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Why can I get no answer with google to the question,"is there an expiry
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F Murtz wrote on 8/19/2015 8:50 AM:
Why can I get no answer with google to the question,"is there an expiry date on reserving win 10"? To get it free you have almost a year, can I leave reserving till just before cut off date for free offer? I wouldn't use the reserve feature as there may be a time delay between the point of reserve and the time you get it. And you might get it after the date of expire if you cut it too close. Why not just use the Media Creation tool and upgrade on the spot, the day you want it? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 Just pick the 32 or 64 bit version you are running. |
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Big Al wrote:
F Murtz wrote on 8/19/2015 8:50 AM: Why can I get no answer with google to the question,"is there an expiry date on reserving win 10"? To get it free you have almost a year, can I leave reserving till just before cut off date for free offer? I wouldn't use the reserve feature as there may be a time delay between the point of reserve and the time you get it. And you might get it after the date of expire if you cut it too close. Why not just use the Media Creation tool and upgrade on the spot, the day you want it? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 Just pick the 32 or 64 bit version you are running. The question is probably academic as there is still 10 or more months it only came up as someone told me (wrongly I think) that if I did not reserve soon I would lose that right as there was a cutoff date on reservation before the date for free installation. It sounds like rubbish as I can get an ISO and install it my self sometime in the next 10 or so months. |
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On 19/08/15 14:55, F Murtz wrote:
Big Al wrote: F Murtz wrote on 8/19/2015 8:50 AM: Why can I get no answer with google to the question,"is there an expiry date on reserving win 10"? To get it free you have almost a year, can I leave reserving till just before cut off date for free offer? I wouldn't use the reserve feature as there may be a time delay between the point of reserve and the time you get it. And you might get it after the date of expire if you cut it too close. Why not just use the Media Creation tool and upgrade on the spot, the day you want it? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 Just pick the 32 or 64 bit version you are running. The question is probably academic as there is still 10 or more months it only came up as someone told me (wrongly I think) that if I did not reserve soon I would lose that right as there was a cutoff date on reservation before the date for free installation. It sounds like rubbish as I can get an ISO and install it my self sometime in the next 10 or so months. Don't worry even you lose your right. You can use Ubuntu and there is no expiry date on it. It is better than windows and your privacy is protected. Windows 10 is designed to spy on people. |
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F Murtz wrote:
Big Al wrote: F Murtz wrote on 8/19/2015 8:50 AM: Why can I get no answer with google to the question,"is there an expiry date on reserving win 10"? To get it free you have almost a year, can I leave reserving till just before cut off date for free offer? I wouldn't use the reserve feature as there may be a time delay between the point of reserve and the time you get it. And you might get it after the date of expire if you cut it too close. Why not just use the Media Creation tool and upgrade on the spot, the day you want it? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 Just pick the 32 or 64 bit version you are running. The question is probably academic as there is still 10 or more months it only came up as someone told me (wrongly I think) that if I did not reserve soon I would lose that right as there was a cutoff date on reservation before the date for free installation. It sounds like rubbish as I can get an ISO and install it my self sometime in the next 10 or so months. Most people don't play games like this. If someone in a group gives you a link, why wouldn't you download a copy anyway ? For example, I have no plan to install Win10 "freebie", and yet I have both the 32 bit and 64 bit DVDs from that download link. And the first time I tried to download them, they were corrupted. Since each download is unique to each customer, you can't even checksum them and verify the download happened correctly. (MSDN subscription DVDs would be perfectly adequate for this purpose, and those *do* have a fixed SHA1 checksum.) I loaded up the (obviously too small) images I downloaded and got complaints they weren't recognized ISO standards. So I had to download them a second time. If you have materials in hand, you can play as many games as you want with GWX. At the end of the one year "free upgrade" interval, it won't matter what media you have in hand. The activation server will stop accepting new activation records on Aug1,2016, making that disc in hand rather useless. If you have a paid CDN $249 key in your hand, the disc could still be used to do an install after Aug2016. That defines the end of the upgrade period. Once an activation record exists on the computer, with a hardware hash of your NIC MAC address, you can do a clean install if you want on Aug2,2016, and it will work. But clean installing after Aug1,2016, will only work, if an activation record already exists. So the task to complete in the one-year offer period, is to install at least once on the computer you want to see running Windows 10. If two years from now, you've erased Windows 10, you have disc in hand, you can re-install Windows 10, and the activation record will still be on the server. But if you never create an activation record before Aug1,2016, then you won't be able to create a fresh one after that date. You cannot "move" your "free" copy of Win10 to other machines, without some mechanism to create an activation record on the Microsoft server. As an example