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Is It Practical To Avoid Windows 10 On A New Laptop Purchase?
Char Jackson wrote on 08/10/2015 5:38 PM:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:57:08 -0400, ". . .winston" wrote: (PeteCresswell) wrote on 08/10/2015 2:16 PM: Somebody is asking me to help them select a Windows laptop. It's really the blind leading the blind, but I cannot convince them of that. My gut says to avoid 10 if at all possible (forced updates, for instance)... and go with the familiar 8.1 with Start8 or, if possible, 7. What think Those Who Know? Ask them if they'd like a MSFT operating system that stop receiving security updates in 4.33 years. If they say no...then your choices are Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. As pollsters know, you can usually get the answer you want if you ask the question in the right way. Above, if the intent is to encourage someone to choose 8 or 10, that's a good question to ask. OTOH, given what we know about 8 and 10, they are both immediately disqualified for consideration, making the choice an easy one. It's a valid question that could impact the purchaser's economics in 4.33 years beyond the need to purchase an operating system receiving security updates on the same device. I'd be willing to take that bet....that purchasing a new device with an expectation of the o/s being supported for security patches more than 4.33 years, your advice would be ignored by the majority (in fact, it probably already is starting to lean in that direction more than it was 13 days ago). -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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Is It Practical To Avoid Windows 10 On A New Laptop Purchase?
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 23:59:58 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote: Char Jackson wrote on 08/10/2015 5:38 PM: On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:57:08 -0400, ". . .winston" wrote: (PeteCresswell) wrote on 08/10/2015 2:16 PM: Somebody is asking me to help them select a Windows laptop. It's really the blind leading the blind, but I cannot convince them of that. My gut says to avoid 10 if at all possible (forced updates, for instance)... and go with the familiar 8.1 with Start8 or, if possible, 7. What think Those Who Know? Ask them if they'd like a MSFT operating system that stop receiving security updates in 4.33 years. If they say no...then your choices are Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. As pollsters know, you can usually get the answer you want if you ask the question in the right way. Above, if the intent is to encourage someone to choose 8 or 10, that's a good question to ask. OTOH, given what we know about 8 and 10, they are both immediately disqualified for consideration, making the choice an easy one. It's a valid question that could impact the purchaser's economics in 4.33 years beyond the need to purchase an operating system receiving security updates on the same device. My experience may not be typical, but the folks I run into seem to universally share a few traits: 1. They don't make computer purchasing decisions based on what might happen that far into the future. Current pain is a much bigger motivator than possible future pain. 2. Many of them don't expect to be using the same computer that far into the future. If they are, they'll deal with the possibilities then, whatever they might be. 3. Most are senior citizens, and they've learned to take life as it comes. Long term planning is for a younger generation. The first two apply to me, as well. IMHO, basing a purchasing decision today based on what might happen 4-5 years in the future is beyond foolish, but to each his or her own. I'd be willing to take that bet....that purchasing a new device with an expectation of the o/s being supported for security patches more than 4.33 years, your advice would be ignored by the majority (in fact, it probably already is starting to lean in that direction more than it was 13 days ago). Of the people in real life who actually seek my advice, so far no one has gone ahead with the Win 10 upgrade. Plenty have asked about it, but after discussing the pros and cons, all have so far declined. They ask my opinion and I provide it, but the choice is of course theirs. Regarding the general computing public, I'd guess that nearly all who have upgraded have done so not because of any perceived improvement in their lives, but because the new version is, well, new, and everyone knows that new is better, and free is better still. Except when it isn't, of course, but uninformed users won't know that. Barnum and Bailey would be proud of what Microsoft has achieved here. |
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Is It Practical To Avoid Windows 10 On A New Laptop Purchase?
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 23:59:58 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote in It's a valid question that could impact the purchaser's economics in 4.33 years beyond the need to purchase an operating system receiving security updates on the same device. WinBlows has never been secure and never will be. That's just the rationalization they use to keep you on the thread mill. -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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Is It Practical To Avoid Windows 10 On A New Laptop Purchase?
In message 20150810140907.0fee4931@jmspc, Johnny
writes My wife has a Dell laptop with Windows 8.1 and it's slow compared to Windows 7 and Windows 10. I just checked Newegg.com, and you can still get New laptops with Windows 7. I would be very careful if purchasing a "Windows 7" laptop from a major store. I've just been through a gruelling few weeks with someone who bought a "Windows 7" Lenovo B-series laptop from PCWorld Business in the UK. Just out of the 1 year warranty, it failed to boot. It had, as far as I could tell, a Windows 8 recovery partition and automatic activation to Windows 8 via the bios. All her work was on it and matched her office Windows 7 system. PC World were no help. They said it was out of warranty and that they would have told her to take an image when it was new. She insists that they did not ever mention taking images, but they did sell her their own cloud-based backup. With this she has backups of files, but not the OS. I eventually got the machine back and got what we believe was the culprit, AVG, working again, but it was a huge job. None of the W7 recovery options helped at all, and in the end I had to use Linux to "slide" the old W7 setup and data files across onto a fresh W7 install. FWIW, I dislike W10 because of the pushed advertising and the vanishing scroll bars, which I find really annoying. I find W8.1 awkward to use. W7 is fine and XP is OK because anti-virus organisations are still dealing with it even if MS isn't. As someone else mentioned, a good, little used, ex-corporate W7 business quality laptop would be my choice. It is what I am buying. -- Bill |
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Is It Practical To Avoid Windows 10 On A New Laptop Purchase?
