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Old August 26th 17, 02:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Start Menu 8 or Start10?

My mother's new computer came with Windows 10 Home. She was using
Windows 7 Home Premium on her old laptop and to make the transition a
bit easer I want to install either Start Menu 8 or Start10. Has anybody
tried these programs? Which do you prefer and is there a Dutch
translation available?

Start Menu 8 (free)
http://www.iobit.com/en/iobitstartmenu8.php

Start10 ($4.99)
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/

(I'm aware there's also Classic Shell. I'm not interested in Classic
Shell.)

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Old August 26th 17, 02:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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s|b wrote:

She was using Windows 7 Home Premium on her old laptop and to make
the transition a bit easer I want to install either Start Menu 8 or
Start10. Has anybody tried these programs?

I haven't used the iobit or classic shell, but with Win8 I did use
Start8 and it worked very well, now with Win10 I feel the inbuilt menu
is /just/ enough for my needs, so I no longer use Start8/Start10

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Old August 26th 17, 03:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 15:14:15 +0200, "s|b" wrote:

My mother's new computer came with Windows 10 Home. She was using
Windows 7 Home Premium on her old laptop and to make the transition a
bit easer I want to install either Start Menu 8 or Start10. Has anybody
tried these programs? Which do you prefer and is there a Dutch
translation available?

Start Menu 8 (free)
http://www.iobit.com/en/iobitstartmenu8.php

Start10 ($4.99)
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/

(I'm aware there's also Classic Shell. I'm not interested in Classic
Shell.)



I don't know Start Menu 8, but I used Start8 and liked it a lot. I now
use Start10 and like it even more.

Why are you not interested in Classic Shell? I prefer Start8/Start10,
but Classic Shell is good too.

Why not try all of the these (Start10 comes with a 30 day free trial)
and decide for yourself which one you like the best.

I don't know whether any of these have Dutch translations.
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Old August 26th 17, 04:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Start Menu 8 or Start10?

On 8/26/2017 10:59 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 15:14:15 +0200, "s|b" wrote:

My mother's new computer came with Windows 10 Home. She was using
Windows 7 Home Premium on her old laptop and to make the transition a
bit easer I want to install either Start Menu 8 or Start10. Has anybody
tried these programs? Which do you prefer and is there a Dutch
translation available?

Start Menu 8 (free)
http://www.iobit.com/en/iobitstartmenu8.php

Start10 ($4.99)
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/

(I'm aware there's also Classic Shell. I'm not interested in Classic
Shell.)



I don't know Start Menu 8, but I used Start8 and liked it a lot. I now
use Start10 and like it even more.

Why are you not interested in Classic Shell? I prefer Start8/Start10,
but Classic Shell is good too.

Why not try all of the these (Start10 comes with a 30 day free trial)
and decide for yourself which one you like the best.

I don't know whether any of these have Dutch translations.

This changes the question slightly but is applicable to the question.

I am an long time user of Windows starting with Windows 98. I fought
Windows 10, but finally acknowledged its existence, and made the change.

My experience is that once I learned a couple of basic I actually found
the native Window 10 start menu easier to use that the old floating
menus in those version prior to 8. (I think the floating menu was one of
the dumbest ideas ever coming out of Microsoft)

Basics:
Start Menu can be accessed from the MS Icon in the corner of the desktop

All programs can be accessed from the Apps icon in the upper corner of
the Start Menu.

The idea of pinning icons to the taskbar, and start menu.

The idea of Jumplist is one of the best ideas MS has ever come up with.

And finally all Computer functions are available in two places. First
right clicking on the MS Icon in the lower left corner of the Desktop.
and two from the Comments icon on the lower right of the desktop.

If she needs something new, right click on the MS icon, type the item
need and select it from the results.

Advantage is that you don't have to fuss with compatibility problem
caused by third party programs to that change the basic operation of the
system.

In my opinion it can not get easier for a person who is more interested
in using spreadsheets, wordprocesser, browsers, email program, or their
specialized program. If she is a person interested in learning the ins
and outs of the OS go for the third party Start program.


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Old August 26th 17, 05:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Start Menu 8 or Start10?

s|b wrote:

My mother's new computer came with Windows 10 Home. She was using
Windows 7 Home Premium on her old laptop and to make the transition a
bit easer I want to install either Start Menu 8 or Start10. Has anybody
tried these programs? Which do you prefer and is there a Dutch
translation available?