of the complication, if you had Win7 retail, you installed Win10 freebie, then moved Win7 to a second computer. *something* ends up non-genuine. If your intention was to put Win10 on that second computer, you have to properly activate Win7 on the new machine, and stop using Win7 on the old machine. Then, install Win10 via upgrade install method from your DVD, so the activation record exists on the Microsoft server. ******* Note - say you have two machines. A Win8 qualifying machine. And some other machine. I would download from the above windows10 link using the second machine. That's to avoid disturbing the GWX state information on the qualifying machine. The above windows10 link varies in behavior. If you are on a modern OS, it offers you MediaCreationTool.exe, which is a stub tool for doing the download. However, if you connect to Microsoft with a WinXP computer, it offers you the ISO directly, without MediaCreationTool. Are the ISOs logically different ? Who knows... [Checksums are useless, and not included] Win10_English_x64.iso 4,083,853,312 bytes (Canadian version?) Win10_English_x32.iso 3,052,865,536 bytes (Canadian version?) These are my corrupted images. The download method gave no indication of a failure. Woke up in the morning, and this is what I got. Win10_English_x64.iso 2,377,367,224 bytes Win10_English_x32.iso 2,414,927,183 bytes You don't have to install anything until July29,2016, but you would want material in hand. Ideally, you want to boot the media on your computer(s) and verify you have the materials necessary. Say you had a GWX failure on July29,2016 and a sad look on your face... Be prepared. ******* One other observation. Microsoft has mentioned disabling Windows Update to Win10 machines, if they're "out of contact for too long". You're required to upgrade to the latest rolling distro release state. So even if you install and create an activation record, an attempt to clean install five years from now, might give no security patches from Windows Update. The local Windows Update wuauserv activity would likely still waste CPU cycles, but when you get to the WU status page, it would give you some story about being "too far out of date" or whatever. The wiring is like the Matrix - you're on a drip feed. Accept the EULA, here's your drip... I keep a copy of Win10 Insider edition here, which is what I'm using to "share in the fun". I'm going to have to put that disk back in the computer soon, or my WU will be cut off :-) The latest update, someone posted status info yesterday, it's full of bugs, so if I boot the Insider copy right now, that's what I'll be receiving :-) Yum. HTH, Paul |
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Paul wrote on 8/19/2015 12:49 PM:
F Murtz wrote: Big Al wrote: F Murtz wrote on 8/19/2015 8:50 AM: Why can I get no answer with google to the question,"is there an expiry date on reserving win 10"? To get it free you have almost a year, can I leave reserving till just before cut off date for free offer? I wouldn't use the reserve feature as there may be a time delay between the point of reserve and the time you get it. And you might get it after the date of expire if you cut it too close. Why not just use the Media Creation tool and upgrade on the spot, the day you want it? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 Just pick the 32 or 64 bit version you are running. The question is probably academic as there is still 10 or more months it only came up as someone told me (wrongly I think) that if I did not reserve soon I would lose that right as there was a cutoff date on reservation before the date for free installation. It sounds like rubbish as I can get an ISO and install it my self sometime in the next 10 or so months. Most people don't play games like this. If someone in a group gives you a link, why wouldn't you download a copy anyway ? For example, I have no plan to install Win10 "freebie", and yet I have both the 32 bit and 64 bit DVDs from that download link. And the first time I tried to download them, they were corrupted. Since each download is unique to each customer, you can't even checksum them and verify the download happened correctly. (MSDN subscription DVDs would be perfectly adequate for this purpose, and those *do* have a fixed SHA1 checksum.) I loaded up the (obviously too small) images I downloaded and got complaints they weren't recognized ISO standards. So I had to download them a second time. If you have materials in hand, you can play as many games as you want with GWX. At the end of the one year "free upgrade" interval, it won't matter what media you have in hand. The activation server will stop accepting new activation records on Aug1,2016, making that disc in hand rather useless. If you have a paid CDN $249 key in your hand, the disc could still be used to do an install after Aug2016. That defines the end of the upgrade period. Once an activation record exists on the computer, with a hardware hash of your NIC MAC address, you can do a clean install if you want on Aug2,2016, and it will work. But clean installing after Aug1,2016, will only work, if an activation record already exists. So the task to complete in the one-year offer period, is to install at least once on the computer you want to see running Windows 10. If two years from now, you've erased Windows 10, you have disc in hand, you can re-install Windows 10, and the activation record will still be on the server. But if you never create an activation record before Aug1,2016, then you won't be able to create a fresh one after that date. You cannot "move" your "free" copy of Win10 to other machines, without some mechanism to create an activation record on the Microsoft server. As an example of the complication, if you had Win7 retail, you installed Win10 freebie, then moved Win7 to a second computer. *something* ends up non-genuine. If your intention was to put Win10 on that second computer, you have to properly activate Win7 on the new machine, and stop using Win7 on the old machine. Then, install Win10 via upgrade install method from your DVD, so the activation record exists on the Microsoft server. ******* Note - say you