Power User within Win 7

Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for
compatibility with older operating systems."

The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but
necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the
X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the
utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces
several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I
would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program
seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction.

Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group
would be most appreciated.
--
Jeff Barnett

As I understand it, Administrator in Win7 is basically
what Power User used to be. There is no such thing
as a real Administrator anymore, except the optional
Administrator account. That's why PU is "for compatibility".
I would think that if you log in as an Administrator with
UAC fully enabled you should get what you want: The
software can run while you'll be restricted.


"Jeff Barnett" wrote in message
...
| Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
| description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for
| compatibility with older operating systems."
|
| The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but
| necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the
| X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the
| utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
| starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces
| several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I
| would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program
| seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email
interaction.
|
| Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group
| would be most appreciated.
| --
| Jeff Barnett
|

Jeff Barnett wrote:
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for
compatibility with older operating systems."

The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but
necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the
X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the
utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces
several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I
would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program
seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email
interaction.

Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group
would be most appreciated.

Have you tested SpeedFan ?

http://www.almico.com/speedfan449.exe

Paul

On 8/16/2014 12:18 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for
compatibility with older operating systems."

The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but
necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the
X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the
utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces
several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I
would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program
seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email
interaction.

Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group
would be most appreciated.

You mean to have it run with Administrator privileges? Sure you can do
that and still logon as a standard user. You have to be an Administrator
to set it that way though. Just right click on the program in Explorer
and you should find the toggle for it.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

Paul wrote, On 8/16/2014 12:09 PM:
Jeff Barnett wrote:
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly
for compatibility with older operating systems."

The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but
necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with
the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the
utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces
several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I
would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program
seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email
interaction.

Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group
would be most appreciated.

Have you tested SpeedFan ?

http://www.almico.com/speedfan449.exe

Hi Paul! I know about speed fan, I think. The Asus product controls
fans, energy settings, power distribution, and CPU stuff in cooperation
with the motherboard and the OS. You lose a bunch by not using it but
there is more exposure to crapware - a word I'm tempted to use for Asus
software.
--
Jeff Barnett

BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 1:19 PM:
On 8/16/2014 12:18 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for
compatibility with older operating systems."

The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but
necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the
X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the
utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces
several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I
would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program
seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email
interaction.

Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group
would be most appreciated.

You mean to have it run with Administrator privileges? Sure you can do
that and still logon as a standard user. You have to be an Administrator
to set it that way though. Just right click on the program in Explorer
and you should find the toggle for it.

It's started through the Windows scheduler on a per user basis and it
was done badly. The problem isn't my starting it - I can do that via the
notification area after I've logged in. The problem is that the
scheduled starts are not properly privileged for an ordinary user; would
have been better if Asus ran the stuff under the system account using
parameters provided through interactions with an administrator. That's
harder to program so they took the easy way out.
--
Jeff Barnett

On 8/16/2014 3:49 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
Paul wrote, On 8/16/2014 12:09 PM:
Jeff Barnett wrote:
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly
for compatibility with older operating systems."

The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but
necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with
the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the
utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces
several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I
would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program
seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email
interaction.

Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group
would be most appreciated.

Have you tested SpeedFan ?

http://www.almico.com/speedfan449.exe

Hi Paul! I know about speed fan, I think. The Asus product controls
fans, energy settings, power distribution, and CPU stuff in cooperation
with the motherboard and the OS. You lose a bunch by not using it but
there is more exposure to crapware - a word I'm tempted to use for Asus
software.

I am with you Jeff. I don't think Paul knows anything about Asus'
utility. And I think SpeedFan is overrated and not really that good anyway.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

Mayayana wrote, On 8/16/2014 11:59 AM:
As I understand it, Administrator in Win7 is basically
what Power User used to be. There is no such thing
as a real Administrator anymore, except the optional
Administrator account. That's why PU is "for compatibility".
I would think that if you log in as an Administrator with
UAC fully enabled you should get what you want: The
software can run while you'll be restricted.


"Jeff Barnett" wrote in message
...
| Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
| description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for
| compatibility with older operating systems."
|
| The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but
| necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the
| X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the
| utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
| starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces
| several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I
| would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program
| seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email
interaction.
|
| Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group
| would be most appreciated.
| --
| Jeff Barnett
|

It's an idea that I would grow to thoroughly despise. Think of all the
useless questions I'd be asked. The problem in my mind is basic bad
choices by the Asus software team. A major aspect and goal of the ACPI
spec was that, with the proper drivers and device descriptions, the OS
could manage power, speed, etc. Asus has taken the attitude that those
using their products want to spend their life tuning. In actual fact
what we went is to USE powerful computers that have management software
that knows how to manage resources. Period.
--
Jeff Barnett

On 8/16/2014 3:54 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 1:19 PM:
On 8/16/2014 12:18 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for
compatibility with older operating systems."

