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Dell 780 Problem:
Another unrelated problem cropped up on the
8500. My flash Player no longer works although it did this morning. The only thing I did was update the computers. I tried to Update the Flash Player(under Programs) but it shows I have the current version. Nevertheless the download failed 3 times. Could you please give me a link that will work? Thanks, Robert |
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Dell 780 Problem:
Well this is weird,. now it's back working no sooner
than after I finished my previous message but before it wasn't. Robert |
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Dell 780 Problem:
Well now my Flash Player is messed up again, so it
looks as if I'll need a good link to flash player. Since my efforts failed. As far as the 780 all seems good with the exception of having to click F1 on 3 and 4. So should I insert both DIMMS again? Thanks, Robert |
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Dell 780 Problem:
Mark Twain wrote:
Well now my Flash Player is messed up again, so it looks as if I'll need a good link to flash player. Since my efforts failed. As far as the 780 all seems good with the exception of having to click F1 on 3 and 4. So should I insert both DIMMS again? Thanks, Robert You should verify the DIMMs one at a time on the 780. You'll also need to use your recollection of how much RAM it was reporting before this happened. Were both DIMMs operational at some time ? Or has that one been sitting on an angle for a while ? For example, say the DIMMs were 2x1GB. Were you seeing 1GB reported in Task Manager ? Or was 2GB reported from the day you took delivery of the 780 ? If you've been operating the machine without the benefit of that second DIMM, maybe you don't need it. If you do need it, and the second DIMM tests bad, then you could buy another. You can "use the slots that don't complain" if you want, or find the entry in the 780 manual that explains how to reprogram that feature so the other slots are honored. ******* Flash is currently at 27.0.0.187 http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/about/ Here is a set of links I posted a year ago. Substitute the 27.0.0.187 number in the field where it says 23.0.0.207. Netscape, Seamonkey, Firefox (npapi-type browsers...) http://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flas...ash_player.exe Older versions of Internet Explorer which don't have built-in flash http://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flas..._player_ax.exe An uninstaller (if it was really broken or something) http://download.macromedia.com/get/f...ash_player.exe Test page, so you can check the version number on it. http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ So that means, you want this one right now for Firefox. It downloaded. http://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flas...ash_player.exe When you download one of those, if you plan to keep it, you should modify the filename so you can remember what it's for. "install_flash_player__27_0_0_187_npapi.exe" For SRWare Iron (a defunct Chrome-a-like for WinXP), you'd need PepperFlash (ppapi) plugin. https://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/fla...ayer_ppapi.exe In the table here, when it says "embedded", that means the browser should download it (somehow) on its own. So Chrome takes care of itself, while Chromium requires the user to do the manual ppapi download. On embedded browsers, the delivery of the plugin isn't always uniformly fast, and sometimes an update can be a day late on those. It all depends on which way the wind is blowing at the time. http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/about/ HTH, Paul |
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Dell 780 Problem:
I have verified both DIMMs function one at a
time and I have verified that all slots work although I had to press F1 for number 3 and 4 slots first before the desktop screen appeared. So that all should be functional. The flash player is working again, and I saved the files as you suggested.. thanks. Here are the specs for the 780 as I bought it. https://www.staples.com/DELL-780-Tow...roduct_1498887 Robert |
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Dell 780 Problem:
Mark Twain wrote:
I have verified both DIMMs function one at a time and I have verified that all slots work although I had to press F1 for number 3 and 4 slots first before the desktop screen appeared. So that all should be functional. The flash player is working again, and I saved the files as you suggested.. thanks. Here are the specs for the 780 as I bought it. https://www.staples.com/DELL-780-Tow...roduct_1498887 Robert It's a Q45 Northbridge. The memory type is a function of the sockets soldered to the motherboard. The chipset would support 4x2GB DDR2 memory or 4x4GB DDR3 memory. Since your machine shipped with 4GB total. then the DIMMs should have been 2x2GB in dual channel mode. They could go in the pair of black slots, or they could go in the pair of white slots. Those are the easiest options to understand. The chipset is new enough, it probably supports Flex Memory, and in fact you could have dual channel with one white slot and one black slot. But the reason they color the slots, is to help recognize the "pairs" for easiest installation. Matched sticks in pairs in same-colored slots, operate in dual channel mode for sure. But if some slots were damaged, it might still be possible to get dual channel operation with "mis-colored" slots. And that's because the Flex Memory is... flexible. There was a time when the pairing scheme was more rigid and unbending. Some AMD designs were like that, and the fill order was kinda fixed on them (only one fill order of merit). AMD has fixed that on their stuff too now, and it's practically anything-goes like on Intel. But the older the hardware is, the greater the chance for rigid fill rules (lazy engineers). Paul |
