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I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U.
Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since i don't have any windows10 DVD ? Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ? |
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On 07/11/2015 10:39, Sydney wrote:
I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U. Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since i don't have any windows10 DVD ? Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ? Hello Sydney In all probability, you will be able to use your Windows 7 DVD to reinstall Windows 7 on your computer. All data on it, though, will be lost! :-( May I refer you to this article? Please read and absorb what is said. https://askleo.com/do-you-back-up/ I hope this is of help to you. :-) |
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writes: I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U. Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since i don't have any windows10 DVD ? Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ? As ~BD~ says, in all probability yes - but you'd be far better imaging your system (the usual suspects are Macrium and Acronis, I think; obviously read up and make sure you get a recent version that is compatible with W10 [I don't know if there is anything weird about W10, but there might be, that older versions of the imagers don't work with]). The reason I say this is: yes (probably), you could reload 7, then "upgrade" to 10 - and then (or for some things, before the "upgrade") reinstall _all_ your software, then reconfigure all of it - and the OS - so it runs how you like it. Unless you use very little software and leave most things at their defaults, just think about how long that would take you! Imaging, by contrast, restores everything _to how it is when you made the image_ - all software is installed, and set up how you like it. Personally, also, I try to keep a separate partition (or drive on machines where that can be done - not most laptops let alone netbooks), for the OS and the software, with all data on a different one. This makes the part that has to be _imaged_ smaller, thus making the process quicker, so you're more likely to actually _do_ it more often. (The image should be of the OS-and-software partition, _as well as_ any "secret" hidden partitions, boot areas, etcetera - basically so you can restore it to a blank disc if necessary.) Of course, your data should be backed up too, but that doesn't have to involve imaging - at its simplest it just involves copying, though something that synchronises the copies (so only what's changed is copied, roughly) speeds that up a lot. I will say there are some who _don't_ endorse separating software (including the OS) from data, and that's OK too. The thought of restoring this machine from scratch to where it is now - many _years_ of installations and tweaks - gives me the heebie jeebies. Restoring it from an _image_, in contrast, would I think take less than an hour (quite a lot less in the case of just the software part). [I've learnt this the hard way - my HD stopped _suddenly_ about a year ago. Fortunately, I was eventually able to get it going (the heads had stuck to the platter so it stopped going round; I opened it up in a clean-cupboard and it then spun again, and I was able to rescue enough of the system {to a new disc, via imaging software!} that I _didn't_ have to do a restore-from-scratch); I now image (the OS etc.) and copy (the data) not infrequently. (Actually planning to do one today - it's been too long since I did.) To an external disc. FWIW, I use Macrium.] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf _IMPORTANT INSTRUCTIONS_ BEFORE ALL TECHNICAL INTERVENTION ON THE [CASE CUT THE ELECTRICAL FEEDING REGULAR MAINTENANCE PROVIDES THE GOOD WORKING OF A CASE (SEE INSTRUCTIONS BOOK) [seen on bacon cabinet in Tesco (a large grocery chain)] |
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Sydney wrote:
I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U. Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since i don't have any windows10 DVD ? Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ? Media is available. You want this one. Release 10240 can be obtained here. Change the country code (en-us part), if you want one in your native language. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO The Windows Insider program also has a DVD. So someone on the Insider program can keep one of these for re-installation. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...iderpreviewiso Paul |
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Sydney wrote:
I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U. Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since i don't have any windows10 DVD ? Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ? Multiple options (the most common are) - System Restore - Restore using a prior created image (e.g. Acronis, Ghost, Macrium) - Reinstall Win10 using media created from from the Win10 Media Creation Tool - the last option will provide a Win10 DVD, orWin10 USB Boot Drive, or Win10 iso file -- ....winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Le 07/11/2015 14:55, Ken1943 a écrit :
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:39:21 +0100, Sydney wrote: I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U. Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since i don't have any windows10 DVD ? Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ? Get a dvd download for your version of Windows 10. You can do a repair reinstall with it. That will keep all your programs and settings. I had to do it once already. Ken1943 I chose to make an system image with Macrium Reflect. so i downloaded the reflect program and ran it. Ift failed with the code0x800ffff Error Selected Writer RegistryWriter is in failed state VSS ERROr this error is documented in the Web but I am not sure how to import the registryWriter key [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Macrium\Reflect\Exclud edWriters] "RegistryWriter"="{afbab4a2-367d-4d15-a586-71dbb18f8485}" I still need help please |