have two machines. A Win8 qualifying machine. And some other machine. I would download from the above windows10 link using the second machine. That's to avoid disturbing the GWX state information on the qualifying machine. The above windows10 link varies in behavior. If you are on a modern OS, it offers you MediaCreationTool.exe, which is a stub tool for doing the download. However, if you connect to Microsoft with a WinXP computer, it offers you the ISO directly, without MediaCreationTool. Are the ISOs logically different ? Who knows... [Checksums are useless, and not included] Win10_English_x64.iso 4,083,853,312 bytes (Canadian version?) Win10_English_x32.iso 3,052,865,536 bytes (Canadian version?) These are my corrupted images. The download method gave no indication of a failure. Woke up in the morning, and this is what I got. Win10_English_x64.iso 2,377,367,224 bytes Win10_English_x32.iso 2,414,927,183 bytes You don't have to install anything until July29,2016, but you would want material in hand. Ideally, you want to boot the media on your computer(s) and verify you have the materials necessary. Say you had a GWX failure on July29,2016 and a sad look on your face... Be prepared. ******* One other observation. Microsoft has mentioned disabling Windows Update to Win10 machines, if they're "out of contact for too long". You're required to upgrade to the latest rolling distro release state. So even if you install and create an activation record, an attempt to clean install five years from now, might give no security patches from Windows Update. The local Windows Update wuauserv activity would likely still waste CPU cycles, but when you get to the WU status page, it would give you some story about being "too far out of date" or whatever. The wiring is like the Matrix - you're on a drip feed. Accept the EULA, here's your drip... I keep a copy of Win10 Insider edition here, which is what I'm using to "share in the fun". I'm going to have to put that disk back in the computer soon, or my WU will be cut off :-) The latest update, someone posted status info yesterday, it's full of bugs, so if I boot the Insider copy right now, that's what I'll be receiving :-) Yum. HTH, Paul I just looked at the update page on my win10TP and I see TH2 available but it's not forcing me to install it. 10525 I think? |
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In message , Paul writes
One other observation. Microsoft has mentioned disabling Windows Update to Win10 machines, if they're "out of contact for too long". You're required to upgrade to the latest rolling distro release state. So even if you install and create an activation record, an attempt to clean install five years from now, might give no security patches from Windows Update. The local Windows Update wuauserv activity would likely still waste CPU cycles, but when you get to the WU status page, it would give you some story about being "too far out of date" or whatever. Paul, can you give any reference to this statement, and any guidance as to what "too long" means. This would be an absolute deal breaker for many "creative" users including me, because machines can be tied to particular external hardware and not connected to the internet for long periods - years in many cases here. I haven't seen this stated anywhere before, but I have repeatedly raised the question of, say, 5 year delays between updates and no-one has raised this scenario. -- Bill |
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Bill wrote:
In message , Paul writes One other observation. Microsoft has mentioned disabling Windows Update to Win10 machines, if they're "out of contact for too long". You're required to upgrade to the latest rolling distro release state. So even if you install and create an activation record, an attempt to clean install five years from now, might give no security patches from Windows Update. The local Windows Update wuauserv activity would likely still waste CPU cycles, but when you get to the WU status page, it would give you some story about being "too far out of date" or whatever. Paul, can you give any reference to this statement, and any guidance as to what "too long" means. This would be an absolute deal breaker for many "creative" users including me, because machines can be tied to particular external hardware and not connected to the internet for long periods - years in many cases here. I haven't seen this stated anywhere before, but I have repeatedly raised the question of, say, 5 year delays between updates and no-one has raised this scenario. 1) Your Windows continues to run. I have not seen any statements about "gross disable-ment" of any equipment. 2) It's your Windows Update treatment that changes. If you remain disconnected for months, then some morning you (for reasons unknown) say to yourself "I should really run Windows Update", then the server *may* deliver a message that says your copy of Windows is no longer supported. I have not seen substantive confirmation of the policy, in black and white. Note that Windows 8 has kinda this policy, in that recent security updates cannot be installed, unless you install the "rollup" packages. They're not called Service Packs any more, but there have been several Patch Tuesday rollups, maybe 500MB packages, and they're like a mini-complete-update. It could be, that (2) is a case of you being barred if a rollup is not installed. Now, Win10 also has the practice of not offering Updates for download from a separate web page. How would you get the Rollup ? I think that may be the nature of the problem, the route to which you end up blocked. If you cannot download a Rollup separately from the web site, it would be hard to go "up-to-date". It's not a big deal. Your copy of Windows probably isn't in any worse shape than the special Enterprise version they're making. Some of the Enterprise options are mentioned here. One of the Enterprise versions is so crusty, it has no Edge Browser in it. Because that would be too unstable for long term support. So this is sorta Win10 with training wheels. https://social.technet.microsoft.com...0itprosecurity Enterprise LTSB HTH, Paul |
