price differences between the various customizable options -- Falcon Northwest, Alienware, Velocity Micro, IBuyPower, Dell, etc, etc, and the monolithic jobs like Sony, HP, Gateway, (and the Powerspec which seems to exist in some sort of bizarre netherworld between a true clone and a monolith) the thought crosses my mind it might actually be CHEAPER to buy one of the monolithic machines AND an XP OEM disc (even the full boxed verson in addition to a monolith is cheaper than some of the configs I have run) and round up the rest of the hardware drivers from the net. QUESTION ... obviously there are mechanisms in the restore discs and the restore partitions of the monoliths to prevent them from being installed on another machine, but do any of them have any mechanisms to allow a new full copy of XP to be loaded on THEM? Thanks! Ax |
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I have a feeling that you are a troll in the making..
A clone is any computer based on X86 architecture other than IBM, so forget this 'true clone' jive.. all computer vendors will sell/supply OEM operating systems.. OEM is cheaper that retail versions.. The major manufacturers offer stylish, reasonably well balanced systems.. they have extensive service networks.. they make ranges of computers to suit performance and pocket.. the essence is that they try to provide the complete computing solution.. Mom & Pop vendors tend to put cheap parts in cheap cases.. you get what you pay for in this world.. You can also build your own.. it is not difficult, is no cheaper, but at least you know what has gone into it.. Future-proofing is anathema to the world of computers.. technology can make quantum leaps overnight, kicking even the best of today's systems firmly into touch.. Just buy a computer that you can afford, and quit stalling.. wrote in message oups.com... Actually, after considerable digging, I've decided I may be going about this whole project backwards. Considering some of the staggering price differences between the various customizable options -- Falcon Northwest, Alienware, Velocity Micro, IBuyPower, Dell, etc, etc, and the monolithic jobs like Sony, HP, Gateway, (and the Powerspec which seems to exist in some sort of bizarre netherworld between a true clone and a monolith) the thought crosses my mind it might actually be CHEAPER to buy one of the monolithic machines AND an XP OEM disc (even the full boxed verson in addition to a monolith is cheaper than some of the configs I have run) and round up the rest of the hardware drivers from the net. QUESTION ... obviously there are mechanisms in the restore discs and the restore partitions of the monoliths to prevent them from being installed on another machine, but do any of them have any mechanisms to allow a new full copy of XP to be loaded on THEM? Thanks! Ax |
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"Mike Hall" wrote in message ... I have a feeling that you are a troll in the making.. A clone is any computer based on X86 architecture other than IBM, so forget this 'true clone' jive.. all computer vendors will sell/supply OEM operating systems.. OEM is cheaper that retail versions.. The major manufacturers offer stylish, reasonably well balanced systems.. they have extensive service networks.. they make ranges of computers to suit performance and pocket.. the essence is that they try to provide the complete computing solution.. Mom & Pop vendors tend to put cheap parts in cheap cases.. you get what you pay for in this world.. You can also build your own.. it is not difficult, is no cheaper, but at least you know what has gone into it.. Future-proofing is anathema to the world of computers.. technology can make quantum leaps overnight, kicking even the best of today's systems firmly into touch.. Just buy a computer that you can afford, and quit stalling.. You are very uninformed..... |
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"Frank" wrote in message ... "Mike Hall" wrote in message ... I have a feeling that you are a troll in the making.. A clone is any computer based on X86 architecture other than IBM, so forget this 'true clone' jive.. all computer vendors will sell/supply OEM operating systems.. OEM is cheaper that retail versions.. The major manufacturers offer stylish, reasonably well balanced systems.. they have extensive service networks.. they make ranges of computers to suit performance and pocket.. the essence is that they try to provide the complete computing solution.. Mom & Pop vendors tend to put cheap parts in cheap cases.. you get what you pay for in this world.. You can also build your own.. it is not difficult, is no cheaper, but at least you know what has gone into it.. Future-proofing is anathema to the world of computers.. technology can make quantum leaps overnight, kicking even the best of today's systems firmly into touch.. Just buy a computer that you can afford, and quit stalling.. You are very uninformed..... Frank I didn't say that the major manufacturer stuff was good or any better or that their support and service network is any good or better.. I chose not to pass judgement as it is up to the buyer to make a final choice.. Personally, I wouldn't touch major manufacturer or mom&pop stuff, preferring to build my own.. so where am I so uninformed?.. Mike |
