All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

On 8/2/2015 12:04 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Jo-Anne
wrote:

If the files aren't huge, you could email them to yourself as attachments.

he said he doesn't want to use the cloud.


I thought he meant that he didn't want to put the files into something
like Dropbox.

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On 8/2/15 8:40 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

I don't own an iPad, so I don't know the intricacies of it, but what you
can do depends on whether it's an iPad 1, 2, or 3. But all should have
Bluetooth and/or Wi-Fi built in. My 5.5 year old iMac has both built in.

none of that matters. they all work the same way.

The question I'm expressing is, all of them will have one of those two
connectivity systems, but do all three have both? As noted elsewhere, I
don't have any iOS devices, but I do know there were a lot of things
missing from the iPad 1 that were remedied in the iPad 2. I don't know
what the improvements/advances/changes are for iPad 3.

I know you don't want to use iTunes, but I'd bet that's going to be your
easiest route.

of course it will be the easiest route. it's *very* easy.

It should already be on the iPad.

itunes on the ipad is not needed. it's just a music/movie store.

it's totally different than itunes on the computer, which includes
device management.

I don't own any Apple
devices, so don't know how the syncing works.

who do you think made your 5.5 year old imac?

And what does that have to do with the subject?

anyway, syncing is very easy. just plug in the ipad (or iphone), click
sync and whatever selected music, movies, photos, apps, etc. are
copied. it can also be configured to sync automatically and even over
wifi so you don't even need to fuss with a cable or click a button.

but he wants to do it the hard way.

For those that want to use their Apple computers and devices in that
way, constantly keeping ever unit updated with each other, the systems
work really slick. Myself, I prefer as little cloud use as possible.

You've conveniently forgotten that Werner does not own the XP machine,
and the *owner* has decided iTunes is not to be used. Read the original
post.

Dropbox or similar would be my cloud choice if you have an account. I
don't care that much for the way it works between computers either, but
I don't use the account for those purposes anyway.

for 2 movies that might work (assuming it fits within whatever dropbox
plan he has), but over time it's going to end up being more than 2
movies. he'll want more after he watches the first two.

I'd be willing to bet his friend will eventually want more files. LOL



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On 02/08/2015 06:48, Werner Obermeier wrote:
All I want to do is bring two MP4 files from WinXP to iOS 7.1.1 iPad.

Just zip the files and email it to yourself which you can then retrieve
it using your ipad. Can you not do this?

Probably it is rocket science here which none of us would know.

On 2015-08-02, Jo-Anne wrote:
On 8/2/2015 12:04 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Jo-Anne
wrote:

If the files aren't huge, you could email them to yourself as attachments.

he said he doesn't want to use the cloud.

I thought he meant that he didn't want to put the files into something
like Dropbox.

IIRC, the numbskull considers things like email to be "the cloud", and
avoids them at all costs.

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On 2015-08-02, Ken Springer wrote:

You've conveniently forgotten that Werner does not own the XP machine,
and the *owner* has decided iTunes is not to be used. Read the original
post.

Forgot, or recognized as the bull**** it is? This happens to be one of
the standard lies the OP tells when he posts here. "I'm using someone
else's machine, so installing iTunes is not an option" is part of his
modus operandi. He's a lame troll.

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On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 11:51:58 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2015-08-02 11:37, Wildman wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 08:03:45 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

On 2015-08-02 14:33:45 +0000, Werner Obermeier said:

Pat wrote in :

You seem to be opposed to any idea that isn't exactly how you think it
should work. Why are you so against using the program/drivers
intended for your need? (Yes, the drivers get installed with iTunes.)

I don't really want to go into the rathole of why iTunes is the wrong
answer, just as the cloud is the wrong answer, when all you really want
to do is copy two files from someone else's Windows XP PC to your iPad.

Remember, it's trivial to do this using Android.
And, it's even trivialier (if that's a word) to do this with Linux.

Why is it that all Android and Linux evangelists who poke their noses
into non-Android and non-Linux forums, allegedly seeking a solution to
a problem, refuse to accept the simplest and best solutions?