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Sydney wrote:
Le 07/11/2015 14:55, Ken1943 a écrit : On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:39:21 +0100, Sydney wrote: I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U. Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since i don't have any windows10 DVD ? Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ? Get a dvd download for your version of Windows 10. You can do a repair reinstall with it. That will keep all your programs and settings. I had to do it once already. Ken1943 I chose to make an system image with Macrium Reflect. so i downloaded the reflect program and ran it. Ift failed with the code0x800ffff Error Selected Writer RegistryWriter is in failed state VSS ERROr this error is documented in the Web but I am not sure how to import the registryWriter key [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Macrium\Reflect\Exclud edWriters] "RegistryWriter"="{afbab4a2-367d-4d15-a586-71dbb18f8485}" I still need help please Piece of cake. Burn the Macrium Rescue CD (the WINPE5 version). Boot the computer with it. There is no need for VSS if you do backups with the Macrium Rescue CD as the "OS" when it runs. When the CD is running, you can back up the regular OS partition, to an external hard drive or other storage device. I don't know if a troubleshooter is available for VSS or not. Check the Win10 control panel, look for Troubleshoot, then type "VSS" in the search box in the upper right, and see if any repair is available. (I can't check my Win10 machine right now, as it is "busy" doing a backup and is running another OS at the moment :-) ) http://knowledgebase.macrium.com/dis...oft+VSS+errors "We also provide a program which will recreate the correct registry setting and re-register all VSS components. Please download one of the below programs to fix your problem: VSSfix 32bit - download VSSfix 64bit - download " HTH, Paul |
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In message , Paul
writes: Sydney wrote: [] I chose to make an system image with Macrium Reflect. so i downloaded the reflect program and ran it. Ift failed with the code0x800ffff Error Selected Writer RegistryWriter is in failed state VSS ERROr [] Piece of cake. Burn the Macrium Rescue CD (the WINPE5 version). Boot I was going to say that, but refrained, because - AIRI - to get to a point where you _can_ burn the rescue CD, you have to run something you've downloaded - i. e. I don't think there's just an ISO (or whatever) of the rescue CD for download, you have to run something to "build" it. And I assume it was that which Sydney was having no success in running. the computer with it. There is no need for VSS if you do backups with the Macrium Rescue CD as the "OS" when it runs. When the CD is running, you can back up the regular OS partition, to an external hard drive or other storage device. +1 (once you've got to the point where you can make the CD). [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is. |
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On 11/7/15 3:39 AM, Sydney wrote:
I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U. Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since i don't have any windows10 DVD ? Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ? In addition to the Macrium Reflect suggestions, which you've already done I see from another message, you can also make a system image using Windows Backup and Restore. From looking at Macrium's website, I'm sure the MS system is much more "plain" in it's options. To use those W10 disks, you will need to burn a Windows Repair disk in order to get to Startup Repair, System Restore, and other options. I am assuming worst case scenario such as a BSOD. I do suggest you make sure System Restore is even turned on. I'm just getting into my first install of W10, and I *think* it is turned off by default. If it's not the worst case scenario, you can get to the same repair options by holding the shift key down and selecting Restart. I also suggest you download the Media Creation Tool, the old name apparently, at the first link in Paul's first reply. All 3 of these methods get you same setup or repair options. Note, I think the disk downloaded from Paul's link does NOT have the actual W10 files. Even using that disk, eventually you end up downloading and installing W10 from MS. I'm going to be checking that out shortly by trying to install a copy of W10 without having an internet connection. There is a plus in downloading fresh from MS. You will get the latest updates available at that time. If you reinstall a previously created image using Macrium Reflect or Windows Backup and Restore, you will then have to sit and wait for W10 to install any updates that are available. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 36.0.4 Thunderbird 31.5 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Ken Springer wrote:
In addition to the Macrium Reflect suggestions, which you've already done I see from another message, you can also make a system image using Windows Backup and Restore. From looking at Macrium's website, I'm sure the MS system is much more "plain" in it's options. If VSS is broken, your choices are limited. Better to fix VSS, as then you have many more options. If VSS reports 0x8000FFFF in Macrium, the Windows 7 Backup program will also report 0x8000FFFF. That's the problem when your VSS is sick. Booting a backup software CD, so that the regular Windows OS is not running, is a temporary solution. That way, you can arrange some kind of backup. But eventually you have to fix the VSS, as too much stuff relies on it, and sooner or later, more "hex codes" will be filling your computer screen. Paul |