The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but
necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the
X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the
utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces
several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I
would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program
seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email
interaction.

Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group
would be most appreciated.

You mean to have it run with Administrator privileges? Sure you can do
that and still logon as a standard user. You have to be an Administrator
to set it that way though. Just right click on the program in Explorer
and you should find the toggle for it.

It's started through the Windows scheduler on a per user basis and it
was done badly. The problem isn't my starting it - I can do that via the
notification area after I've logged in. The problem is that the
scheduled starts are not properly privileged for an ordinary user; would
have been better if Asus ran the stuff under the system account using
parameters provided through interactions with an administrator. That's
harder to program so they took the easy way out.

I too have ran into this. Not under Windows 7 yet, but under Windows 8
big time. Things that should be running but they are not until I logon
as Administrator and then run them manually (BattStat, Dimension4, and
CoreTemp for example). Someday hopefully I'll figure it out.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

BillW50 wrote:
On 8/16/2014 3:49 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
Paul wrote, On 8/16/2014 12:09 PM:
Jeff Barnett wrote:
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly
for compatibility with older operating systems."

The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but
necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with
the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the
utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces
several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I
would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program
seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email
interaction.

Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group
would be most appreciated.

Have you tested SpeedFan ?

http://www.almico.com/speedfan449.exe

Hi Paul! I know about speed fan, I think. The Asus product controls
fans, energy settings, power distribution, and CPU stuff in cooperation
with the motherboard and the OS. You lose a bunch by not using it but
there is more exposure to crapware - a word I'm tempted to use for Asus
software.

I am with you Jeff. I don't think Paul knows anything about Asus'
utility. And I think SpeedFan is overrated and not really that good anyway.


Before shooting off my mouth, I'd run DPCLAT and compare
what Asus Suite is doing to the setup.

Paul

On 8/16/2014 4:26 PM, Paul wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
On 8/16/2014 3:49 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
Paul wrote, On 8/16/2014 12:09 PM:
Jeff Barnett wrote:
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly
for compatibility with older operating systems."

The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but
necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with
the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the
utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces
several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I
would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program
seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email
interaction.

Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group
would be most appreciated.

Have you tested SpeedFan ?

http://www.almico.com/speedfan449.exe

Hi Paul! I know about speed fan, I think. The Asus product controls
fans, energy settings, power distribution, and CPU stuff in cooperation
with the motherboard and the OS. You lose a bunch by not using it but
there is more exposure to crapware - a word I'm tempted to use for Asus
software.

I am with you Jeff. I don't think Paul knows anything about Asus'
utility. And I think SpeedFan is overrated and not really that good
anyway.

Before shooting off my mouth, I'd run DPCLAT and compare
what Asus Suite is doing to the setup.

Really? And you have Asus hardware to test it?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 5:08 PM:
On 8/16/2014 4:26 PM, Paul wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
On 8/16/2014 3:49 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
Paul wrote, On 8/16/2014 12:09 PM:
Jeff Barnett wrote:
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly
for compatibility with older operating systems."

The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but
necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with
the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3,
the
utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces
several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator)
user. I
would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this
program
seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email
interaction.

Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User
group
would be most appreciated.

Have you tested SpeedFan ?

http://www.almico.com/speedfan449.exe

Hi Paul! I know about speed fan, I think. The Asus product controls
fans, energy settings, power distribution, and CPU stuff in cooperation
with the motherboard and the OS. You lose a bunch by not using it but
there is more exposure to crapware - a word I'm tempted to use for Asus
software.

I am with you Jeff. I don't think Paul knows anything about Asus'
utility. And I think SpeedFan is overrated and not really that good
anyway.

Before shooting off my mouth, I'd run DPCLAT and compare
what Asus Suite is doing to the setup.

Really? And you have Asus hardware to test it?

Bill, take it easy - I believe Paul was trying to be helpful. He's
provided me with much good information in the past.

I would consider him fortunate in some ways if he doesn't have Asus
around. Their hardware has the potential to be very good but their
support and software teams leave a lot to be desired.
--
Jeff Barnett

On 8/16/2014 6:22 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 5:08 PM:
On 8/16/2014 4:26 PM, Paul wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
On 8/16/2014 3:49 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
Paul wrote, On 8/16/2014 12:09 PM:
Jeff Barnett wrote:
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power
User. The description given by the OS says something to
the effect of "mostly for compatibility with older
operating systems."

The motivation for this question is some dreadfully
written but necessary software that comes with Asus
motherboards (at least with the X79 Deluxe boards that
I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the utility that
profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and
produces several errors at login time for a regular (non
administrator) user. I would like to do my day-to-day
work as a regular user but this program seems to be
ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email
interaction.

Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7
Power User group would be most appreciated.

