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Old January 31st 16, 10:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 to 10?

Can a Win 8 computer be upgraded to Win 10 w/o upgrading it to Win 8.1
first?
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Old January 31st 16, 10:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ron wrote:
Can a Win 8 computer be upgraded to Win 10 w/o upgrading it to Win 8.1
first?


Via clean install, yes. Win8 -- Win10 (lose programs and user data maybe)

Via upgrade install, no.
Upgrades go like this. Win8 -- Win8.1 -- Win10 (keep programs and user data)

If you wish to experiment, acquire a 10586 DVD from
the Microsoft download. Don't use GWX (built-in Windows Update
related method). The 10586 media would be the best starting
material for experiments, as it supports direct license key
entry from Win8-type keys.

Using the 10586 DVD, run setup.exe off that while Win8
is running and see if it will allow you to do it. The
10586 DVD accepts direct license key entry, so a "qualifying OS"
method isn't necessarily needed. But the migration logic
used, is going to throw a wobbly when it sees "8.0". The
migration logic should only be armed for Win7SP1 and
Win8.1 . So it will probably tell you, that you need to
boot the DVD and do a clean install instead.

Whereas if you boot the DVD, rather than run setup.exe,
you should be able to do the Win8 -- Win10 clean install.
On a clean install, nothing is preserved, the migration
logic is turned off, all that matters is entering a
license key so the installation can continue. I can't
install Win10 on a physical machine here, unless I can
offer a valid key. There is no "skip" button to get
past the key entry dialog. And so far, there is no "install-only"
key floating about on the Internet, like there was for
Win8 and Win8.1 era. So if there is an install-only
key that will allow an install to finish, I haven't located
it. There are many web sites promising such a thing, but
what they offer is a (defunct) Preview key value, which
is already blocked. These web sites tease you with this
invalid information, to earn themselves advertising dollars.

Have fun,
Paul
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Old January 31st 16, 11:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ron wrote:
Can a Win 8 computer be upgraded to Win 10 w/o upgrading it to Win 8.1
first?


Yes, but only use of the free MSFT provided Media Creation Tool(MCT)
created Windows 10 media(USB, DVD, or ISO).

The MCT media can upgrade any 7 or 8x o/s (7 RTM, 7SP1, 8.0, 8.1, 8.1
Update).
- unlike the Windows Update or GWX app route which only supports
upgrading from 7SP1 or 8.1 Update.

....winston
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Old January 31st 16, 11:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston‫
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Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
Can a Win 8 computer be upgraded to Win 10 w/o upgrading it to Win 8.1
first?


Via clean install, yes. Win8 -- Win10 (lose programs and user data
maybe)

Via upgrade install, no.
Upgrades go like this. Win8 -- Win8.1 -- Win10 (keep programs and
user data)


The MCT created media provides the ability to upgrade install Win1o from
all qualifying o/s - 7, 7SP1, 8.0, 8.1, 8.1 Update
Three 'Choose what to keep' options are available
- Keep personal files and apps
- Keep personal files only
- Nothing

The GWX app only supports 7SP1 and 8.1 thus **can not** upgrade a Win
8.0 devices to Windows 10.


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Old February 2nd 16, 05:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 1/31/2016 5:31 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
Can a Win 8 computer be upgraded to Win 10 w/o upgrading it to Win 8.1
first?


Via clean install, yes. Win8 -- Win10 (lose programs and user data
maybe)

Via upgrade install, no.
Upgrades go like this. Win8 -- Win8.1 -- Win10 (keep programs and
user data)


The MCT created media provides the ability to upgrade install Win1o from
all qualifying o/s - 7, 7SP1, 8.0, 8.1, 8.1 Update
Three 'Choose what to keep' options are available
- Keep personal files and apps
- Keep personal files only
- Nothing

The GWX app only supports 7SP1 and 8.1 thus **can not** upgrade a Win
8.0 devices to Windows 10.



