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Never10 - a tool from Gibson Research Corporation
Never10
The name “Never 10” is a bit of an overstatement, since this utility may also be used to easily re-enable Windows operating system automatic upgrading. But the primary reason for using this is to disable Windows' pestering insistence upon upgrading Windows 7 or 8.1 to Windows 10. Many users of Windows 7 and 8.1 are happy with their current version of Windows, and have no wish to upgrade to Windows 10. There are many reasons for this, but among them is the fact that Windows 10 has become controversial due to Microsoft's evolution of their Windows operating system platform into a service which, among other things, aggressively monitors and reports on its users activities. This alone makes many users uncomfortable enough to cause them to choose to wait. In line with this, a few months into 2016, Windows 10 started displaying unsolicited advertisements on its users' desktops. Others dislike the changes Microsoft made by merging their failed “tiled” smartphone user-interface into the Windows UI. And, finally, some object to being force-fed whatever Microsoft wants and simply wish to choose for themselves. In July of 2015, responding to the significant user backlash, Microsoft added features to its Windows Update facility which allow it to be configured, on a machine-by-machine basis, to not forcibly upgrade qualifying Windows 7 and 8.1 operating systems to Windows 10. However, Microsoft did not make this configuration simple. It requires the use of the group policy editor (which is not present in some qualifying systems) and/or the system registry. In other words, they created some deep internal configuration options but chose not to provide a simple user-interface to give their users the choice. “Never10” provides that choice. https://www.grc.com/never10.htm -- "I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them." Pablo Picasso (1881 - 1973) |
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Never10 - a tool from Gibson Research Corporation
On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:14:59 +0100, "David B."
wrote: Never10 The name Never 10 is a bit of an overstatement, since this utility may also be used to easily re-enable Windows operating system automatic upgrading. But the primary reason for using this is to disable Windows' pestering insistence upon upgrading Windows 7 or 8.1 to Windows 10. Many users of Windows 7 and 8.1 are happy with their current version of Windows, and have no wish to upgrade to Windows 10. There are many reasons for this, but among them is the fact that Windows 10 has become controversial due to Microsoft's evolution of their Windows operating system platform into a service which, among other things, aggressively monitors and reports on its users activities. This alone makes many users uncomfortable enough to cause them to choose to wait. In line with this, a few months into 2016, Windows 10 started displaying unsolicited advertisements on its users' desktops. Others dislike the changes Microsoft made by merging their failed tiled smartphone user-interface into the Windows UI. And, finally, some object to being force-fed whatever Microsoft wants and simply wish to choose for themselves. In July of 2015, responding to the significant user backlash, Microsoft added features to its Windows Update facility which allow it to be configured, on a machine-by-machine basis, to not forcibly upgrade qualifying Windows 7 and 8.1 operating systems to Windows 10. However, Microsoft did not make this configuration simple. It requires the use of the group policy editor (which is not present in some qualifying systems) and/or the system registry. In other words, they created some deep internal configuration options but chose not to provide a simple user-interface to give their users the choice. Never10 provides that choice. https://www.grc.com/never10.htm Should have been named 'Better late than never' Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. -- p-0.0-h the cat Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat, Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, ******* hacker, Resident evil, Monkey Boy, Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath, the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll infme, the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife troll, shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook, smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag, liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up chav, lycanthropic schizotypal lesbian, the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball. NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery. By Appointment to God Frank-Lin. Signature integrity check md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896 |
