Closing WIndows 8.1 Programs

I posted here a couple of months ago, about closing Windows 8.1
programs, and received a lot of good replies. However the problem still
exist

Have tried Cntrl F4, (There was another key combination recommended that
I tried but did not shut a Windows 8.1 program down reliably.)

Dragging to the bottom of the screen
Dragging to the bottom of the screen and waiting until the icon rotates.

In the Windows 8.1 there appears to be no option to Exit

While I know you can close programs in the Task Manager, It is more
drastic than clicking the X in the upper right corner of the window.
Additionally I don't like the idea of having to go that deep into the
operating system to do a simple task. There are too many things in the
Task Manager to use it for such a simple routine operation.

Is there any way to close Window 8.1 programs?
I hate to have to have the This program is open screen every time I shut
the computer down.

Keith Nuttle wrote:

I posted here a couple of months ago, about closing Windows 8.1
programs, and received a lot of good replies. However the problem still
exist


You don't. It works like smartphones. If it won't close by dragging
down, the taskman is the only way.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w.../how-close-app


--

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben Franklin

Keith Nuttle wrote, On 12/27/2013 8:56 AM:
I posted here a couple of months ago, about closing Windows 8.1
programs, and received a lot of good replies. However the problem still
exist

Have tried Cntrl F4, (There was another key combination recommended that
I tried but did not shut a Windows 8.1 program down reliably.)

Dragging to the bottom of the screen
Dragging to the bottom of the screen and waiting until the icon rotates.

In the Windows 8.1 there appears to be no option to Exit

While I know you can close programs in the Task Manager, It is more
drastic than clicking the X in the upper right corner of the window.
Additionally I don't like the idea of having to go that deep into the
operating system to do a simple task. There are too many things in the
Task Manager to use it for such a simple routine operation.

Is there any way to close Window 8.1 programs?
I hate to have to have the This program is open screen every time I shut
the computer down.

Dragging/Swiping to the bottom of the screen and waiting for the icon to
change is the only 'soft' route. After a period of inactivity the task
process for the program will be turned off. Task Manager is the 'hard'
route forcing the process to abort.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 12:08:23 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

You don't. It works like smartphones. If it won't close by dragging
down, the taskman is the only way.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w.../how-close-app

Which just says the hidden running programs won't slow your PC down, but
doesn't mention other side effects (heat, memory usage etc) that
presumably still occur.

I also think that 8.1 needs to address the slight weirdness of Wacom-based
tablet screens which, here at least, don't work 100% with swipe off/corner
etc functions.

On 1/1/2014 5:59 AM, Bill wrote:
I also think that 8.1 needs to address the slight weirdness of Wacom-based
tablet screens which, here at least, don't work 100% with swipe off/corner
etc functions.

Oh really? Is the problem still there with Windows 8.0? As I have one
Wacom tablet that runs 8.0 and I haven't noticed it really. But I
usually don't fire that one up to often. Although I should use it far
more than I do now.

Also all of my Wacom tablets doesn't respond to touch, just pen (which
is great most of the time since you can rest your palm and fingers on
the screen). Does newer Wacom tablets respond to touch yet?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

On 1/1/2014 6:26 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 1/1/2014 5:59 AM, Bill wrote:
I also think that 8.1 needs to address the slight weirdness of
Wacom-based
tablet screens which, here at least, don't work 100% with swipe
off/corner
etc functions.

Oh really? Is the problem still there with Windows 8.0? As I have one
Wacom tablet that runs 8.0 and I haven't noticed it really. But I
usually don't fire that one up to often. Although I should use it far
more than I do now.

Also all of my Wacom tablets doesn't respond to touch, just pen (which
is great most of the time since you can rest your palm and fingers on
the screen). Does newer Wacom tablets respond to touch yet?

Also to note, those Motion Computing LE1700 are the only Windows tablets
with the largest screen size I know of. Careful as the large screen was
optional and so was the Core Duo! And the screen resolution is
1400x1050. If anybody knows of any tablet (Windows or other), I sure
would like to know about it. TIA

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

On 1/1/2014 10:58 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 1/1/2014 6:26 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 1/1/2014 5:59 AM, Bill wrote:
I also think that 8.1 needs to address the slight weirdness of
Wacom-based
tablet screens which, here at least, don't work 100% with swipe
off/corner
etc functions.

Oh really? Is the problem still there with Windows 8.0? As I have one
Wacom tablet that runs 8.0 and I haven't noticed it really. But I
usually don't fire that one up to often. Although I should use it far
more than I do now.