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On 11/9/15 4:09 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: In addition to the Macrium Reflect suggestions, which you've already done I see from another message, you can also make a system image using Windows Backup and Restore. From looking at Macrium's website, I'm sure the MS system is much more "plain" in it's options. If VSS is broken, your choices are limited. Better to fix VSS, as then you have many more options. If VSS reports 0x8000FFFF in Macrium, the Windows 7 Backup program will also report 0x8000FFFF. That's the problem when your VSS is sick. Doesn't this depend on whether you have your heart set on having a system image as your backup plan? The question should be asked, when and maybe why did VSS break? If you use the disk or shiftrestart, and restoring to a previous point via System Restore fixes VSS, then personally I don't really care why VSS broke. Booting a backup software CD, so that the regular Windows OS is not running, is a temporary solution. That way, you can arrange some kind of backup. I'm not following you here, Paul. Sorry. I wasn't implying that I would be booting into W10 and running W10 from a disk. I don't know if you can even do that. shrugging shoulders But eventually you have to fix the VSS, as too much stuff relies on it, and sooner or later, more "hex codes" will be filling your computer screen. This is one place where I think W10 is an improvement, even if you have to have an internet connection to do it. One of the repair options available using the disc or ShiftRestart options is you can reinstall the OS ending up with the latest version, keeping or destroying your files (which I assume the routine expects you to be using your personal data folders), and with a couple of disk formatting options. Let's say the VSS is broken. Now, you have to decide which is the most efficient, figuring out why VSS is broken, finding a fix, and then repairing. Or, simply reinstalling the OS straight to the latest version. And while the OS is being reinstalled, you can be doing something else. :-) -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 36.0.4 Thunderbird 31.5 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 11/9/15 3:46 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
Note, I think the disk downloaded from Paul's link does NOT have the actual W10 files. Even using that disk, eventually you end up downloading and installing W10 from MS. I'm going to be checking that out shortly by trying to install a copy of W10 without having an internet connection. Apparently, it does not. There's two sections during the W10 install, first the default blue screen where it says Installing Windows X% in the upper left corner (or something like that) and again later where there's a large number saying X% with a circular progress bar that goes around while the number increments. At approximately 18% in the first screen, I unplugged the Ethernet cable. In a minute or two, it went back to the W7 desktop with the message that the update had failed. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 36.0.4 Thunderbird 31.5 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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writes: On 11/9/15 3:46 PM, Ken Springer wrote: Note, I think the disk downloaded from Paul's link does NOT have the actual W10 files. Even using that disk, eventually you end up downloading and installing W10 from MS. I'm going to be checking that out shortly by trying to install a copy of W10 without having an internet connection. Apparently, it does not. There's two sections during the W10 install, first the default blue screen where it says Installing Windows X% in the upper left corner (or something like that) and again later where there's a large number saying X% with a circular progress bar that goes around while the number increments. At approximately 18% in the first screen, I unplugged the Ethernet cable. In a minute or two, it went back to the W7 desktop with the message that the update had failed. I'm not surprised it did that if it started _with_ such a connection. It'd be interesting if you repeated the process with no connection from the start - or, as is likely, am I missing something. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Veni, Vidi, Vera (I came, I saw, we'll meet again) - Mik from S+AS Limited ), 1998 |
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Le 07/11/2015 14:55, Ken1943 a écrit :
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:39:21 +0100, Sydney wrote: I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U. Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since i don't have any windows10 DVD ? Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ? Get a dvd download for your version of Windows 10. You can do a repair reinstall with it. That will keep all your programs and settings. I had to do it once already. Ken1943 I have this already What I want to do is a disk image as a cure for future problems. |
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On 11/10/15 12:30 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer writes: On 11/9/15 3:46 PM, Ken Springer wrote: Note, I think the disk downloaded from Paul's link does NOT have the actual W10 files. Even using that disk, eventually you end up downloading and installing W10 from MS. I'm going to be checking that out shortly by trying to install a copy of W10 without having an internet connection. Apparently, it does not. There's two sections during the W10 install, first the default blue screen where it says Installing Windows X% in the upper left corner (or something like that) and again later where there's a large number saying X% with a circular progress bar that goes around while the number increments. At approximately 18% in the first screen, I unplugged the Ethernet cable. In a minute or two, it went back to the W7 desktop with the message that the update had failed. I'm not surprised it did that if it started _with_ such a connection. It'd be interesting if you repeated the process with no connection from the start - or, as is likely, am I missing something. My hunch is it will still fail. I'll have at least 4 more machines to upgrade to W10, I try to remember to do that with the next one. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 36.0.4 Thunderbird 31.5 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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