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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 20:11:58 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
This is a long URL I have posted prior, with an unwrap character: What do you consider as an 'unwrap character'? That's a good question! My free Windows newsreader has a special wrap override character which is known to the newsreader and which only plays a role when wrapping is enabled. If wrapping is enabled, then the newsreader will wrap all lines except those which are preceded by its special unwrap character before it sends the body of the message to the news server. The result is that any body line that begins with the special unwrap character isn't wrapped, while all the other body lines are wrapped. I also have fancy scripting in my newsreader which can do anything to a post either before, during, or after it's sent - so I could make use of almost any feature such that it could actually remove all those useless extraneous angle brackets if I wanted it to. By way of proof, you can see the special unwrap character insertion in this screenshot below of this very post (where it's just a right click action). [[] http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/16/unwrap.jpg [[] |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 07:23:17 +1000, dorayme wrote:
Maybe the idea is to put angle brackets to counteract for when the URL *does* have hard wraps in. Your four examples seem not to include one of these. You bring up a good point which is that badly behaved newsreaders need people to manually insert all sorts of protections to protect people from the bad behavior of the news reader client. Since my newsreader is well behaved, nobody should ever have a problem with the long uri's that I use, but if others have bad Usenet clients, then I can see that they need to make use of the otherwise useless extraneous angle bracket characters which just make a long line even longer. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
In article , Chaya Eve
wrote: This is a long URL I have posted prior, with an unwrap character: What do you consider as an 'unwrap character'? That's a good question! My free Windows newsreader has a special wrap override character which is known to the newsreader and which only plays a role when wrapping is enabled. non-standard. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
In article , Chaya Eve
wrote: Since my newsreader is well behaved, it isn't. nobody should ever have a problem with the long uri's that I use, but if others have bad Usenet clients, then I can see that they need to make use of the otherwise useless extraneous angle bracket characters which just make a long line even longer. wrong. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 22:42:36 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote: In those four situations, what does the extraneous angle brackets do for your newsreader? Now see which of those four work when you click on them. Thanks Tim for bringing up that quick test for my newsreader on Windows. The strangest things happened, that I don't have an explanation for. I doubleclicked on each of the 4 quoted URIs with the following results. I maybe should note that my default Windows 10 "installed browser" is Opera, even though I generally use the Tor Browser for browsing, so it brought up Opera each time I doubleclicked on the URIs (because Windows 10 apparently can't default to a portable browser). I also have Opera set up to delete all browsing data between sessions: START PAGE = opera://settings/clearBrowserData For each of the four tests, I closed the Opera browser beforehand so that Opera would have nothing in the cache (as I have Opera set up in full privacy mode so that it remembers nothing between sessions - and even removes the user-specific VPN ID although that's currently a manual process). Not only was Opera using VPN but I was also on a free public VPN server at the same time (as I'm always on VPN, either singly or doubly) so it was rather slow (a few seconds) which worked out well and to my advantage because I could easily see what was happening with the URIs. 1. Doubleclicking on the first quoted URI brought up Opera with the seemingly truncated URI of: "blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/08/23/announcing-windows-10-in" And yet, then it automatically opened the correct URI of: "blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/08/23/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-16273-pc/" 2. Same as above, only with a single character difference of: "blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/08/23/announcing-windows-10-i" And yet, it still brought up the correct URL after a moment or two (I was on double VPN so it was a bit slow which worked to my advantage): "blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/08/23/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-16273-pc/" 3. Same as #1 above. 4. Same as #2 above. Since all four quoted URIs worked just fine in Opera under double VPN when I doubleclicked on them, what were we expecting to happen? |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 22:52:33 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote: Yes, in fact nospam was right, they wrap (and quite horribly, see above) but my newsreader still does the right thing when you click on those enclosed in . The two that are not so enclosed no longer work as expected. My setup, which is pretty standard, worked fine when I doubleclicked on all four of the quoted URIs, both those with and without the extraneous angle brackets. However, I can imagine that others aren't on Windows 10 using standard browsers and well behaved Usenet clients so I thank you for explaining why some people need the extraneous angle brackets. It makes sense that extraneous brackets are needed by some people, so if I have a long URI, I will consider adding the extraneous extra angle brackets as a courtesy to them. Thanks for explaining why they are needed for some people! |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