Because it has nothing to do with Linux or Android...

http://www.ericberne.com/games-peopl...t-you-yes-but/



Most excellent. You've proven the point. The OP is willing to explore
a dozen solutions to avoid the one that works. And could have done that
solution many times over in the time wasted.

Come Watson, come! The game is afoot.

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On 2015-08-02, Good Guy wrote:
On 02/08/2015 06:48, Werner Obermeier wrote:
All I want to do is bring two MP4 files from WinXP to iOS 7.1.1 iPad.

Just zip the files and email it to yourself which you can then retrieve
it using your ipad. Can you not do this?

He doesn't want to use the internet.

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On 8/2/15 8:19 AM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
Ken Springer wrote in
:

I don't know what you mean by "mount" the iPad. If you mean you would
have an icon on the desktop for the iPad just as you would for an
external drive, it doesn't work that way AFAIK. After all, the iPad is
a computer.

That's a good question, especially since Windows users may not be used
to "mounting" devices as logical drives.

I'd say that's a given. G

On Windows, if you plug in, oh, say, an optical DVD disc drive, you'll
notice it's automatically "mounted" as, oh, say, "Drive E:". Likewise,
if you plug in, oh, say, a USB stick, it's automatically mounted as, oh,
say, "Drive F:", labeled "My USB Stick".

I think most Windows users are aware of this, but the word "mount" for
that is totally foreign.

It's the same when you plug in an iPad into Linux. It automatically
gets mounted as "iPad" and as "Documents". All the pictures and videos
and screenshots are in the "iPad" mount point, while many of the users
documents are in the "Documents" mount point.

I find that interesting, I would have thought it would show up as a
system on the network.

These mount points act just like USB sticks do, in that you can copy
any file on the iPad over to the Linux machine and vice versa, you can
copy any file from the Linux machine over to the iPad, and it all just
works.

All I want is that same five-second-copy convenience for Windows XP.

I don't own an iPad, so I don't know the intricacies of it, but what you
can do depends on whether it's an iPad 1, 2, or 3. But all should have
Bluetooth and/or Wi-Fi built in. My 5.5 year old iMac has both built in.

You hit the nail on the head!

On Android, for example, it would be trivial to use Bluetooth or WiFi to
or from the mobile device and laptop. The task would have been done in
five or ten seconds.

In this situation, are you connecting directly between the device and
laptop, or is there an intermediate device such as a router?

It's no so easy with an iPad because it's a very rigidly closed system,
so, that is why I am asking for help and advice.

I know you don't want to use iTunes, but I'd bet that's going to be your
easiest route. It should already be on the iPad. I don't own any Apple
devices, so don't know how the syncing works.

The so-called iTunes on the iPad isn't even close to the iTunes that is
on Windows - but you are wholly correct in that nobody would want to load
that thing onto someone else's Windows machine *just* to copy over a
couple of files.

This does not surprise me. The Apple apps on iPads are not as robust as
the same apps installed under OS X. This was one of the downsides of
iPads and Minis for me, I wanted them to be identical. Then I learned
the same situation applies for Android tablets for apps that are on
Windows and Android from what I can tell. Since the Surface tablet runs
Windows itself, AIUI, I would think the Surface does not have "cut down"
versions if used via the cloud.

If it were Android, it would just work by WiFi or Bluetooth, natively,
so, that might be an option with the iPad (if WiFi or Bluetooth work).

If it were Linux, it would also just work because Linux has MTP drivers
which make the iPad a USB device, so, it's as easy as copying over
a file to or from a USB stick.

The problem is that it's Windows, which I don't know all that well.

The only three viable Windows:iPad options I can think of a
1. MTP drivers for Windows to mount the iPad
2. Bluetooth from Windows to the iPad
3. WiFi from Windows to the iPad

Depending on the physical situation, possibly networking the two?

Dropbox or similar would be my cloud choice if you have an account. I
don't care that much for the way it works between computers either, but
I don't use the account for those purposes anyway.

Using dropbox will work but it's like using hand grenades on gopher
holes. Too much overhead, too much effort, and too much disassembly
for simply copying two files from Windows to the iPad.