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Dell 780 Problem:
That's correct with the black and white slots. I
was kind of wondering about the different colors when I opened it up. So having tested all the slots and both DIMMS do you feel it's safe to put them both back in ? In passing, I also did system updates during this time. Thanks, Robert |
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Dell 780 Problem:
Mark Twain wrote:
That's correct with the black and white slots. I was kind of wondering about the different colors when I opened it up. So having tested all the slots and both DIMMS do you feel it's safe to put them both back in ? In passing, I also did system updates during this time. Thanks, Robert If both DIMMs work tested individually, then you can try for dual channel mode and plug both in. ******* You can also use a memory test program, to test that all the bits in the memory are good. For example, half way down this page, are floppy based and ISO (CD) based, compressed packages for memory test. On the floppy one, you run "install.bat" on a 32-bit machine or "install64.bat" on a 64-bit machine, and it erases/formats/writes a floppy containing a memory test program. (The other contents of the floppy are removed!) Running the test program for one pass (there's a counter) says the RAM is good. There shouldn't be any error message printed on the screen. Pressing esc exits the test program and then you can reboot into Windows. It can take up to a couple hours to test a machine-load of RAM. http://www.memtest.org/ And you boot that floppy, once you make it. Once prepared, the files on the floppy cannot be listed. The "install.bat" writes them in an invisible mode. But rest assured, the floppy will boot, even though there is nothing obvious on the floppy. I have a couple of those floppy diskettes next to me, that I use for memory testing. In a sense, the contents of the floppy are their own OS - it's simply a program that takes control of the entire computer. Paul |
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Dell 780 Problem:
The Mem test sounds iffy,. am I making a bootable CD?
If so, I don't have any CD's left. Also there are so many Mem tests how am I to know which one? https://s17.postimg.org/62zp32mbj/Mem_test.jpg In passing, have you noticed FF has changed with black tabs? I know it doesn't make sense but it seems the 8500 is a tad slower since. Robert |
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Dell 780 Problem:
Mark Twain wrote:
The Mem test sounds iffy,. am I making a bootable CD? If so, I don't have any CD's left. Also there are so many Mem tests how am I to know which one? https://s17.postimg.org/62zp32mbj/Mem_test.jpg In passing, have you noticed FF has changed with black tabs? I know it doesn't make sense but it seems the 8500 is a tad slower since. Robert If you have a floppy drive and at least one blank floppy diskette, memtest fits quite nicely on it. Some users complain if I mention "floppy", because they don't have one, or "it's too archaic". Most of the capacity of a CD would be wasted. But, it's convenient if you have discs handy. I use floppies for my copies, and for the machine that doesn't have a floppy drive cable, I use a USB floppy drive instead (an external device). So I don't have a problem with floppies. Once the boot process is complete and the screen is 640x480, you can pop the floppy out. ** Memtest86+ V5.01 (27/09/2013)** Download - Pre-Compiled package for Floppy (DOS - Win) ******* You might have Firefox 57, since WinXP stops at Firefox 53, and lucky Windows 7 users get to continue receiving updates. Firefox 57 is called "Quantum" for some reason, and it is a multi-process version. If you look in Task Manager, you might see four instances of the word "Firefox" in there. That's not supposed to slow the machine down. You might use Task Manager to see if anything in the machine is mis-behaving (using a lot of CPU). Firefox will use something like 20% more memory than the previous version. The new Firefox is modeled after Google Chrome, and that's why it has four processes running minimum. Because Chrome does the same thing. Firefox already used a Container concept for the Flash plugin (plugincontainer.exe?), so that if Flash crashed, the browser remained running. The multiple processes could be used for Process Isolation, but I suspect that's not really all that practical when the processes also have to talk to one another. There's still a possibility the set of processes could freeze or deadlock, depending on what flaky thing happens. You can turn off that new feature if you want. In the URL bar, enter "about:config". In my copy of Firefox 57, I can see browser.tabs.remote.autostart False browser.tabs.remote.autostart.2 True --- change to False, to make Firefox run a single process You can double-click the entry in the table, to "flip" the state of a boolean variable like that one. Once that's done, the next time you start Firefox, it should behave a little more like the old version. But the ugly icons (you know, the issue with the folder icons in bookmarks), those icons are now there to stay. The only way to revert the appearance of the browser, quickly, is to use an older version. It's not clear to me whether any "themes" are available as WebExtensions or not, to go back to the old icons. And by all means, use the Task Manager to survey the state of the machine, when it feels "a little slow". There might be a reason - something that needs to be fixed. It might not be Firefox at all. Paul |