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Considering some of the staggering price differences between the various customizable options -- Falcon Northwest, Alienware, Velocity Micro, IBuyPower, Dell, etc, etc, and the monolithic jobs like Sony, HP, Gateway, (and the Powerspec which seems to exist in some sort of bizarre netherworld between a true clone and a monolith) the thought crosses my mind it might actually be CHEAPER to buy one of the monolithic machines AND an XP OEM disc (even the full boxed verson in addition to a monolith is cheaper than some of the configs I have run) and round up the rest of the hardware drivers from the net. You're about to make a costly purchase. If you can't be bothered to figure out what makes some PCs cost more than others, and are buying on price alone, then you deserve what you will get. Paying MS for 2 licenses for one PC is a bad answer - basically, you are saying that gouging the user is a good way to make more money. I guess it's Darwin take the hindmost, though... ------------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - - The rights you save may be your own ------------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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cquirke (MVP Win9x) wrote: You're about to make a costly purchase. If you can't be bothered to figure out what makes some PCs cost more than others, and are buying on price alone, then you deserve what you will get. Paying MS for 2 licenses for one PC is a bad answer - basically, you are saying that gouging the user is a good way to make more money. I guess it's Darwin take the hindmost, though... Check this out though: The machine in question is a Powerspec 9262 -- 3.4 GHz, 1 GB RAM, 250 GB HD, 16X DVD-ROM, 16X dual layer DVD+R 8X DVD-R, XP Pro. Sticker is $1299 - $100 rebate = $1199 + $150 for an XP OEM disk = $1349. Now, it's almost impossible to do an apples & apples as it looks like Dell pretty much forces you into a 15 month subscription to either Norton or McAfee, but, near as I can tell, the closest config that I could come up with on Dell was on a Dimension 8400 which came out to $1768. $1768 - $1349 = $419 that I'm ahead even though I had to pay that S.O.B. Gates for two licenses for the same box. Ax |
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cquirke (MVP Win9x) wrote: On 3 Jan 2005 08:12:27 -0800, wrote: The machine in question is a Powerspec 9262 -- 3.4 GHz, 1 GB RAM, 250 GB HD, 16X DVD-ROM, 16X dual layer DVD+R 8X DVD-R, XP Pro. Sticker is $1299 - $100 rebate = $1199 + $150 for an XP OEM disk = $1349. Motherboard chipset? Proprietary parts? Micro-ATX? PSU power rating? Integrated SVGA with no slot for alternate? If it's the wrong spec, the price is irrelevant. I'd forget the lame bland stuff entirely, and find someone clued enough to assemble the spec you want. I doubt very much whether there'd be much price variance, assuming the spec was similar. Simply having the same processor, RAM, HD and peripherals is not "similar". That's just it ... near as I can tell, on the hardware side anyway, this beast actually is a "true clone", or certainly as close as I have seen in an "off-the-shelf" box ... http://www.powerspec.com/systems/sys...selection=9262 Motherboard is at full ATX -- Intel D915PGN -- 4 DDR-400 RAM slots, Intel 915P chipset. Now, it has some sort of on-board "Realtek ALC860" on-board sound that I haven't been able to figure out how to disable in BIOS, but I'm guessing XP would recognize a Soundblaster Audigy or something if I installed one. It has a PCI Express X16 video slot that came from the factory with an nVidia GeForce FX 5300 128MB video card which I swapped out for an ATI X600 All-In-Wonder card almost immediately and it seems to be working perfectly. Nope ... looks like this box really is a clone ... only problem is that the system restore disk has no ability to go into fdisk or do any other customization that I have been able to see -- to say nothing of forcing an installation of some sort of Norton trial version or something of the sort. So near and yet so far ... Ax |
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How do "Big Name" machines respond to generic XP OEM disks?