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In message , Paul writes
Bill wrote: In message , Paul writes One other observation. Microsoft has mentioned disabling Windows Update to Win10 machines, if they're "out of contact for too long". You're required to upgrade to the latest rolling distro release state. So even if you install and create an activation record, an attempt to clean install five years from now, might give no security patches from Windows Update. The local Windows Update wuauserv activity would likely still waste CPU cycles, but when you get to the WU status page, it would give you some story about being "too far out of date" or whatever. Paul, can you give any reference to this statement, and any guidance as to what "too long" means. This would be an absolute deal breaker for many "creative" users including me, because machines can be tied to particular external hardware and not connected to the internet for long periods - years in many cases here. I haven't seen this stated anywhere before, but I have repeatedly raised the question of, say, 5 year delays between updates and no-one has raised this scenario. 1) Your Windows continues to run. I have not seen any statements about "gross disable-ment" of any equipment. 2) It's your Windows Update treatment that changes. If you remain disconnected for months, then some morning you (for reasons unknown) say to yourself "I should really run Windows Update", then the server *may* deliver a message that says your copy of Windows is no longer supported. I have not seen substantive confirmation of the policy, in black and white. Note that Windows 8 has kinda this policy, in that recent security updates cannot be installed, unless you install the "rollup" packages. They're not called Service Packs any more, but there have been several Patch Tuesday rollups, maybe 500MB packages, and they're like a mini-complete-update. It could be, that (2) is a case of you being barred if a rollup is not installed. Now, Win10 also has the practice of not offering Updates for download from a separate web page. How would you get the Rollup ? I think that may be the nature of the problem, the route to which you end up blocked. If you cannot download a Rollup separately from the web site, it would be hard to go "up-to-date". It's not a big deal. Your copy of Windows probably isn't in any worse shape than the special Enterprise version they're making. Some of the Enterprise options are mentioned here. One of the Enterprise versions is so crusty, it has no Edge Browser in it. Because that would be too unstable for long term support. So this is sorta Win10 with training wheels. https://social.technet.microsoft.com...-67dc-4b2f-ac3 6-2e07d6fc29ec/windows-10-enterprise-ltsb-cant-choose-whether-to-downloa d-or-install-windows-updates?forum=win10itprosecurity Enterprise LTSB HTH, It does help, especially the Technet reference , but it doesn't make what I should suggest that my friends should do any clearer. I had advised one of them to stick with W7, but yesterday I ended up Teamviewering into 2 of his machines to rescue W10. It's also not months but years that a machine may sit there unused. A machine here in the chain I use for archiving old audio sessions runs Vista 64-bit and hasn't been switched on for over 2 years. Any day now I might have some down time and get the urge to do another batch on it, and my normal procedure has been to fire up, go online to update and then do the work. I suppose not updating, and possibly becoming unsupported, won't make much difference here. It would make a difference with the old laptops I've been doing up for friends and family. Where possible I've been taking them back to factory setup, cleaning all the unused HD space and then letting them update. That's what I'm not sure will be possible with W10. -- Bill |
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It would make a difference with the old laptops I've been doing up for friends and family. Where possible I've been taking them back to factory setup, cleaning all the unused HD space and then letting them update. That's what I'm not sure will be possible with W10. Now, that's a good question. How will they handle that ? It implies the availability of updated media (new ISO files), so new copies of a rolling release can be installed. And we know Microsoft *hates* that method. But there is a precedent for it. For the Win7 SP1 disc, the disc was reissued, and there was a refresh version offered later on. I don't think the changes were significant - it's not like it had 200 Windows Update files on it or anything. Just some minor change of some sort. But it did change the product SKU used to index the media on web pages. Paul |
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Paul wrote on 08/20/2015 11:06 AM:
Bill wrote: It would make a difference with the old laptops I've been doing up for friends and family. Where possible I've been taking them back to factory setup, cleaning all the unused HD space and then letting them update. That's what I'm not sure will be possible with W10. Now, that's a good question. How will they handle that ? It implies the availability of updated media (new ISO files), so new copies of a rolling release can be installed. And we know Microsoft *hates* that method. But there is a precedent for it. For the Win7 SP1 disc, the disc was reissued, and there was a refresh version offered later on. I don't think the changes were significant - it's not like it had 200 Windows Update files on it or anything. Just some minor change of some sort. But it did change the product SKU used to index the media on web pages. Paul Precedent may prove correct in the future...but the one year free upgrade offer may inhibit making changes if the volume of the existing systems (across languages, architectures, and editions) telemetry indicates successful upgrades during the one-year-free-window. The approach could very well be to leave the media update level as is and address any necessary updates during the install, setup, and first use. -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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