Have you tested SpeedFan ?

http://www.almico.com/speedfan449.exe

Hi Paul! I know about speed fan, I think. The Asus product
controls fans, energy settings, power distribution, and CPU
stuff in cooperation with the motherboard and the OS. You
lose a bunch by not using it but there is more exposure to
crapware - a word I'm tempted to use for Asus software.

I am with you Jeff. I don't think Paul knows anything about Asus'
utility. And I think SpeedFan is overrated and not really that good
anyway.

Before shooting off my mouth, I'd run DPCLAT and compare
what Asus Suite is doing to the setup.

Really? And you have Asus hardware to test it?

Bill, take it easy - I believe Paul was trying to be helpful. He's
provided me with much good information in the past.

I would consider him fortunate in some ways if he doesn't have Asus
around. Their hardware has the potential to be very good but their
support and software teams leave a lot to be desired.

Oh no problem whatsoever. I have a huge respect for Paul. In fact I am
so surprised that any human being could know so much (maybe Paul isn't
really human -- maybe he is really a super computer bot or something).
Although very rarely, I need to question something (yes, very rarely).
This is one of those rare moments. ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 3:05 PM:
On 8/16/2014 3:54 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 1:19 PM:
On 8/16/2014 12:18 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for
compatibility with older operating systems."

The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but
necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the
X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the
utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces
several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I
would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program
seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email
interaction.

Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group
would be most appreciated.

You mean to have it run with Administrator privileges? Sure you can do
that and still logon as a standard user. You have to be an Administrator
to set it that way though. Just right click on the program in Explorer
and you should find the toggle for it.

It's started through the Windows scheduler on a per user basis and it
was done badly. The problem isn't my starting it - I can do that via the
notification area after I've logged in. The problem is that the
scheduled starts are not properly privileged for an ordinary user; would
have been better if Asus ran the stuff under the system account using
parameters provided through interactions with an administrator. That's
harder to program so they took the easy way out.

I too have ran into this. Not under Windows 7 yet, but under Windows 8
big time. Things that should be running but they are not until I logon
as Administrator and then run them manually (BattStat, Dimension4, and
CoreTemp for example). Someday hopefully I'll figure it out.

Something else weird is happening with the Asus crapwa it's changing
power profiles (the kind you adjust from the control panel). It thinks
that it is in its bailiwick to decide how long the monitor stays on and
how long before sleep! I am trying to redefine such things as the "high
performance" profile (from Windows or from Asus) to match my preferences
so my computer will go to sleep by my druthers rather than theirs. The
more I subtract Asus software and support from hardware, the more I'm
heading for a negative result. I haven't written my reviews yet. I'm
delaying until I better understand what is actually happening under the
hood. I'm also delaying Windows activation until that point in case I
change enough to mess up OEM licenses.
--
Jeff Barnett

"Jeff Barnett" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 3:05 PM:
On 8/16/2014 3:54 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 1:19 PM:
On 8/16/2014 12:18 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly
for
compatibility with older operating systems."

The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but
necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with
the
X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the
utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It
starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces
several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I
would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program
seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email
interaction.

Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group
would be most appreciated.

You mean to have it run with Administrator privileges? Sure you can do
that and still logon as a standard user. You have to be an
Administrator
to set it that way though. Just right click on the program in Explorer
and you should find the toggle for it.

It's started through the Windows scheduler on a per user basis and it
was done badly. The problem isn't my starting it - I can do that via the
notification area after I've logged in. The problem is that the
scheduled starts are not properly privileged for an ordinary user; would
have been better if Asus ran the stuff under the system account using
parameters provided through interactions with an administrator. That's
harder to program so they took the easy way out.

I too have ran into this. Not under Windows 7 yet, but under Windows 8
big time. Things that should be running but they are not until I logon
as Administrator and then run them manually (BattStat, Dimension4, and
CoreTemp for example). Someday hopefully I'll figure it out.

Something else weird is happening with the Asus crapwa it's changing
power profiles (the kind you adjust from the control panel). It thinks
that it is in its bailiwick to decide how long the monitor stays on and
how long before sleep! I am trying to redefine such things as the "high
performance" profile (from Windows or from Asus) to match my preferences
so my computer will go to sleep by my druthers rather than theirs. The
more I subtract Asus software and support from hardware, the more I'm
heading for a negative result. I haven't written my reviews yet. I'm
delaying until I better understand what is actually happening under the
hood. I'm also delaying Windows activation until that point in case I
change enough to mess up OEM licenses.
--
Jeff Barnett

Jeff,
I currently have two ASUS motherboards that came with AI Suite, and haven't
used the program since day 1, when I just wanted to see what it did. The
average user doesn't need the control and information that this program
provides. Since you're using it, I guess you have a need for it, but unless
your machine is overclocked, there really isn't much reason to have it
installed.

That all being said, here is a link to a forum thread at Tom's Hardware,
which might be of help:
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/...tup-start.html