Surprised!

Top-Poaster Peter Foldes wrote:

You are a hooplehead at it's best

And you are a hit-and-run top-poaster.

I will summarize my last post (which you did not quote), and you will
most likely not respond to the points I'm making, or state exactly how
any of my statements are incorrect:

------------

- In what newsgroup(s) have they (various NNTP operators) posted that
they will continue to carry the microsoft.public hierarchy?

- Many of them (nntp operators) have been following that "self-appointed
netcop" for years (Julien Elie). Like it or not, he is the recognized
authority for that hierarchy, and he intends to administrate those
groups out of existance.

- AIOE follows the ISC.org list of newsgroups, and ISC.org accepts
Julien's control messages. AIOE has already removed some microsoft
newsgroups, and by all indications will remove all of them, as per
Julien's actions.

- Otherwise, Microsoft turning off it's usenet server would not or
should not automatically mean that the microsoft.public groups will
disappear from usenet.

- Many people believe (incorrectly) that Microsoft's servers play some
important, critical technical role in the existance and message
transport of these groups, and the shut-down of their server will
automatically mean the loss of these groups to the rest of usenet.

- Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers do
not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation of
these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-wide
usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are Microsoft's legal
property.

Ignorant twit: Were you born a HoopleHead or did you work your way down?

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
: Top-Poaster Peter Foldes wrote:
:
: You are a hooplehead at it's best

:
: I will summarize my last post (which you did not quote), and you will
: most likely not respond to the points I'm making, or state exactly how
: any of my statements are incorrect:
:
: ------------
:
: - In what newsgroup(s) have they (various NNTP operators) posted that
: they will continue to carry the microsoft.public hierarchy?
:
: - Many of them (nntp operators) have been following that "self-appointed
: netcop" for years (Julien Elie). Like it or not, he is the recognized
: authority for that hierarchy, and he intends to administrate those
: groups out of existance.
:
: - AIOE follows the ISC.org list of newsgroups, and ISC.org accepts
: Julien's control messages. AIOE has already removed some microsoft
: newsgroups, and by all indications will remove all of them, as per
: Julien's actions.
:
: - Otherwise, Microsoft turning off it's usenet server would not or
: should not automatically mean that the microsoft.public groups will
: disappear from usenet.
:
: - Many people believe (incorrectly) that Microsoft's servers play some
: important, critical technical role in the existance and message
: transport of these groups, and the shut-down of their server will
: automatically mean the loss of these groups to the rest of usenet.
:
: - Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers do
: not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation of
: these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-wide
: usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are Microsoft's legal
: property.

Ignorant twit: Were you born a HoopleHead or did you work your way down?

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
: Top-Poaster Peter Foldes wrote:
:
: You are a hooplehead at it's best

:
: I will summarize my last post (which you did not quote), and you will
: most likely not respond to the points I'm making, or state exactly how
: any of my statements are incorrect:
:
: ------------
:
: - In what newsgroup(s) have they (various NNTP operators) posted that
: they will continue to carry the microsoft.public hierarchy?
:
: - Many of them (nntp operators) have been following that "self-appointed
: netcop" for years (Julien Elie). Like it or not, he is the recognized
: authority for that hierarchy, and he intends to administrate those
: groups out of existance.
:
: - AIOE follows the ISC.org list of newsgroups, and ISC.org accepts
: Julien's control messages. AIOE has already removed some microsoft
: newsgroups, and by all indications will remove all of them, as per
: Julien's actions.
:
: - Otherwise, Microsoft turning off it's usenet server would not or
: should not automatically mean that the microsoft.public groups will
: disappear from usenet.
:
: - Many people believe (incorrectly) that Microsoft's servers play some
: important, critical technical role in the existance and message
: transport of these groups, and the shut-down of their server will
: automatically mean the loss of these groups to the rest of usenet.
:
: - Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers do
: not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation of
: these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-wide
: usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are Microsoft's legal
: property.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...

Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers do
not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation of
these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-wide
usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are Microsoft's legal
property.

I feel better knowing a copyright and trademark attorney is posting here!

Especially one that's lost in the last Millennium.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...

Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers do
not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation of
these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-wide
usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are Microsoft's legal
property.

I feel better knowing a copyright and trademark attorney is posting here!

Especially one that's lost in the last Millennium.

Numbnuts Schmeckler spewed:

Ignorant twit: Were you born a HoopleHead or did you work your
way down?

So when exactly did you become infatuated with the word "hooplehead" ?

Was it when you lost the ability to have an intelligent conversation?

-----------

- In what newsgroup(s) have they (various NNTP operators) posted
that they will continue to carry the microsoft.public hierarchy?

- Many of them (nntp operators) have been following that "self-
appointed netcop" for years (Julien Elie). Like it or not, he
is the recognized authority for that hierarchy, and he intends
to administrate those groups out of existance.

