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Old December 10th 17, 04:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 13:28:20 -0500, "Mayayana"
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The weirdest part of all to me: If you're a gay couple,
why would you want to force a fundamentalist quasi-
Christian to bake your wedding cake?


Why would a fundamentalist quasi-Christian (pseudo-Christian?) offer
to bake and decorate a wedding cake for a gay couple? The fake
Christian offered to do it and the gay couple accepted. Contract
created. THEN the fake Christian wanted to back out of the deal.
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Old December 10th 17, 05:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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| The weirdest part of all to me: If you're a gay couple,
| why would you want to force a fundamentalist quasi-
| Christian to bake your wedding cake?
|
| Why would a fundamentalist quasi-Christian (pseudo-Christian?) offer
| to bake and decorate a wedding cake for a gay couple? The fake
| Christian offered to do it and the gay couple accepted. Contract
| created. THEN the fake Christian wanted to back out of the deal.


That's not what the news says. The gay couple say
that the baker refused as soon as he knew the cake
was for a gay wedding:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...age-cake-case/

"Charlie and I and Charlie's mother went into Masterpiece Cakeshop. We had a
binder of ideas for cake. We sat down with the owner, Jack Phillips. And
within a couple of moments he asked me if the cake was for us, and we told
him that it was, and he then told us he would not make a cake for a same-sex
wedding. What followed was an incredibly awkward pregnant pause after which
we got up and we left."

But what difference does it make? If it were me I
would have found another baker. They may win their
case and make the world safe for gay cakes baked
by fundamentalist religious devotees, but so what?
They could have just left him alone and found another
baker. As I asked before, do you really want waiters
spitting into your food because you insist on eating
where you're not wanted to express your "rights"?

I would never do business where I felt I wasn't
wanted, regardless of what the law says. You can't
legislate those things. And it sounded like the baker
was actually very polite. He just said outright that
the job was against his religion.

(My first job, at 15, was at McDonalds. We used to get
occasional people who came in to order custom. For
instance, ketchup but no pickle. They thought they
were being clever because it forced the cook to cook
a fresh burger. The cook resented having to do a
single. He normally cooked batches of 24. So whenever
there was a custom order we'd all sneak glances into the
kitchen to see the ritual drool of the cook onto the
custom burger. Shocking? Gross? If you think so then
you're probably eating a lot of spit.)

There's a similar scenario happening with the gender
bending trend and the current sexual harassment
issue. People have a legal and moral right to not be
subject to violence and those are real issues. But they
don't have a right to simply not deal with anything
that bothers them. And they don't have a right to force
the world to their terms. That's not rights. That's just
being a brat.

Did Al Franken harass a newswoman? Was he just
being adolescent? Or was she, perhaps, a prima dona
(being a former model) who was condescending and
Al was putting her in her place? We may never know.
His side of the story was not relevant. Only the possibility
of sexism was relevant to the witch-hunting mob.

There was a case recently At Brandeis Univ in MA
where a sculpture was put up. It looked to be a
dumpy man in briefs, sleepwalking. He looked pitiful.
Not inspiring art, but somehow it was assigned to
be put on some lawn. A few young women insisted it
must be taken down because it "made them feel
unsafe". 300 people signed the petition.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sculptu...ollege-campus/

Pleasantly, the staff said they had meant to spark
discussion and debate with the statue.

Are the young women suffering because they're
exposed to sexist violence fantasy triggers? Or are
the pro-statue people suffering because their choice
of art is being impinged upon? Why do we legislate
sexism but not art fascism? Why do we infantilize
women so that they believe they're too delicate to
tolerate white American suburbs without special
restrictions? Can't you accept at least some
legitimacy for the view of the baker and his claimed
rights to religious freedom?



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Old December 11th 17, 04:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:29:15 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

Can't you accept at least some legitimacy for the view of the baker
and his claimed rights to religious freedom?


Not really. The baker is *not* running a business that ONLY sells to
selected specific APPROVED customers. He is competing for general
public sales--and he knows it. Therefore, he has to comply with the
laws pertaining to businesses operating in that area (selling to the
general public). If he did NOT want to sell to the general public,
then he should not be operating a business that *does* sell to the
general public. He should be operating a business that only sells to
churches approved by him. But THAT would really cut into his revenues
and profits. It is the tradeoff he accepts IF he does NOT want to sell
to the general public.
 




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