Bear in mind that I just did the copy today, and it took seconds, but
I had to use sneakernet to put the files on a USB stick from Windows
and then to put those files onto Linux. Linux has MTP drivers, so,
I then just copied the files from Linux to the iPad over the USB
cable that comes with the iPad.

I'm thinking you can just connect the USB stick to one or more of those
models of iPad, but I could be wrong.

But, there must be an easy way to transfer the files from Windows
directly to the iPad without having to resort to sneakernet or
hand grenades.

I'm of the opinion neither MS or Apple want to make things easy for the
user in the case of connectivity. Strictly a user perspective.



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On 8/2/15 11:04 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

I have my Mac and Windows systems on the same network, hardwired, and it
was a PITA to get them to talk to each other. I finally got it done,
but not the way I wanted it to. Which is another way of saying, it's
not working the way I think it should work. G

i don't know what you did, but it's very easy to get a mac and windows
system to talk to each other.

Which version of OS X are you talking about? Unlike connecting a
Windows computer to a Windows network, where the new windows machine
show up if sharing is turned on, Macs do not. And the way to get the
Mac to connect varies a bit by the version of OS X.

And, all of which is not germane to the topic.


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On 2015-08-02, Ken Springer wrote:
On 8/2/15 11:04 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

I have my Mac and Windows systems on the same network, hardwired, and it
was a PITA to get them to talk to each other. I finally got it done,
but not the way I wanted it to. Which is another way of saying, it's
not working the way I think it should work. G

i don't know what you did, but it's very easy to get a mac and windows
system to talk to each other.

Which version of OS X are you talking about? Unlike connecting a
Windows computer to a Windows network, where the new windows machine
show up if sharing is turned on, Macs do not.

They certainly do show up on any Macs on the network. It's Windows PCs
that can't seem to see them automatically. So Windows PCs see other
Windows PCs, and Macs see other Macs. Somehow this must be Apple's
fault. Funny. : )

And the way to get the Mac to connect varies a bit by the version of OS X.

It's still very easy. I've been doing it for decades with various
versions of both OS X and Windows.

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On 2015-08-02, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On 2 Aug 2015 17:25:31 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2015-08-02, Ken Springer wrote:

You've conveniently forgotten that Werner does not own the XP machine,
and the *owner* has decided iTunes is not to be used. Read the original
post.

Forgot, or recognized as the bull**** it is? This happens to be one of
the standard lies the OP tells when he posts here. "I'm using someone
else's machine, so installing iTunes is not an option" is part of his
modus operandi. He's a lame troll.

The best solution to EVERY problem is the simplest one which
accomplishes the desired end result.

Yes, well in this case, that would be:

1. Install iTunes.
2. Add content to iTunes.
3. Synchronize the iPad to iTunes.
4. Uninstall iTunes.

Done deal, and you've spent half an hour or less of your time doing it.

And if you were to keep iTunes installed, you could easily set it to
sync automatically over WiFi so that adding content to the iPad in the
future is a simple matter of importing it into iTunes and allowing the
sync to happen automatically over WiFi.

As services like dropbox and wetransfer can transfer files easily and
without requiring the installation of any additional software, they
represent the best solution to the problem presented.

To have the best solutions rejected out of hand is the behavior of a
troll, I agree.

When posting here asking for "help", he almost always rejects anything
that uses "the cloud" - whether it be services like DropBox or things
like email.

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On 2015-08-02, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2015-08-02, Ken Springer wrote:
On 8/2/15 11:04 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

I have my Mac and Windows systems on the same network, hardwired, and it
was a PITA to get them to talk to each other. I finally got it done,
but not the way I wanted it to. Which is another way of saying, it's
not working the way I think it should work. G

i don't know what you did, but it's very easy to get a mac and windows
system to talk to each other.

Which version of OS X are you talking about? Unlike connecting a
Windows computer to a Windows network, where the new windows machine
show up if sharing is turned on, Macs do not.

They certainly do show up on any Macs on the network. It's Windows PCs
that can't seem to see them automatically. So Windows PCs see other
Windows PCs, and Macs see other Macs. Somehow this must be Apple's
fault. Funny. : )

I should add that in recent versions of OS X, Windows PCs that are
sharing files actually do appear automatically on Macs on the network.