In article , Chaya Eve
wrote: However, I can imagine that others aren't on Windows 10 using standard browsers and well behaved Usenet clients so I thank you for explaining why some people need the extraneous angle brackets. standards are not defined by what windows 10 does or any other version of windows for that matter. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On 2017-09-16 11:40:07 +0000, Chaya Eve said:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 18:09:27 +1200, Your Name wrote: 66 and 99 *are* the curly quote marks, so you did know about them. Yes, but they were hand written quotes. So there was only one type of hand-written quote. No, there were always two ... hence "66" *and* "99". Lazy people would probably have incorrectly written them the same though, and then got hit over the knuckles by the teacher ... ahh, the good ol' days when teachers could actually smack the naughty kids. Typewriter (and plain text / ASCII) quote marks are normally short vertical lines. Exactly. So there was only one type of type-written quote. Technically there still is. There's only one on the keyboard, but the software converts the "straight quotes / apostrophes" into "curly" ones. You can also type curly quotes directly (or use a "keyboard viewer" or "insert glyph / character" feature). As usual it's a bit cumbersome under Windows with some silly codes, but on a Mac you can just type Option-[ and Shift-Option-[ for curly quotes and Option-] and Shift-Option-] for curly apostrophes. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote: In article , dorayme wrote: In article , Tim Streater wrote: In article , Your Name wrote: The apostrophe in words like it's ... "it's" is not a word. It's a contraction of "it is". An alternative theory: it *is* a word and means the same as the longer phrase. That's a hypothesis you are putting forward, not a theory. Mine was a theory because it is supported by evidence. Snoot snoot !! It is a silly distinction in this context. In your heart of hearts, you know this Tim! What evidence? Schevidence, schmevidence indeed. -- dorayme |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 22:08:08 +0000 (UTC), Chaya Eve
wrote: My setup, which is pretty standard, worked fine when I doubleclicked on all four of the quoted URIs, both those with and without the extraneous angle brackets. However, I can imagine that others aren't on Windows 10 using standard browsers and well behaved Usenet clients so I thank you for explaining why some people need the extraneous angle brackets. Interesting! I would have guessed that you're using Windows XP, which is probably your intent. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 10:07:39 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
Interesting! I would have guessed that you're using Windows XP, which is probably your intent. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 As previously explained, I have been on Usenet for decades where I post to perhaps fifty threads in about as many newsgroups per day on average and, where, for privacy reasons, my Usenet client randomizes all headers automatically. I don't even know what the headers will say since the randomization algorithm only locks onto the newsgroups and thread title (aka subject matter). The only user-definable header which isn't random is the subject line and where the body contains all that is necessary to know in order to answer the question. I'm not on Usenet for idle chatter, which I call the "coffee shop" Usenet model, where it's actually important contextually who you are, since the idle chatter conveys almost zero information otherwise. I'm on Usenet to get (and give) answers to technical questions. Period. I'm here to raise the overall tribal knowledge to a level that is above what it was before I opened or posted to a thread. There are crazies out there, as you well know (GG being one of them), so, it's important to remain anonymous from them, but more importantly, from aggregators who don't have the sophistication to delve into the body of the thread. I don't hide who I am in the body of the message (where I find it hilarious that self-proclaimed super sleuths such as JR declare everyone else to be me when they can't even notice the obvious in their face). You can rest assured my technical conversation is always on point. And that I will always be a good Usenet citizen by following the rules of summarizing and testing and responding to all valid comments. Where it gets dicey is when dealing with the trolls like nospam, who have zero intention of contributing to the overall knowledge of Usenet. I generally shut those common trolls down as soon as possible as they are a detriment to the thread. Did you notice I stayed out of the offshoot conversation about those common trolls in this thread? That's because all the Usenet advice for dealing with trolls is meant for the "coffee shop" model of Usenet, where I don't use that model. So I have to deal with common trolls like nospam in my own special way. |
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