Start Menu 8 (free)
http://www.iobit.com/en/iobitstartmenu8.php

Start10 ($4.99)
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/

(I'm aware there's also Classic Shell. I'm not interested in Classic
Shell.)


Why don't you show your mother some videos on each choice (not just your
choices but all choices) at YouTube and let *her* decide which one she
likes best?
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Old August 26th 17, 06:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"s|b" wrote in message
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My mother's new computer came with Windows 10 Home. She was using
Windows 7 Home Premium on her old laptop and to make the transition a
bit easer I want to install either Start Menu 8 or Start10. Has anybody
tried these programs? Which do you prefer and is there a Dutch
translation available?

Start Menu 8 (free)
http://www.iobit.com/en/iobitstartmenu8.php

Start10 ($4.99)
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/

(I'm aware there's also Classic Shell. I'm not interested in Classic
Shell.)


What's wrong with Classic Shell - or what does it not do that Start 8/10 do?

I've found Classic Shell to be fine. Occasionally it gets turned off by a
Windows update, but it's easy enough to reinstall it when that happens. Are
Start 8/10 more resilient to being disabled by Windows updates?

Anything is better than the "mess of tiles" of the Windows 8 start menu. The
whole point of icons is that they should be easily distinguishable from each
other and that you should be able to pin them to specific parts of the
desktop so you can go straight to the correct icon by screen position as
much as by icon picture. The Mess of Tiles has icons which are not
sufficiently distinctive and icons which change place on the menu (maybe
depending on which apps you use more frequently).

The idea of pinning icons to the taskbar is one I find counter-intuitive: I
prefer to have two distinct places on the taskbar: one a set of links to
applications that I might want to run, and the other a list of the
applications that are actually running. Combining the two, with only an
underline distinguishing running from potentially-running applications, is
too confusing.

The problem with Windows 8 and 10 is not that they added the new features
like the "mess of tiles" and the combined taskbar, but that they *removed*
the older legacy features. I'm one of those people who believes in "get it
right first time so you NEVER have to change radically - evolution, rather
than revolution".

Classic Shell (and no doubt Start 8/10) restore the user *choice* as to
which UI is used.

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Old August 26th 17, 06:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 08/26/2017 09:40 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
s|b wrote:

She was using Windows 7 Home Premium on her old laptop and to make
the transition a bit easer I want to install either Start Menu 8 or
Start10. Has anybody tried these programs?

I haven't used the iobit or classic shell, but with Win8 I did use
Start8 and it worked very well, now with Win10 I feel the inbuilt menu
is /just/ enough for my needs, so I no longer use Start8/Start10

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Old August 26th 17, 06:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Al[_7_]
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Default Start Menu 8 or Start10?

On 08/26/2017 09:14 AM, s|b wrote:
My mother's new computer came with Windows 10 Home. She was using
Windows 7 Home Premium on her old laptop and to make the transition a
bit easer I want to install either Start Menu 8 or Start10. Has anybody
tried these programs? Which do you prefer and is there a Dutch
translation available?

Start Menu 8 (free)
http://www.iobit.com/en/iobitstartmenu8.php

Start10 ($4.99)
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/

(I'm aware there's also Classic Shell. I'm not interested in Classic
Shell.)

The only issue with 3rd party is they change the function or obscure the
basic menu function of windows. So if she does any google on her own,
the instructions on how to do something in win10 will/may not line up
right. Cortana even might give wrong directions. It's an unsure risk
but there anyway.

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Old August 26th 17, 06:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Big Al wrote:

s|b wrote:

My mother's new computer came with Windows 10 Home. She was using
Windows 7 Home Premium on her old laptop and to make the transition a
bit easer I want to install either Start Menu 8 or Start10. Has anybody
tried these programs? Which do you prefer and is there a Dutch
translation available?

Start Menu 8 (free)
http://www.iobit.com/en/iobitstartmenu8.php

Start10 ($4.99)
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/

(I'm aware there's also Classic Shell. I'm not interested in Classic
Shell.)


The only issue with 3rd party is they change the function or obscure the
basic menu function of windows. So if she does any google on her own,
the instructions on how to do something in win10 will/may not line up
right. Cortana even might give wrong directions. It's an unsure risk
but there anyway.


There is also the presumption that the user will never use any other
Windows 10 computer. They will only use the one that has been modified
with a shell substitute. When they try to use another Windows 10
computer (their friend's, resort's, library's, Internet cafe's, etc),
they won't be familiarized to the new Windows 10 GUI.