The machine that I'm on now is a Win 8 machine that was upgraded to Win
8.1. 8.1 killed my boot times (2-4+ minutes). I upgraded to Win 10 and
the boot times only slightly improved, so I rolled it back to Win 8.1.

I need to do a clean install and be rid of anything to do with Win 8.1.
If I upgrade to Win 10 again and then use the MCT will that do it? Or,
do I need to use my Win 8 discs to reinstall Win 8 and then upgrade to
Win 10 using the MCT?
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Old February 2nd 16, 07:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 12:15:27 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:


The most effective fix for boot time is to install an SSDD as C:, and
relegate the spin-drive to data storage.



Yes, but my view on boot time is that it hardly matters for most
people. Assuming that the computer's speed is otherwise satisfactory,
it is not generally worth worrying about. Most people start their
computers once a day or even less frequently. In the overall scheme of
things, even a few minutes to start up isn't very important.
Personally I power on my computer when I get up in the morning, then
go get my coffee. When I come back, it's done booting. I don't know
how long it took to boot and I don't care.
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Old February 2nd 16, 10:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2/2/2016 12:15 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-02-02 11:19, Ron wrote:
[...]
The machine that I'm on now is a Win 8 machine that was upgraded to Win
8.1. 8.1 killed my boot times (2-4+ minutes).

[...]

The upgrade probably added a lot of services to the start-up sequence.
Also, a lot of software starts monitoring modules (such as for updates)
on startup, even programs that have a Check for Updates menu item may do
this. Many of these service can be disabled, removed, or set to manual
start. A surprising number of programs also start monitoring or
quick-start modules during boot. You can disable pretty well all of
these with no effect other than a slightly longer load time when you
start one of them.


Been there done that...along with several other things. Been putting up
with it for way too long. Time for a change. I could boot Windows 8,
open Google Chrome, and start typing in 45 seconds. Windows 8.1 did
something to this computer and I don't know what.

If you Google "Windows 8.1 slow boot after upgrading" you will see it's
a somewhat common problem.

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Old February 2nd 16, 10:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2/2/2016 1:47 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 12:15:27 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:


The most effective fix for boot time is to install an SSDD as C:, and
relegate the spin-drive to data storage.



Yes, but my view on boot time is that it hardly matters for most
people. Assuming that the computer's speed is otherwise satisfactory,
it is not generally worth worrying about. Most people start their
computers once a day or even less frequently. In the overall scheme of
things, even a few minutes to start up isn't very important.
Personally I power on my computer when I get up in the morning, then
go get my coffee. When I come back, it's done booting. I don't know
how long it took to boot and I don't care.


I don't even turn this laptop off anymore, I just shut it and let it
sleep. If I have to install updates, I might as well plan a trip while
they install. lol
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Old February 2nd 16, 11:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ron wrote:
On 2/2/2016 12:15 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-02-02 11:19, Ron wrote:
[...]
The machine that I'm on now is a Win 8 machine that was upgraded to Win
8.1. 8.1 killed my boot times (2-4+ minutes).

[...]

The upgrade probably added a lot of services to the start-up sequence.
Also, a lot of software starts monitoring modules (such as for updates)
on startup, even programs that have a Check for Updates menu item may do
this. Many of these service can be disabled, removed, or set to manual
start. A surprising number of programs also start monitoring or
quick-start modules during boot. You can disable pretty well all of
these with no effect other than a slightly longer load time when you
start one of them.


Been there done that...along with several other things. Been putting up
with it for way too long. Time for a change. I could boot Windows 8,
open Google Chrome, and start typing in 45 seconds. Windows 8.1 did
something to this computer and I don't know what.

If you Google "Windows 8.1 slow boot after upgrading" you will see it's
a somewhat common problem.