wrote in message oups.com... cquirke (MVP Win9x) wrote: On 3 Jan 2005 08:12:27 -0800, wrote: That's just it ... near as I can tell, on the hardware side anyway, this beast actually is a "true clone", or certainly as close as I have seen in an "off-the-shelf" box ... http://www.powerspec.com/systems/sys...selection=9262 Motherboard is at full ATX -- Intel D915PGN -- 4 DDR-400 RAM slots, Intel 915P chipset. Now, it has some sort of on-board "Realtek ALC860" on-board sound that I haven't been able to figure out how to disable in BIOS, but I'm guessing XP would recognize a Soundblaster Audigy or something if I installed one. It has a PCI Express X16 video slot that came from the factory with an nVidia GeForce FX 5300 128MB video card which I swapped out for an ATI X600 All-In-Wonder card almost immediately and it seems to be working perfectly. Nope ... looks like this box really is a clone ... only problem is that the system restore disk has no ability to go into fdisk or do any other customization that I have been able to see -- to say nothing of forcing an installation of some sort of Norton trial version or something of the sort. This is about as close as you are going to get to a home built without actually doing the labor. That realtek AC97 sound is just as good as my Audigy if not better. They do not tell what is the make of the motherboard. It has an Intel chipset but it is not an Intel board. All mainboards are not created equally. |
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Frank wrote: wrote in message oups.com... cquirke (MVP Win9x) wrote: On 3 Jan 2005 08:12:27 -0800, wrote: That's just it ... near as I can tell, on the hardware side anyway, this beast actually is a "true clone", or certainly as close as I have seen in an "off-the-shelf" box ... http://www.powerspec.com/systems/sys...selection=9262 Motherboard is at full ATX -- Intel D915PGN -- 4 DDR-400 RAM slots, Intel 915P chipset. Now, it has some sort of on-board "Realtek ALC860" on-board sound that I haven't been able to figure out how to disable in BIOS, but I'm guessing XP would recognize a Soundblaster Audigy or something if I installed one. It has a PCI Express X16 video slot that came from the factory with an nVidia GeForce FX 5300 128MB video card which I swapped out for an ATI X600 All-In-Wonder card almost immediately and it seems to be working perfectly. Nope ... looks like this box really is a clone ... only problem is that the system restore disk has no ability to go into fdisk or do any other customization that I have been able to see -- to say nothing of forcing an installation of some sort of Norton trial version or something of the sort. This is about as close as you are going to get to a home built without actually doing the labor. That realtek AC97 sound is just as good as my Audigy if not better. They do not tell what is the make of the motherboard. It has an Intel chipset but it is not an Intel board. All mainboards are not created equally. Oh, it's an Intel motherboard alright: D915PGN. Only tricky area seems to be with that onboard sound ... can't seem to find the gain control for the microphone for one thing, and for another Mandrake doesn't seem to want to work with it -- and no other version of Linux will run on this box with the exception of Knoppix and it also can't access the on-board sound. Ax |
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wrote in message oups.com... Frank wrote: wrote in message oups.com... cquirke (MVP Win9x) wrote: On 3 Jan 2005 08:12:27 -0800, wrote: That's just it ... near as I can tell, on the hardware side anyway, this beast actually is a "true clone", or certainly as close as I have seen in an "off-the-shelf" box ... http://www.powerspec.com/systems/sys...selection=9262 Motherboard is at full ATX -- Intel D915PGN -- 4 DDR-400 RAM slots, Intel 915P chipset. Now, it has some sort of on-board "Realtek ALC860" on-board sound that I haven't been able to figure out how to disable in BIOS, but I'm guessing XP would recognize a Soundblaster Audigy or something if I installed one. It has a PCI Express X16 video slot that came from the factory with an nVidia GeForce FX 5300 128MB video card which I swapped out for an ATI X600 All-In-Wonder card almost immediately and it seems to be working perfectly. Nope ... looks like this box really is a clone ... only problem is that the system restore disk has no ability to go into fdisk or do any other customization that I have been able to see -- to say nothing of forcing an installation of some sort of Norton trial version or something of the sort. This is about as close as you are going to get to a home built without actually doing the labor. That realtek AC97 sound is just as good as my Audigy if not better. They do not tell what is the make of the motherboard. It has an Intel chipset but it is not an Intel board. All mainboards are not created equally. Oh, it's an Intel motherboard alright: D915PGN. Only tricky area seems to be with that onboard sound ... can't seem to find the gain control for the microphone for one thing, and for another Mandrake doesn't seem to want to work with it -- and no other version of Linux will run on this box with the exception of Knoppix and it also can't access the on-board sound. That is a pretty new chipset for Linux. The 865P were not stable until 2.4.20. Also I have a Gigabyte 865PE that uses a Realtek AC for windows but with Debian it picks it up as an Intel i810_audio + ac97_codec. Do a lspci see if anything is unknown. This is another reason that I stick with Debian. If it don't work, its not stable yet. good luck |
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