Also all of my Wacom tablets doesn't respond to touch, just pen (which
is great most of the time since you can rest your palm and fingers on
the screen). Does newer Wacom tablets respond to touch yet?

Also to note, those Motion Computing LE1700 are the only Windows tablets
with the largest screen size I know of. Careful as the large screen was
optional and so was the Core Duo! And the screen resolution is
1400x1050. If anybody knows of any tablet (Windows or other), I sure
would like to know about it. TIA

OP: Stopping a program does not remove it from memory.

SO as I understand the idea of conveniently closing a program and
freeing up the memory is another part of Windows 8.1 that is dead.

On 01/01/2014 11:39 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

OP: Stopping a program does not remove it from memory.

SO as I understand the idea of conveniently closing a program and
freeing up the memory is another part of Windows 8.1 that is dead.

I think he meant that stopping a SERVICE doesn't free up the memory. If
you 'end the task' of an application, it indeed closes and frees the
memory whether you are using Windows XP or 8.1.

--
Silver Slimer
Cheers to the dozens of satisfied GNU/Linux users!

In ,
Keith Nuttle typed:
OP: Stopping a program does not remove it from memory.

SO as I understand the idea of conveniently closing a program and
freeing up the memory is another part of Windows 8.1 that is dead.

Yes, but does that really matter if the machine is using virtual memory
anyway? As if real RAM runs low, the OS dumps things that it thinks
isn't going to be used soon and dumps it to a page file. I too don't
like the idea myself either, but I admit it really doesn't make much
difference anyway.

For example take the last Palm computer. The last one was known as the
Palm TX. In the specs, it reports 128MB of RAM. Which is huge for the
Palm OS. But the big lie is the real RAM is really 19.264MB in size and
the rest is really virtual RAM running on flash memory (aka SSD).

And almost all Palm Apps cannot be closed once they are ran. As they
stay open forever unless you reboot the device (which is rarely done
unless you have a compatibility problem). Then and only then is all apps
closed and the RAM and virtually memory are wiped clean. And most Palm
apps doesn't run in the background (some can) and the same is true of
Metro Apps as well.

And I don't see this as a real problem on the Palm OS nor on Windows 8.x
either. I am not sure why OS developers had chosen to have them work
that way, but it really doesn't cause any real problems either.

--
Bill
Motion Computing LE1700 Tablet ('09 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo L7400 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM
Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 SP2

On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 11:54:41 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote:

On 01/01/2014 11:39 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

OP: Stopping a program does not remove it from memory.

SO as I understand the idea of conveniently closing a program and
freeing up the memory is another part of Windows 8.1 that is dead.

I think he meant that stopping a SERVICE doesn't free up the memory. If
you 'end the task' of an application, it indeed closes and frees the
memory whether you are using Windows XP or 8.1.


I'm not sure what he meant, but let me make two points:

1. You can indeed stop (in the sense of stopping the use of) a program
without ending the task. For example, I have Excel running at this
moment, but I haven't done anything with it for the last hour or two.

2. If a program is running, but not being used, it continues to use
virtual memory. However it generally stops using real memory (RAM) and
gets paged out. Real memory is used by the most recently used
applications. So the performance cost of a program that uses only the
page file and not real memory is next to zero.

On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 09:58:53 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

On 1/1/2014 6:26 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 1/1/2014 5:59 AM, Bill wrote:
I also think that 8.1 needs to address the slight weirdness of
Wacom-based tablet screens which, here at least, don't work 100% with
swipe off/corner etc functions.

Oh really? Is the problem still there with Windows 8.0? As I have one
Wacom tablet that runs 8.0 and I haven't noticed it really. But I
usually don't fire that one up to often. Although I should use it far
more than I do now.

Also all of my Wacom tablets doesn't respond to touch, just pen (which
is great most of the time since you can rest your palm and fingers on
the screen). Does newer Wacom tablets respond to touch yet?

Also to note, those Motion Computing LE1700 are the only Windows tablets
with the largest screen size I know of. Careful as the large screen was
optional and so was the Core Duo! And the screen resolution is
1400x1050. If anybody knows of any tablet (Windows or other), I sure
would like to know about it. TIA

I'm not sure whether we are talking about the same things here.