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On 11/05/2016 09:50, p-0''0-h the cat (ES) wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:14:59 +0100, "David B." wrote: Never10 The name Never 10 is a bit of an overstatement, since this utility may also be used to easily re-enable Windows operating system automatic upgrading. But the primary reason for using this is to disable Windows' pestering insistence upon upgrading Windows 7 or 8.1 to Windows 10. Many users of Windows 7 and 8.1 are happy with their current version of Windows, and have no wish to upgrade to Windows 10. There are many reasons for this, but among them is the fact that Windows 10 has become controversial due to Microsoft's evolution of their Windows operating system platform into a service which, among other things, aggressively monitors and reports on its users activities. This alone makes many users uncomfortable enough to cause them to choose to wait. In line with this, a few months into 2016, Windows 10 started displaying unsolicited advertisements on its users' desktops. Others dislike the changes Microsoft made by merging their failed tiled smartphone user-interface into the Windows UI. And, finally, some object to being force-fed whatever Microsoft wants and simply wish to choose for themselves. In July of 2015, responding to the significant user backlash, Microsoft added features to its Windows Update facility which allow it to be configured, on a machine-by-machine basis, to not forcibly upgrade qualifying Windows 7 and 8.1 operating systems to Windows 10. However, Microsoft did not make this configuration simple. It requires the use of the group policy editor (which is not present in some qualifying systems) and/or the system registry. In other words, they created some deep internal configuration options but chose not to provide a simple user-interface to give their users the choice. Never10 provides that choice. https://www.grc.com/never10.htm Should have been named 'Better late than never' Maybe so! :-) Will you try it? Perhaps you'd like to join in the discussion I've started he- http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...=1462955756745 I suspect the moderators will jump on it fairly quickly, but there is an hour or two before America wakes up! ;-) -- "I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them." Pablo Picasso (1881 - 1973) |
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Never10 - a tool from Gibson Research Corporation
On Wed, 11 May 2016 10:06:00 +0100, "David B."
wrote: On 11/05/2016 09:50, p-0''0-h the cat (ES) wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:14:59 +0100, "David B." wrote: Never10 The name Never 10 is a bit of an overstatement, since this utility may also be used to easily re-enable Windows operating system automatic upgrading. But the primary reason for using this is to disable Windows' pestering insistence upon upgrading Windows 7 or 8.1 to Windows 10. Many users of Windows 7 and 8.1 are happy with their current version of Windows, and have no wish to upgrade to Windows 10. There are many reasons for this, but among them is the fact that Windows 10 has become controversial due to Microsoft's evolution of their Windows operating system platform into a service which, among other things, aggressively monitors and reports on its users activities. This alone makes many users uncomfortable enough to cause them to choose to wait. In line with this, a few months into 2016, Windows 10 started displaying unsolicited advertisements on its users' desktops. Others dislike the changes Microsoft made by merging their failed tiled smartphone user-interface into the Windows UI. And, finally, some object to being force-fed whatever Microsoft wants and simply wish to choose for themselves. In July of 2015, responding to the significant user backlash, Microsoft added features to its Windows Update facility which allow it to be configured, on a machine-by-machine basis, to not forcibly upgrade qualifying Windows 7 and 8.1 operating systems to Windows 10. However, Microsoft did not make this configuration simple. It requires the use of the group policy editor (which is not present in some qualifying systems) and/or the system registry. In other words, they created some deep internal configuration options but chose not to provide a simple user-interface to give their users the choice. Never10 provides that choice. https://www.grc.com/never10.htm Should have been named 'Better late than never' Maybe so! :-) Will you try it? No. Perhaps you'd like to join in the discussion I've started he- http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...=1462955756745 I suspect the moderators will jump on it fairly quickly, but there is an hour or two before America wakes up! ;-) Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. -- p-0.0-h the cat Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat, Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, ******* hacker, Resident evil, Monkey Boy, Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath, the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll infme, the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife troll, shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook, smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag, liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up chav, lycanthropic schizotypal lesbian, the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball. NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery. By Appointment to God Frank-Lin. Signature integrity check md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896 |
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[OT]Never10 - a tool from Gibson Research Corporation
On Wed, 11 May 2016 10:06:00 +0100, "David B."