- AIOE follows the ISC.org list of newsgroups, and ISC.org accepts
Julien's control messages. AIOE has already removed some microsoft
newsgroups, and by all indications will remove all of them, as per
Julien's actions.

- Otherwise, Microsoft turning off it's usenet server would not or
should not automatically mean that the microsoft.public groups
will disappear from usenet.

- Many people believe (incorrectly) that Microsoft's servers play
some important, critical technical role in the existance and
message transport of these groups, and the shut-down of their
server will automatically mean the loss of these groups to the
rest of usenet.

- Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's
servers do not play a critical or necessary technical role for
the operation of these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can
*force* the world-wide usenet to discontinue their use because
the groups are Microsoft's legal property.

Numbnuts Schmeckler spewed:

Ignorant twit: Were you born a HoopleHead or did you work your
way down?

So when exactly did you become infatuated with the word "hooplehead" ?

Was it when you lost the ability to have an intelligent conversation?

-----------

- In what newsgroup(s) have they (various NNTP operators) posted
that they will continue to carry the microsoft.public hierarchy?

- Many of them (nntp operators) have been following that "self-
appointed netcop" for years (Julien Elie). Like it or not, he
is the recognized authority for that hierarchy, and he intends
to administrate those groups out of existance.

- AIOE follows the ISC.org list of newsgroups, and ISC.org accepts
Julien's control messages. AIOE has already removed some microsoft
newsgroups, and by all indications will remove all of them, as per
Julien's actions.

- Otherwise, Microsoft turning off it's usenet server would not or
should not automatically mean that the microsoft.public groups
will disappear from usenet.

- Many people believe (incorrectly) that Microsoft's servers play
some important, critical technical role in the existance and
message transport of these groups, and the shut-down of their
server will automatically mean the loss of these groups to the
rest of usenet.

- Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's
servers do not play a critical or necessary technical role for
the operation of these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can
*force* the world-wide usenet to discontinue their use because
the groups are Microsoft's legal property.

T Shadow wrote:

Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers
do not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation
of these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-
wide usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are
Microsoft's legal property.

I will now give you an example of one such person:

I feel better knowing a copyright and trademark attorney is
posting here!

The useage of "microsoft" in a usegroup name is free speech.

Just as if I wrote a book titled "Microsoft: History of a criminal
organization".

Just as countless other books, magazines, periodicals, websites, etc.

Speaking of a criminal organization, how many of you are aware that
Microsoft's last auto-update package delivered a firefox add-on that
tampers with your browser's search functionality - while calling it a
"critical" security update?

T Shadow wrote:

Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers
do not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation
of these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-
wide usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are
Microsoft's legal property.

I will now give you an example of one such person:

I feel better knowing a copyright and trademark attorney is
posting here!

The useage of "microsoft" in a usegroup name is free speech.

Just as if I wrote a book titled "Microsoft: History of a criminal
organization".

Just as countless other books, magazines, periodicals, websites, etc.

Speaking of a criminal organization, how many of you are aware that
Microsoft's last auto-update package delivered a firefox add-on that
tampers with your browser's search functionality - while calling it a
"critical" security update?

VanguardLH you right!

But who is go to be the ROOT NNTP server to Upstream the Microsoft groups
messages?
Will it be a pay or Free ROOT SERVER?

For Microsoft was the root server and for Microsoft groups

You have to have a root server to Share, Upstream, Download and filter Post
messages on the Usenet!

So who is the Usenet server that will do the Job?



"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Sunny wrote:

What part of "Microsoft is withdrawing from Usenet news groups" don't
you understand ? If you need Microsoft "discussions" in future you
will be forced to use their Web based "forums" One more time "-

Microsoft is withdrawing their NNTP server from Usenet.

Yes, just *Microsoft* is dropping their own NNTP server. Microsoft is
not Usenet. Usenet won't disappear because Microsoft decided to end
their Usenet usurping experiment back in 2006. Giganews, Albasani,
Eternal-September, Earthlink, and other NSPs have already stated that
they will continue carrying the microsoft.public.* newsgroups (i.e.,
they will ignore any rogue 'rmgroup' control message issued by a
self-appointed netcop).

The microsoft.public.* newsgroups are NOT going away from Usenet. It
is *Microsoft* that is scrambling away from Usenet. No one is getting
forced to use Microsoft's inane web-based forums to continue
participating in these newsgroups.

You can, if you feel so inclined to self-torture, use Microsoft's (well,
Microsoft didn't write it but they proffer it as their software) NNTP
Bridge to access the web-based forums (well, only some of them as not
all have been brought under the same umbrella for access control).
Rather than operate a forum-to-NNTP gateway server on their end (which
is what all the Usenet-leeching web sites do), Microsoft wants you to
run a local NNTP-to-forums proxy on your host. It has lots of problems
and deficiencies. That it is workable doesn't mean it is preferred.