If the user ONLY uses THEIR own Windows 10 computers then a shell
substitute to retain familiarity with the old way is okay. If they ever
use a different Windows 10 computer, they'll be lost like a newbie all
over again.
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Old August 26th 17, 07:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 8/26/2017 12:46 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Big Al wrote:

s|b wrote:

My mother's new computer came with Windows 10 Home. She was using
Windows 7 Home Premium on her old laptop and to make the transition a
bit easer I want to install either Start Menu 8 or Start10. Has anybody
tried these programs? Which do you prefer and is there a Dutch
translation available?

Start Menu 8 (free)
http://www.iobit.com/en/iobitstartmenu8.php

Start10 ($4.99)
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/

(I'm aware there's also Classic Shell. I'm not interested in Classic
Shell.)


The only issue with 3rd party is they change the function or obscure the
basic menu function of windows. So if she does any google on her own,
the instructions on how to do something in win10 will/may not line up
right. Cortana even might give wrong directions. It's an unsure risk
but there anyway.


There is also the presumption that the user will never use any other
Windows 10 computer. They will only use the one that has been modified
with a shell substitute. When they try to use another Windows 10
computer (their friend's, resort's, library's, Internet cafe's, etc),
they won't be familiarized to the new Windows 10 GUI.

If the user ONLY uses THEIR own Windows 10 computers then a shell
substitute to retain familiarity with the old way is okay. If they ever
use a different Windows 10 computer, they'll be lost like a newbie all
over again.



When I first updated to Win 10 it took A few days to acclimate to it,
now that I am used to it I find it works just fine and I no longer need
Classic shell.

Rene
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Old August 26th 17, 07:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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s|b wrote:
My mother's new computer came with Windows 10 Home. She was using
Windows 7 Home Premium on her old laptop and to make the transition a
bit easer I want to install either Start Menu 8 or Start10. Has anybody
tried these programs? Which do you prefer and is there a Dutch
translation available?

Start Menu 8 (free)
http://www.iobit.com/en/iobitstartmenu8.php

Start10 ($4.99)
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/

(I'm aware there's also Classic Shell. I'm not interested in Classic
Shell.)


What incentive is there to customize a Win10 computer ?

Win10 is a rolling release and will make extra work for
you if you customize it.

Just leave lots of program icons on the desktop, and
then there is little reason to use the left-click menu.

And the right-click start menu is OK to use.

Pin the Control Panel icon to the Task Bar (control.exe starts it).

You can do a few things like that, to negate the poor main-menu design.

Paul
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Old August 26th 17, 07:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 12:46:14 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Big Al wrote:

s|b wrote:

My mother's new computer came with Windows 10 Home. She was using
Windows 7 Home Premium on her old laptop and to make the transition a
bit easer I want to install either Start Menu 8 or Start10. Has anybody
tried these programs? Which do you prefer and is there a Dutch
translation available?

Start Menu 8 (free)
http://www.iobit.com/en/iobitstartmenu8.php

Start10 ($4.99)
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/

(I'm aware there's also Classic Shell. I'm not interested in Classic
Shell.)


The only issue with 3rd party is they change the function or obscure the
basic menu function of windows. So if she does any google on her own,
the instructions on how to do something in win10 will/may not line up
right. Cortana even might give wrong directions. It's an unsure risk
but there anyway.



I use Start10, and although as Big Al says there may be a slight
unsure risk, it's a very small risk. I don't remember ever running
into such a problem.


There is also the presumption that the user will never use any other
Windows 10 computer. They will only use the one that has been modified
with a shell substitute. When they try to use another Windows 10
computer (their friend's, resort's, library's, Internet cafe's, etc),
they won't be familiarized to the new Windows 10 GUI.

If the user ONLY uses THEIR own Windows 10 computers then a shell
substitute to retain familiarity with the old way is okay. If they ever
use a different Windows 10 computer, they'll be lost like a newbie all
over again.



Your point is a good one, but the statement "If they ever use a
different Windows 10 computer, they'll be lost like a newbie all
over again" is a large exaggeration. I use Start10 on my computer and
like it very much. I seldom use a different Windows 10 computer, but
when I do, yes, there are many things that are fairly new to me; but
I'm *far* from being lost like a newbie all over again; most things
remain the same, and I learn to deal with the differences very
quickly.