Download a Microsoft-created Win10 VM into VirtualBox 5.02 or later,
and time how long it takes that to come up. That should
demonstrate a reasonable well configured version of Win10.

https://dev.windows.com/en-us/micros...vms/#downloads

*******

There is also a Windows Performance Analyzer program, for
evaluating startup activities, but as you can see here,
I still don't know how to drive it properly :-)

http://i59.tinypic.com/vobxxe.png

In WinXP era, there was BootViz, which gave a very nice
graph, was easy to use, and allowed two users on the Internet
to share experiences. The WPA package on the other hand, is
an "IT guy" tool, designed to annoy you. It has some sort
of two hour "performance analysis" it runs, when all you
really care about is boot time. So if you want to understand
what is going on, under the hood in Win10, it'll be
a bumpy ride.

The only reason I'm mentioning that option, is to point
out that in theory, free tools exist for shining a
light on performance. So you can see that built-in
Microsoft AV you turned off, still scans the disk at startup
(like most AV, it concentrates on a few thousand system files).

Paul
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Old February 3rd 16, 01:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 12:15:27 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:


The most effective fix for boot time is to install an SSDD as C:, and
relegate the spin-drive to data storage.



Yes, but my view on boot time is that it hardly matters for most
people. Assuming that the computer's speed is otherwise satisfactory,
it is not generally worth worrying about. Most people start their
computers once a day or even less frequently. In the overall scheme of
things, even a few minutes to start up isn't very important.
Personally I power on my computer when I get up in the morning, then
go get my coffee. When I come back, it's done booting. I don't know
how long it took to boot and I don't care.


+1. I use the same scenario :-)

For the few times that I've had to (chose to) sit through a reboot, I didn't
find much difference between Win8/8.1 and Win10. Certainly not enough for me
to roll back from Win10.
--
SC Tom


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Old February 4th 16, 10:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ron wrote:
On 1/31/2016 5:31 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:

The MCT created media provides the ability to upgrade install Win1o from
all qualifying o/s - 7, 7SP1, 8.0, 8.1, 8.1 Update
Three 'Choose what to keep' options are available
- Keep personal files and apps
- Keep personal files only
- Nothing



The machine that I'm on now is a Win 8 machine that was upgraded to Win
8.1. 8.1 killed my boot times (2-4+ minutes). I upgraded to Win 10 and
the boot times only slightly improved, so I rolled it back to Win 8.1.

I need to do a clean install and be rid of anything to do with Win 8.1.
If I upgrade to Win 10 again and then use the MCT will that do it? Or,
do I need to use my Win 8 discs to reinstall Win 8 and then upgrade to
Win 10 using the MCT?


You asked two questions
1.Yes
2. No

The Win10 MCT created Win10 media can upgrade install and clean install
Win10. The latter without a product key only after the initial o/s is
upgraded to Win10, activated and receives its digital entitled license.
- Once the device is assigned its digital entitled licensed,one can
clean install using the MCT created media at anytime in the future
including wiping all traces of the existing (and prior) operating system.

When clean installing Win10 on a device that already has an activated
Win10 with a digital entitled license or a previously digital entitled
license(upgrade to 10 and activated -e.g. from 8/8.1 to 10 and activated
then rolled back to 10) - then no product key is required to when
prompted by the Win10 clean install - leave the product key field blank
and if shown choose the 'Skip' option. Win10 will be clean installed,
the device will be verified for its digital license and then activated.

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Old February 4th 16, 10:12 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston‫
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 12:15:27 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:


The most effective fix for boot time is to install an SSDD as C:, and
relegate the spin-drive to data storage.



Yes, but my view on boot time is that it hardly matters for most
people. Assuming that the computer's speed is otherwise satisfactory,
it is not generally worth worrying about. Most people start their
computers once a day or even less frequently. In the overall scheme of
things, even a few minutes to start up isn't very important.
Personally I power on my computer when I get up in the morning, then
go get my coffee. When I come back, it's done booting. I don't know
how long it took to boot and I don't care.