Per Keith Nuttle:
When I mentioned garbage I was talking about the Icons for the various things you use to find on the desktop of new Windows XP/7 computers that were the first things that you remove back then. Understood. My SOP has always been to clean house and then image the resulting system as my first "Good" backup image. -- Pete Cresswell |
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Is It Practical To Avoid Windows 10 On A New Laptop Purchase?
.. . .winston posted this via
: (PeteCresswell) wrote on 08/10/2015 2:16 PM: Somebody is asking me to help them select a Windows laptop. It's really the blind leading the blind, but I cannot convince them of that. My gut says to avoid 10 if at all possible (forced updates, for instance)... and go with the familiar 8.1 with Start8 or, if possible, 7. If they say no...then your choices are Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. So, wadda you sayin', leetle buffoon boi??? Now he can't have Unbuntu or an Apple? According to yer exclusive leetle girl's club? Always remember your "It's statistically independent (think orthoganally)" admonition, and put the stick in yer ass before you open with yer keyboard. HTH. -- I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and, It's like Yogi Berra always used to say: "The future ain't what it used to be!" http://tinyurl.com/ocnqvgq |
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Is It Practical To Avoid Windows 10 On A New Laptop Purchase?
(PeteCresswell) posted this via
: Somebody is asking me to help them select a Windows laptop. It's really the blind leading the blind, but I cannot convince them of that. My gut says to avoid 10 if at all possible (forced updates, for instance)... and go with the familiar 8.1 with Start8 or, if possible, 7. What think Those Who Know? Windows 10 is NOT that daunting compared to 7, 8 and/or 8.1. The trick is like in the old days with Windows 9x releases... You have to get familiar with the options in the settings interfaces and simply turn off what you don't want, don't trust or don't want to be bothered with right now... Nice thing is, once you do that, you can always go back and switch back. In the case of the automatic updates... So far, so good. The nice thing about being in the herd is that *if* something does screw up after Microsoft has extensively tested it prior to release, then a whole lot of peeples will be in the same stew - which would serve as incentive to fix it berry berry quickly, ehhh? At any rate, if you go with a Windows 8.1 lappy, at least you have what's left of a year (since July 29) or so to avail yerself to the free Windows 10 upgrade.... That's like a really good set of options! On the alternative, if someone is really comfortable in their paranoia or their contempt for Microsoft, this could be a really good time to get familiar with something like Unbuntu (*FREE*) or Apple (*Expensive*)... AND still keep their options open for Windows 10 while the year clicks off. Of course, you'd have to have a qualifying Windows device to avail yourself to the free upgrade option. Bottom line, Windows 10 is a change and takes some getting used to, but if you're used to Win7/8/8.1, it's not that terribly daunting, and Microsoft seems committed to tweaking the options along the way... somebody else can elucidate about the chat and telephone support with Windows 10 -- and all the feedback options readily available as well... HTH. -- I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and, It's like Yogi Berra always used to say: "The future ain't what it used to be!" http://tinyurl.com/ocnqvgq |
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Is It Practical To Avoid Windows 10 On A New Laptop Purchase?
Char Jackson wrote on 08/11/2015 1:51 AM:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 23:59:58 -0400, ". . .winston" wrote: Ask them if they'd like a MSFT operating system that stop receiving security updates in 4.33 years. If they say no...then your choices are Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. As pollsters know, you can usually get the answer you want if you ask the question in the right way. Above, if the intent is to encourage someone to choose 8 or 10, that's a good question to ask. OTOH, given what we know about 8 and 10, they are both immediately disqualified for consideration, making the choice an easy one. It's a valid question that could impact the purchaser's economics in 4.33 years beyond the need to purchase an operating system receiving security updates on the same device. My experience may not be typical, but the folks I run into seem to universally share a few traits: 1. They don't make computer purchasing decisions based on what might happen that far into the future. Current pain is a much bigger motivator than possible future pain. 2. Many of them don't expect to be using the same computer that far into the future. If they are, they'll deal with the possibilities then, whatever they might be. 3. Most are senior citizens, and they've learned to take life as it comes. Long term planning is for a younger generation. The first two apply to me, as well. IMHO, basing a purchasing decision today based on what might happen 4-5 years in the future is beyond foolish, but to each his or her own. I'd be willing to take that bet....that purchasing a new device with an expectation of the o/s being supported for security patches more than 4.33 years, your advice would be ignored by the majority (in fact, it probably already is starting to lean in that direction more than it was 13 days ago). All three of those reasons don't negate the possibility that anyone considering purchasing a new device today could easily be in the population that used XP for 12 years. Thus the question I suggested bears asking to ensure the potential user is not being forced, due to ignorance or withheld information, to consider purchasing again in 4.33 yrs when less choice exists - Win10 and if lucky 8.1. -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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