And note that the opposite of what you say is also true: if I use a
Windows 7 computer, the UI is much like I am used to running Start10
under Windows 10. If a Windows10 user who does not use Start10 or one
of the others uses a Windows 7 computer, *he* is the one who is closer
to being lost like a newbie all over again.

Similarly, using a different computer can be a big problem regardless
of any differences in the operating system version or the shell. A
difference in applications can also be a big problem, If you're used
to using FireFox or Chrome, Edge can be a problem, and vice versa. If
you're used to using Microsoft Word, WordPerfect can be a problem, and
vice-versa. If you're used to using the built-in Windows 10 mail
program, Thunderbird can be a problem, and vice versa. And so on.

And a slight digression from the topic of this thread: a number of
years ago I was in France and used a computer in an Internet Point.
Talk about being lost like a newbie! It was very difficult using a
French keyboard. I'm a very poor typist and make a lot of errors on
American keyboards, but I made a lot more on the French one.
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Old August 26th 17, 07:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 08/26/2017 02:11 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 8/26/2017 12:46 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Big Al wrote:

s|b wrote:

My mother's new computer came with Windows 10 Home. She was using
Windows 7 Home Premium on her old laptop and to make the transition a
bit easer I want to install either Start Menu 8 or Start10. Has anybody
tried these programs? Which do you prefer and is there a Dutch
translation available?

Start Menu 8 (free)
http://www.iobit.com/en/iobitstartmenu8.php

Start10 ($4.99)
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/

(I'm aware there's also Classic Shell. I'm not interested in Classic
Shell.)

The only issue with 3rd party is they change the function or obscure the
basic menu function of windows. So if she does any google on her own,
the instructions on how to do something in win10 will/may not line up
right. Cortana even might give wrong directions. It's an unsure risk
but there anyway.


There is also the presumption that the user will never use any other
Windows 10 computer. They will only use the one that has been modified
with a shell substitute. When they try to use another Windows 10
computer (their friend's, resort's, library's, Internet cafe's, etc),
they won't be familiarized to the new Windows 10 GUI.

If the user ONLY uses THEIR own Windows 10 computers then a shell
substitute to retain familiarity with the old way is okay. If they ever
use a different Windows 10 computer, they'll be lost like a newbie all
over again.



When I first updated to Win 10 it took A few days to acclimate to it,
now that I am used to it I find it works just fine and I no longer need
Classic shell.

Rene

I find it better to pin programs to the menu rather than the desktop. I
have some rather good pictures I slideshow and I like seeing them.
Recent trips / grandchildren etc.

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Old August 26th 17, 08:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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There is also the presumption that the user will never use any other
Windows 10 computer. They will only use the one that has been modified
with a shell substitute. When they try to use another Windows 10
computer (their friend's, resort's, library's, Internet cafe's, etc),
they won't be familiarized to the new Windows 10 GUI.

If the user ONLY uses THEIR own Windows 10 computers then a shell
substitute to retain familiarity with the old way is okay. If they ever
use a different Windows 10 computer, they'll be lost like a newbie all
over again.


To my mind, that is a bloody good reason for Microsoft not radically
changing the standard that they set with Win 95 - add to it, tweak it, but
keep it essentially the same.

Change what is under the hood/bonnet but keep the user controls as similar
as possible. In an ideal world, a person who has only ever used Win 95
should be able to use a Win XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10 PC without finding anything
that is fundamentally changed.

I have got used to most of the changes between "old Windows" (95, 98, Me,
2000, XP, 7) and "new Windows" (8, 10), but the one thing that I cannot do
without is a proper start menu including Control Panel. I would regard
Classic Shell (or equivalents) as the essential thing that I would install
first on any new PC to make Windows usable.

People say "you'll soon get used to the changes" to which I say "if MS had
done their job properly, there wouldn't be anything that I *needed* to get
used to".

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Old August 26th 17, 08:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Big Al" wrote in message
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I find it better to pin programs to the menu rather than the desktop.


I have *far* more programs that I use frequently to be able to pin them all
to the start menu and be able to find them without scrolling or searching.
Having a large 1920x1080 screen means that there's plenty of room to lay out
icons while still being able to "read" each icon with sensible resolution.
Once I've laid out my desktop, I save a screenprint of it in case Windows
decides to mess it up, which is has done a few times - at least I've got a
specimen that I can use to drag the icons back to where I expect them to be.

 




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