I could never make coffee in the time it take any of my devices to boot
up from a cold start in the morning. Win10 is about 20 sec. on the
Surface and 45 sec on the i3 Laptop.
Win 7 takes a bit longer - about 1 minute. Unlike you, while making
coffee I've already checked my mail on my iPhone, read the headlines
online on the paper online on the Surface and deleted mail I don't need
to see later on the laptop.

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Old February 4th 16, 07:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2/4/2016 4:02 AM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 1/31/2016 5:31 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:

The MCT created media provides the ability to upgrade install Win1o from
all qualifying o/s - 7, 7SP1, 8.0, 8.1, 8.1 Update
Three 'Choose what to keep' options are available
- Keep personal files and apps
- Keep personal files only
- Nothing



The machine that I'm on now is a Win 8 machine that was upgraded to Win
8.1. 8.1 killed my boot times (2-4+ minutes). I upgraded to Win 10 and
the boot times only slightly improved, so I rolled it back to Win 8.1.

I need to do a clean install and be rid of anything to do with Win 8.1.
If I upgrade to Win 10 again and then use the MCT will that do it? Or,
do I need to use my Win 8 discs to reinstall Win 8 and then upgrade to
Win 10 using the MCT?


You asked two questions
1.Yes
2. No

The Win10 MCT created Win10 media can upgrade install and clean install
Win10. The latter without a product key only after the initial o/s is
upgraded to Win10, activated and receives its digital entitled license.
- Once the device is assigned its digital entitled licensed,one can
clean install using the MCT created media at anytime in the future
including wiping all traces of the existing (and prior) operating system.

When clean installing Win10 on a device that already has an activated
Win10 with a digital entitled license or a previously digital entitled
license(upgrade to 10 and activated -e.g. from 8/8.1 to 10 and activated
then rolled back to 10) - then no product key is required to when
prompted by the Win10 clean install - leave the product key field blank
and if shown choose the 'Skip' option. Win10 will be clean installed,
the device will be verified for its digital license and then activated.


Thanks. Not looking forward to doing it, but the boot times are driving
me crazy.
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Old February 5th 16, 01:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ron wrote:
On 2/4/2016 4:02 AM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 1/31/2016 5:31 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:

The MCT created media provides the ability to upgrade install Win1o
from
all qualifying o/s - 7, 7SP1, 8.0, 8.1, 8.1 Update
Three 'Choose what to keep' options are available
- Keep personal files and apps
- Keep personal files only
- Nothing



The machine that I'm on now is a Win 8 machine that was upgraded to Win
8.1. 8.1 killed my boot times (2-4+ minutes). I upgraded to Win 10 and
the boot times only slightly improved, so I rolled it back to Win 8.1.

I need to do a clean install and be rid of anything to do with Win 8.1.
If I upgrade to Win 10 again and then use the MCT will that do it? Or,
do I need to use my Win 8 discs to reinstall Win 8 and then upgrade to
Win 10 using the MCT?


You asked two questions
1.Yes
2. No

The Win10 MCT created Win10 media can upgrade install and clean install
Win10. The latter without a product key only after the initial o/s is
upgraded to Win10, activated and receives its digital entitled license.
- Once the device is assigned its digital entitled licensed,one can
clean install using the MCT created media at anytime in the future
including wiping all traces of the existing (and prior) operating system.

When clean installing Win10 on a device that already has an activated
Win10 with a digital entitled license or a previously digital entitled
license(upgrade to 10 and activated -e.g. from 8/8.1 to 10 and activated
then rolled back to 10) - then no product key is required to when
prompted by the Win10 clean install - leave the product key field blank
and if shown choose the 'Skip' option. Win10 will be clean installed,
the device will be verified for its digital license and then activated.


Thanks. Not looking forward to doing it, but the boot times are driving
me crazy.


The fastest boot times in Win10 are achieved by enabling Fast Startup.

http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4...dows-10-a.html



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