If you want to continue participating in the microsoft.public.*
newsgroups then do so by using any other NNTP server. There are free
and paid NSPs you can use to access these newsgroups. You do NOT need
to use Microsoft's NNTP server. The groups are not going away because
Microsoft is.

VanguardLH you right!

But who is go to be the ROOT NNTP server to Upstream the Microsoft groups
messages?
Will it be a pay or Free ROOT SERVER?

For Microsoft was the root server and for Microsoft groups

You have to have a root server to Share, Upstream, Download and filter Post
messages on the Usenet!

So who is the Usenet server that will do the Job?



"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Sunny wrote:

What part of "Microsoft is withdrawing from Usenet news groups" don't
you understand ? If you need Microsoft "discussions" in future you
will be forced to use their Web based "forums" One more time "-

Microsoft is withdrawing their NNTP server from Usenet.

Yes, just *Microsoft* is dropping their own NNTP server. Microsoft is
not Usenet. Usenet won't disappear because Microsoft decided to end
their Usenet usurping experiment back in 2006. Giganews, Albasani,
Eternal-September, Earthlink, and other NSPs have already stated that
they will continue carrying the microsoft.public.* newsgroups (i.e.,
they will ignore any rogue 'rmgroup' control message issued by a
self-appointed netcop).

The microsoft.public.* newsgroups are NOT going away from Usenet. It
is *Microsoft* that is scrambling away from Usenet. No one is getting
forced to use Microsoft's inane web-based forums to continue
participating in these newsgroups.

You can, if you feel so inclined to self-torture, use Microsoft's (well,
Microsoft didn't write it but they proffer it as their software) NNTP
Bridge to access the web-based forums (well, only some of them as not
all have been brought under the same umbrella for access control).
Rather than operate a forum-to-NNTP gateway server on their end (which
is what all the Usenet-leeching web sites do), Microsoft wants you to
run a local NNTP-to-forums proxy on your host. It has lots of problems
and deficiencies. That it is workable doesn't mean it is preferred.

If you want to continue participating in the microsoft.public.*
newsgroups then do so by using any other NNTP server. There are free
and paid NSPs you can use to access these newsgroups. You do NOT need
to use Microsoft's NNTP server. The groups are not going away because
Microsoft is.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
snip
Speaking of a criminal organization, how many of you are aware that
Microsoft's last auto-update package delivered a firefox add-on that
tampers with your browser's search functionality - while calling it a
"critical" security update?

The Firefox extension and IE add-on from the "Search Enhancement" update
were only installed on systems that had the Live, MSN, or Bing browser
toolbar installed, since it is part of an update that involves those
toolbars.

It was not installed as a "critical" update, it was listed as an
"important" update.

Exactly how does it "tamper" with your search functionality? It updates
browser integration for the toolbar, and is only installed if the
toolbar is already installed.

As usual, you report half-truths, and are only interested in attacking
Microsoft....why don't you say a word about the Java Quick Starter
extension that Sun has been silently installing in Firefox for years,
and which actually can lead to security issues? It's from Sun, not
Microsoft, so you aren't interested in it....it doesn't fit your attack
plan.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
snip
Speaking of a criminal organization, how many of you are aware that
Microsoft's last auto-update package delivered a firefox add-on that
tampers with your browser's search functionality - while calling it a
"critical" security update?

The Firefox extension and IE add-on from the "Search Enhancement" update
were only installed on systems that had the Live, MSN, or Bing browser
toolbar installed, since it is part of an update that involves those
toolbars.

It was not installed as a "critical" update, it was listed as an
"important" update.

Exactly how does it "tamper" with your search functionality? It updates
browser integration for the toolbar, and is only installed if the
toolbar is already installed.

As usual, you report half-truths, and are only interested in attacking
Microsoft....why don't you say a word about the Java Quick Starter
extension that Sun has been silently installing in Firefox for years,
and which actually can lead to security issues? It's from Sun, not
Microsoft, so you aren't interested in it....it doesn't fit your attack
plan.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
T Shadow wrote:

Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers
do not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation
of these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-
wide usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are
Microsoft's legal property.

I will now give you an example of one such person:

I feel better knowing a copyright and trademark attorney is
posting here!

The useage of "microsoft" in a usegroup name is free speech.


Where is you law degree from?

Box of Frosted Flakes doesn't count.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
T Shadow wrote:

Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers
do not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation
of these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-
wide usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are
Microsoft's legal property.

I will now give you an example of one such person:

I feel better knowing a copyright and trademark attorney is
posting here!

The useage of "microsoft" in a usegroup name is free speech.


Where is you law degree from?

Box of Frosted Flakes doesn't count.