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In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

I don't own an iPad, so I don't know the intricacies of it, but what you
can do depends on whether it's an iPad 1, 2, or 3. But all should have
Bluetooth and/or Wi-Fi built in. My 5.5 year old iMac has both built in.

none of that matters. they all work the same way.

The question I'm expressing is, all of them will have one of those two
connectivity systems, but do all three have both?

all ipads have wifi and bluetooth but neither is needed to sync content.

syncing is frequently done over usb because it's fast, but it can
optionally be done over wifi for convenience.

As noted elsewhere, I
don't have any iOS devices,

then you ought not to comment.

but I do know there were a lot of things
missing from the iPad 1 that were remedied in the iPad 2.

not really.

the ipad 2 was a little thinner and lighter than the original ipad and
also added a camera. it was also a little faster and had more memory.

those are all nice, but nothing that would affect moving content.

I don't know
what the improvements/advances/changes are for iPad 3.

the main difference with the ipad 3 was a retina display.

other differences include bluetooth le and for the cellular version,
lte support.

I don't own any Apple
devices, so don't know how the syncing works.

who do you think made your 5.5 year old imac?

And what does that have to do with the subject?

you said you didn't have an apple device and then said you did.

anyway, syncing is very easy. just plug in the ipad (or iphone), click
sync and whatever selected music, movies, photos, apps, etc. are
copied. it can also be configured to sync automatically and even over
wifi so you don't even need to fuss with a cable or click a button.

but he wants to do it the hard way.

For those that want to use their Apple computers and devices in that
way, constantly keeping ever unit updated with each other, the systems
work really slick. Myself, I prefer as little cloud use as possible.

the cloud is not required for any content transfer and keeping multiple
ios devices in sync is not required nor is it even applicable since
this is just one device syncing to one computer.

You've conveniently forgotten that Werner does not own the XP machine,
and the *owner* has decided iTunes is not to be used. Read the original
post.

having seen his posts before, he's full of ****.

all he does is whine about how horrible itunes is.

he doesn't actually want a solution. he just wants to rant.

this very same scenario has come up many times before, with only minor
differences in details.

Dropbox or similar would be my cloud choice if you have an account. I
don't care that much for the way it works between computers either, but
I don't use the account for those purposes anyway.

for 2 movies that might work (assuming it fits within whatever dropbox
plan he has), but over time it's going to end up being more than 2
movies. he'll want more after he watches the first two.

I'd be willing to bet his friend will eventually want more files. LOL

that's my point.

all of the crazy workarounds might suffice for one or two files but it
won't be just one or two files.

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

I know you don't want to use iTunes, but I'd bet that's going to be your
easiest route. It should already be on the iPad. I don't own any Apple
devices, so don't know how the syncing works.

The so-called iTunes on the iPad isn't even close to the iTunes that is
on Windows - but you are wholly correct in that nobody would want to load
that thing onto someone else's Windows machine *just* to copy over a
couple of files.

This does not surprise me. The Apple apps on iPads are not as robust as
the same apps installed under OS X.

nonsense, and they aren't the same apps anyway.

This was one of the downsides of
iPads and Minis for me, I wanted them to be identical. Then I learned
the same situation applies for Android tablets for apps that are on
Windows and Android from what I can tell.

they can't be identical since a touch based device must have a
different interface than a mouse/keyboard device.

Since the Surface tablet runs
Windows itself, AIUI, I would think the Surface does not have "cut down"
versions if used via the cloud.

and look how well surface is selling.

....
But, there must be an easy way to transfer the files from Windows
directly to the iPad without having to resort to sneakernet or
hand grenades.

I'm of the opinion neither MS or Apple want to make things easy for the
user in the case of connectivity. Strictly a user perspective.

apple made it *very* easy.

In article , Jo-Anne
wrote:

If the files aren't huge, you could email them to yourself as attachments.

he said he doesn't want to use the cloud.


I thought he meant that he didn't want to put the files into something
like Dropbox.

either way, it goes into the cloud. one is a mail server and the other
is a dropbox server.