wrote: Maybe so! :-) Will you try it? No Perhaps you'd like to join in the discussion I've started he- hxxp://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows No. I thought that was what the alt.comp.os.windows-10 newsgroup was for. Don't forget the [OT] if you post to completely unrelated groups. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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Never10 - a tool from Gibson Research Corporation
David B. explained :
Never10 The name “Never 10” is a bit of an overstatement, since this utility may also be used to easily re-enable Windows operating system automatic upgrading. But the primary reason for using this is to disable Windows' pestering insistence upon upgrading Windows 7 or 8.1 to Windows 10. I got rid of it permanently simply by 'upgrading' to Windows 10. |
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Never10 - a tool from Gibson Research Corporation
On 11/05/2016 14:13, FromTheRafters wrote:
David B. explained : Never10 The name “Never 10” is a bit of an overstatement, since this utility may also be used to easily re-enable Windows operating system automatic upgrading. But the primary reason for using this is to disable Windows' pestering insistence upon upgrading Windows 7 or 8.1 to Windows 10. I got rid of it permanently simply by 'upgrading' to Windows 10. :-) Me too! -- "I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them." Pablo Picasso (1881 - 1973) |
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Never10 - a tool from Gibson Research Corporation
On 11/05/2016 12:24, burfordTjustice, Clueless as usual recommended ..
http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/201...ly-remove.html You STOLE that advice from here!!! http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...=1462955756745 |
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Never10 - a tool from Gibson Research Corporation
On 11/05/2016 09:14, David B. wrote:
Never10 all crap snipped Is this all you do whole day trawling the net and posting spam links on newsgroups? the articles you are referring to are factually incorrect and not worthy of reading by any intelligent person. They are suitable for idiots like you who don't even know what Windows 10 is about. You need to use Windows 10 to know it better. Just reading articles that are incorrect is not going to enhance your knowledge. In short, can you just **** off. -- /*This post contains rich text (HTML). if you don't like it then you can kill-filter the poster without crying about it like a small baby so that you don't see this poster's posts ever again.*/ /*This message is best read in Mozilla Thunderbird as it uses 21st century technology.*/ |
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Good Guy wrote:
On 11/05/2016 09:14, David B. wrote: Never10 all crap snipped Is this all you do whole day trawling the net and posting spam links on newsgroups? *NO* SPAM has been posted by me. the articles you are referring to are factually incorrect and not worthy of reading by any intelligent person. They are suitable for idiots like you who don't even know what Windows 10 is about. You need to use Windows 10 to know it better. Just reading articles that are incorrect is not going to enhance your knowledge. Do you have sufficient acumen to read the header of this message? If so, please report what operating system I have used to make this reply to you. I don't hold grudges. I will accept your apology if forthcoming. David B. |
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"David B." "David news:ngvp5j$mi2$1
@boaterdave.dont-email.me Wed, 11 May 2016 17:16:09 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: burfordTjustice *LIED* - *AGAIN*!!! Pot kettle black, eh? smile -- MID: Hmmm. I most certainly don't understand how I can access a copy of a zip file but then not be able to unzip it so I can watch it. That seems VERY clever! http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=145716711400 |
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Never10 - a tool from Gibson Research Corporation
David B. wrote:
Many users of Windows 7 and 8.1 are happy with their current version of Windows, and have no wish to upgrade to Windows 10. There are many reasons for this, but among them is the fact that Windows 10 has become controversial due to Microsoft's evolution of their Windows operating system platform into a service which, among other things, aggressively monitors and reports on its users activities. This alone makes many users uncomfortable enough to cause them to choose to wait. The amount of spying in Windows 10 is only incrementally more than what was employed within Windows 7/8 (and equally disabable via manual intervention). In fact, rather than separately discover each tweak to modify spying, er, telemetry features in Win10, there are tools that will assist with that task (rather than dig around inside Win10 to find them), like: O&O ShutUp10 https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 (portable app) Spybot Anti-Beacon https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/ (portable edition available) Destroy Windows 10 Spying http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/deta...10_spying.html (portable app) DoNotSpy10 http://pxc-coding.com/portfolio/donotspy10/ (Requires .NET Framework 4.5 or higher) (If you are afraid of and are ignorant of how OpenCandy works to offer bundleware and fear you cannot say No, don't use this one.) (Donationware aka PAYWARE version not ad-supported.) I have not researched or used these to know which