What I have been playing with is a bunch of Lenovo X-series convertible
tablet laptops. I have these running 8.0, 8.1, 7, Linux Mint etc. I was,
amongst other things, trying to see if I could make one of these usable
for a surveyor who was asking about being able to take notes - a mixture
of drawings and text - in the field and then use them as a basis for a
document to be written up in the car or in the office.
Some of the screens have a glass-like cover with a small gap all round
between the screen and bezel. These are Wacom pen only and the pen tip
keeps catching on the edge of the screen.
The others have a screen covering that is seamless to the bezel, and these
are pen and one-finger touch. I am not convinced that the finger touch
goes right to the edge of the screen.

My son sold his Acer modern convertible tablet because he couldn't get
enough screen accuracy with finger and couldn't find a very pointed
stylus, and I have to say that I think these old X60 to X200T's are in
most ways more practical for creative work.

On 2014-01-01, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Keith Nuttle typed:
OP: Stopping a program does not remove it from memory.

SO as I understand the idea of conveniently closing a program and
freeing up the memory is another part of Windows 8.1 that is dead.

Yes, but does that really matter if the machine is using virtual memory
anyway? As if real RAM runs low, the OS dumps things that it thinks
isn't going to be used soon and dumps it to a page file. I too don't
like the idea myself either, but I admit it really doesn't make much
difference anyway.

For example take the last Palm computer. The last one was known as the
Palm TX. In the specs, it reports 128MB of RAM. Which is huge for the
Palm OS. But the big lie is the real RAM is really 19.264MB in size and
the rest is really virtual RAM running on flash memory (aka SSD).

And almost all Palm Apps cannot be closed once they are ran. As they
stay open forever unless you reboot the device (which is rarely done
unless you have a compatibility problem). Then and only then is all apps
closed and the RAM and virtually memory are wiped clean. And most Palm
apps doesn't run in the background (some can) and the same is true of
Metro Apps as well.

And I don't see this as a real problem on the Palm OS nor on Windows 8.x
either. I am not sure why OS developers had chosen to have them work
that way, but it really doesn't cause any real problems either.

Probably they're following the Apple method. Closing windows don't end
the program; must use the menu bar to "quit" the application. Don't
know how old the Apple method existed but most probably longer the
inability to change the system font type or size without degrading
the monitor's resolution.

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 11:54:41 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote:

On 01/01/2014 11:39 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

OP: Stopping a program does not remove it from memory.

SO as I understand the idea of conveniently closing a program and
freeing up the memory is another part of Windows 8.1 that is dead.

I think he meant that stopping a SERVICE doesn't free up the memory.
If you 'end the task' of an application, it indeed closes and frees
the memory whether you are using Windows XP or 8.1.


I'm not sure what he meant, but let me make two points:

1. You can indeed stop (in the sense of stopping the use of) a program
without ending the task. For example, I have Excel running at this
moment, but I haven't done anything with it for the last hour or two.

In such cases, the program is still running, though it may be inactive.
There are programs that will remain active, even if "unused" by the user,
and those types of programs will continue to use system resources.

2. If a program is running, but not being used, it continues to use
virtual memory. However it generally stops using real memory (RAM) and
gets paged out. Real memory is used by the most recently used
applications. So the performance cost of a program that uses only the
page file and not real memory is next to zero.

Windows has worked that way since, oh, version 2.1 or so. I don't recall
whether 1.0 used a page file, and although I have the 1.0 floppy around here
somewhere, I don't have a machine that will boot it to find out! ;-)
--
best regards,

Neil

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:05:03 -0500, "Neil Gould"
wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 11:54:41 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote:

On 01/01/2014 11:39 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

OP: Stopping a program does not remove it from memory.

SO as I understand the idea of conveniently closing a program and
freeing up the memory is another part of Windows 8.1 that is dead.

I think he meant that stopping a SERVICE doesn't free up the memory.
If you 'end the task' of an application, it indeed closes and frees
the memory whether you are using Windows XP or 8.1.


I'm not sure what he meant, but let me make two points:

1. You can indeed stop (in the sense of stopping the use of) a program
without ending the task. For example, I have Excel running at this
moment, but I haven't done anything with it for the last hour or two.

In such cases, the program is still running, though it may be inactive.
There are programs that will remain active, even if "unused" by the user,


Yes, that's what I said.


and those types of programs will continue to use system resources.


Yes, but very little.




2. If a program is running, but not being used, it continues to use
virtual memory. However it generally stops using real memory (RAM) and
gets paged out. Real memory is used by the most recently used
applications. So the performance cost of a program that uses only the
page file and not real memory is next to zero.

Windows has worked that way since, oh, version 2.1 or so.


Yes, I didn't say anything any different. The tone of your message
suggests that you are disagreeing, but you are essentially saying the
same thing I did.