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Dell 780 Problem:
Well the problem is that I used all my CD's to
make backups etc when we redid the 8500 from scratch. I used all that I had. So I would have to buy more just to test the DIMMS and for no other purpose. I would have to wait until next week before I could buy any. So do I or do I not put in both DIMMS? I'm not up on monitoring the Task Manager so I wouldn't even know what to look for even if it is slow, but it did show (4) Firefox entries,.. I took a screenshot of my Task Manager but TinyPic and Post Image aren't working for me. I've never used Google Chrome but I believe your the one who told me it wasn't all that hot. So now FF is mirroring Chrome? I wish these programmers would leave well enough alone. I don't feel comfortable making any changes,.. so I'll leave it as is but I'm not happy they keep changing FF. I wonder if I should go back to Explorer? Robert Robert |
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Dell 780 Problem:
Mark Twain wrote:
Well the problem is that I used all my CD's to make backups etc when we redid the 8500 from scratch. I used all that I had. So I would have to buy more just to test the DIMMS and for no other purpose. I would have to wait until next week before I could buy any. So do I or do I not put in both DIMMS? I'm not up on monitoring the Task Manager so I wouldn't even know what to look for even if it is slow, but it did show (4) Firefox entries,.. I took a screenshot of my Task Manager but TinyPic and Post Image aren't working for me. I've never used Google Chrome but I believe your the one who told me it wasn't all that hot. So now FF is mirroring Chrome? I wish these programmers would leave well enough alone. I don't feel comfortable making any changes,.. so I'll leave it as is but I'm not happy they keep changing FF. I wonder if I should go back to Explorer? Robert Robert The memtest.org page also has an option to prepare a bootable USB stick. That's if you don't have a floppy to use. I find the floppy is the best for me, as the executable is small enough, other kinds of media are a waste. http://memtest.org/ ** Memtest86+ V5.01 (27/09/2013)** Download - Auto-installer for USB Key (Win 9x/2k/xp/7) *NEW!* ******* From the Readme file in the installer "Memtest86+ USB Installer is a script that uses NSIS to automate the creation of a bootable Memtest86+ USB Flash Drive. Memtest86+ can be used to test your system memory for errors." But to use the USB stick, you have to know how to get the machine to boot from a USB stick. The popup boot menu can do that. The key to using the USB stick, is knowing which key to press at power on, to get the popup boot menu to appear. It will list all the storage devices, including the USB stick you have plugged into the computer. You select the USB stick from the menu, and then memtest86+ should run soon after. And in this case, I think when the USB stick is listed in File Explorer, it will have files. It was the floppy boot method, where the contents of the floppy were not visible in Windows. Some of the other methods, use actual file systems to hold the materials. ******* You can use any browser you want. I prefer to not have the one or two Google Updater processes running on my machine, while Google programs are present. Chrome also has its share of exploits - and the reason for this, is it's the dominant browser numerically. There are more copies of Chrome than anything else. The "bad guys" consequently, have to focus all their tricks on Chrome, where they can make the most money. It's sorta like buying fly paper, and noticing it's hard to keep the paper clean :-) Paul |
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Dell 780 Problem:
OK,. I guess I'll have to order some CD's.
Robert |
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Dell 780 Problem:
In message , Mark
Twain writes: OK,. I guess I'll have to order some CD's. Robert Or salvage a floppy (-: -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf _____ ___ |[]|_n_n_I_c |___||__|###|____) O-O--O-O+++--O-O |
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Dell 780 Problem:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mark Twain writes: OK,. I guess I'll have to order some CD's. Robert Or salvage a floppy (-: He might have a USB card read in the floppy slot. So no floppy. USB keys are more expensive than a CD or a floppy, but you get to reuse them. You have to figure out how to get them to boot of course. On my really old computers, I can't boot from a USB key, so that wouldn't be an option. On my year 1999 computer P2B-S), I'd be using floppy or CD. But on newer machines, the USB stick is a viable option. And both his machines, generationally, are new enough. Apparently, some BIOS hide a setting in the Setup Screen to turn on popup boot. The magic key can be turned off. Imagine how annoying that would be. That BIOS screen also tells you what key to press. https://www.eightforums.com/attachme...enshot_306.jpg ( https://www.eightforums.com/installa...t-usb-key.html ) Paul |
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