ones overlap the others by how much or which ones encompass more privacy settings. There were more privacy tools but some dumped or discontinued working on theirs when O&O ShutUp10 showed up. I would stick with those that have a portable edition. The lack of user control over updates (to not install some rather than merely delay them) should be of more concern. Microsoft has a history of destructive updates. Of course, for those users that let Microsoft change the state of their PCs by using automatic updates or blindly accepting them all, they will still get the bad updates. For those that actually perform the administrator duties that they have self-assigned to their PC, they review the updates and will block those known to cause problems or are even non-applicable. In Windows 10, you don't get a choice (for non-Enterprise editions) of getting their updates. In July of 2015, responding to the significant user backlash, Microsoft added features A feature, not features. to its Windows Update facility which allow it to be configured, on a machine-by-machine basis, to not forcibly upgrade qualifying Windows 7 and 8.1 operating systems to Windows 10. However, Microsoft did not make this configuration simple. It requires the use of the group policy editor (which is not present in some qualifying systems) and/or the system registry. In other words, they created some deep internal configuration options EVERYTHING is "deep" within the registry. Nothing special about this particular policy setting. The above makes it appear that anything regarding the registry is "deep" and requires use of magic. Ever use Firefox or Google's Chrome? Yep, you have to delve into about:config to get to their "hidden" settings. Nothing magic there, either. To debunk the "magic" mystery involving this registry setting, read: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351 To effect the same policy in Win7/8 without using a policy editor, especially for users of the Home edition that don't have one, just use regedit.exe and edit the following: Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUp date DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1 That's what Never10 does but you don't need a magic program to edit the registry. GWX Control Panel also makes this registry edit (via its "Are Windows 10 upgrades allowed" = No option) and more. but chose not to provide a simple user-interface to give their users the choice. You want Microsoft to add a program within Windows 7/8 to alter some Control Panel applet to add a policy (registry) setting to NOT migrate to a different OS? They already nearly do the same. It's their GWX adware program. Providing a .reg file to double-click would be an even simpler user interface. See next. Never10 provides that choice. All it does it is set a registry setting for those that don't have a group/local policy editor, like for the Home edition. He could've just provided a .reg file to do the same thing rather than have user run a program to do it. Users could look at a .reg file to see what it does. They can't look in his program to see what it does. Gibson's Never10 tool does only 1 function of what the GWX Control Panel utility does. The latter can monitor if you get the adware (because you're too lazy to review every offered update) rather than the former just neutering it after it arrives. Gibson's tool only does one thing: edit one setting in the registry. Rather odd that he distributes a program to do this instead of a simple ..reg file that you double click on. It does check if the version of the AU service you have will honor this setting; however, registry settings can exist whether or not they are used. If you haven't updated the AU service then this registry setting is worthless; however, GWX Control Panel has other features to prevent Win7/8 turning into adware (although I would suggest updating the AU service to afford yourself of Microsoft's policy setting in the registry as another brick in the anti-Win10 barricade). https://www.grc.com/never10.htm GWX Control Panel http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ An advantage of Never10 over GWX: No installation. After all, Never10 is merely editing a registry setting, just as would a .reg file. A disadvantage of Never10: *YOU* have to manually run it periodically to do its other checks. Never10 relies on Microsoft's policy being honored by Microsoft's AU service to prevent downloading Microsoft's GWX adware. Who was it that caused all the Win10 lureware problems on Win7/8? Oh yeah, that was Microsoft. Gibson wants you to still trust Microsoft. |
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On 11/05/2016 20:46, VanguardLH wrote:
David B. wrote: Many users of Windows 7 and 8.1 are happy with their current version of Windows, and have no wish to upgrade to Windows 10. There are many reasons for this, but among them is the fact that Windows 10 has become controversial due to Microsoft's evolution of their Windows operating system platform into a service which, among other things, aggressively monitors and reports on its users activities. This alone makes many users uncomfortable enough to cause them to choose to wait. The amount of spying in Windows 10 is only incrementally more than what was employed within Windows 7/8 (and equally disabable via manual intervention). In fact, rather than separately discover each tweak to modify spying, er, telemetry features in Win10, there are tools that will assist with that task (rather than dig around inside Win10 to find them), like: O&O ShutUp10 https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 (portable app) Spybot Anti-Beacon https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/ (portable edition available) Destroy Windows 10 Spying http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/deta...10_spying.html (portable app) DoNotSpy10 http://pxc-coding.com/portfolio/donotspy10/ (Requires .NET Framework 4.5 or higher) (If you are afraid of and are ignorant of how OpenCandy works to offer bundleware and fear you cannot say No, don't use this one.) (Donationware aka PAYWARE version not ad-supported.) I have not researched or used these to know which ones overlap the others by how much or which ones encompass more privacy settings. There were more privacy tools but some dumped or discontinued working on theirs when O&O ShutUp10 showed up. I would stick with those that have a portable edition. The lack of user control over updates (to not install some rather than merely delay them) should be of more concern. Microsoft has a history of destructive updates. Of course, for those users that let Microsoft change the state of their PCs by using automatic updates or blindly accepting them all, they will still get the bad updates. For those that actually perform the administrator duties that they have self-assigned to their PC, they review the updates and will block those known to cause problems or are even non-applicable. In Windows 10, you don't get a choice (for non-Enterprise editions) of getting their updates. In July of 2015, responding to the significant user backlash, Microsoft added features A feature, not features. to its Windows Update facility which allow it to be configured, on a machine-by-machine basis, to not forcibly upgrade qualifying Windows 7 and 8.1 operating systems to Windows 10. However, Microsoft did not make this configuration simple. It requires the use of the group policy editor (which is not present in some qualifying systems) and/or the system registry. In other words, they created some deep internal configuration options EVERYTHING is "deep" within the registry. Nothing special about this particular policy setting. The above makes it appear that anything regarding the registry is "deep" and requires use of magic. Ever use Firefox or Google's Chrome? Yep, you have to delve into about:config to get to their "hidden" settings. Nothing magic there, either. To debunk the "magic" mystery involving this registry setting, read: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351 To effect the same policy in Win7/8 without using a policy editor, especially for users of the Home edition that don't have one, just use regedit.exe and edit the following: Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUp date DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1 That's what Never10 does but you don't need a magic program to edit the registry. GWX Control Panel also makes this registry edit (via its "Are Windows 10 upgrades allowed" = No option) and more. but chose not to provide a simple user-interface to give their users the choice. You want Microsoft to add a program within Windows 7/8 to alter some Control Panel applet to add a policy (registry) setting to NOT migrate to a different OS? They already nearly do the same. It's their GWX adware program. Providing a .reg file to double-click would be an even simpler user interface. See next. Never10 provides that choice. All it does it is set a registry setting for those that don't have a group/local policy editor, like for the Home edition. He could've just provided a .reg file to do the same thing rather than have user run a program to do it. Users could look at a .reg file to see what it does. They can't look in his program to see what it does. Gibson's Never10 tool does only 1 function of what the GWX Control Panel utility does. The latter can monitor if you get the adware (because you're too lazy to review every offered update) rather than the former just neutering it after it arrives. Gibson's tool only does one thing: edit one setting in the registry. Rather odd that he distributes a program to do this instead of a simple .reg file that you double click on. It does check if the version of the AU service you have will honor this setting; however, registry settings can exist whether or not they are used. If you haven't updated the AU service then this registry setting is worthless; however, GWX Control Panel has other features to prevent Win7/8 turning into adware (although I would suggest updating the AU service to afford yourself of Microsoft's policy setting in the registry as another brick in the anti-Win10 barricade). https://www.grc.com/never10.htm GWX Control Panel http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ An advantage of Never10 over GWX: No installation. After all, Never10 is merely editing a registry setting, just as would a .reg file. A disadvantage of Never10: *YOU* have to manually run it periodically to do its other checks. Never10 relies on Microsoft's policy being honored by Microsoft's AU service to prevent downloading Microsoft's GWX adware. Who was it that caused all the Win10 lureware problems on Win7/8? Oh yeah, that was Microsoft. Gibson wants you to still trust Microsoft. Thank you for all your thoughts on this, VanguardLH. *I trust Gibson*. I know nothing about the author of GWX https://www.blogger.com/profile/09004247608053632633 Folk who don't disclose who they *really* are will never get MY blessing! |
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On 11/05/2016 21:27, burfordTjustice *LIED* - *AGAIN*!!!
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